Welcome back to A Read of Ice and Fire! Please join me as I read and react, for the very first time, to George R.R. Martin’s epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire.
Today’s entry is Part 24 of A Feast for Crows, in which we cover Chapter 33 (“Jaime”) and Chapter 34 (“Cat of the Canals”).
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And now, the post!
Chapter 33: Jaime
What Happens
Jaime meets with his cousin Daven Lannister, the new Warden of the West and commander of the forces besieging Riverrun. Daven greets him with cheerful coarseness, and they discuss the state of the siege. Daven is contemptuous of both the Freys and the river lords who have sworn sullen allegiance to them, including Lord Gawen Westerling, who fears for the fate of his daughter Jeyne, in the keep with Brynden Tully. He has especial contempt for Lord Emmon Frey, who has been promised Riverrun and constantly frets over the damage that might be done to it, and for Ser Ryman Frey, who threatens to hang Edmure Tully every day but has failed to ever do it. He confides that Roslin is carrying Edmure’s child, conceived in the midst of the Red Wedding, and Emmon is terrified that the child will be a boy and thus a challenge to his putative ownership of Riverrun.
Daven is shocked at the news of Lancel abandoning his wife to join the military orders, and assures Jaime he is not stupid enough to betray his eventual marriage vow to the Freys. He also mentions Ser Kevan’s coldness to him, even though Devan had sworn that he’d not wanted to be made Warden of the West. Devan tells Jaime that Ser Brynden is well-stocked for a lengthy siege, while the besiegers scrounge for sustenance, and regularly lose foragers to hangings in the woods. Daven concedes the latter might be Beric Dondarrion, but has suspicions that the river lords might still be “wolfish” at heart. Jaime hopes to treat with Brynden, and offer him good enough terms to get him to surrender peacefully, so that he will not have to violate his oath to Catelyn, but Daven is skeptical of his chances.
After Daven leaves, Jaime goes to find Ser Ilyn Payne for their nightly sparring. He thinks that Payne enjoys beating him up night after night. Jaime thinks he might be improving, but then Payne takes him down easily, and mockingly pretends to threaten to cut out Jaime’s tongue before walking off.
They arrive at Riverrun the next day, and Jaime is not impressed with what he sees of the besiegers, particularly Ryman Frey’s camp. He sees Edmure Tully standing on the gibbet with a noose around his neck as he apparently is every day, and feels pity for him. He notes that several river lords’ banners are conspicuously missing, and thinks that one way or another this siege must be ended quickly. Jaime has a message sent to Ser Brynden asking to speak to him at dawn on the drawbridge, and makes camp.
At his tent, he is soon joined by his aunt Lady Gemma Frey (nee Lannister) and her husband Emmon Frey, who is entirely dwarfed by his wife. Jaime confirms to her that Tyrion killed Tywin, and lies that her son Cleos died heroically. Gemma is impatient with her husband’s fretting over the potential damage to Riverrun, and Jaime no less so with his objections to being subject to Harrenhal once in place. Gemma kicks Emmon out, and remarks that Tywin wasn’t thinking to make him Lord of Riverrun. Jaime suggests it was more for her sons, but Gemma declares Riverrun “a poisoned prize” as long as any Tullys remain alive, and that Tywin should have given them Darry instead and given Riverrun to Kevan. He tells her about Lancel, and suggests she could go for Darry, but Gemma says Emmon is set on Riverrun now, and supposes Kevan can substitute his younger son Martyn in Lancel’s place.
She is incredulous at Cersei’s decision to allow the Faith to arm again, and explains to Jaime how much difficulty the Swords and Stars caused the monarchy before they were finally disarmed. He tells her of his plan to treat with Brynden, but she opines that terms require trust, and Brynden has no reason to trust either Jaime or the Freys, oathbreakers all. She advises Jaime to hang Edmure Tully and show Brynden his threats have teeth. She complains of Cersei’s bizarre promotion decisions, and is puzzled by Kevan’s refusal to become the Hand. Jaime knows Cersei thinks it is because Kevan knows about her and Jaime, but does not tell Gemma this.
Gemma reminisces about Tywin and how he overshadowed his brothers from childhood on. Jaime asks if she loved him, and Gemma tells him about how Tywin was the only one to object when she was married off to Emmon Frey. She says she loved him for that, even if she didn’t approve of everything he did, and asks who will protect them all now that Tywin is gone. Jaime points out that he left a son, meaning himself, and Gemma answers that that is what she fears the most.
That was a queer remark. “Why should you fear?”
“Jaime,” she said, tugging on his ear, “sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna’s breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there’s some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak… but Tyrion is Tywin’s son, not you. I said so once to your father’s face, and he would not speak to me for half a year. Men are such thundering great fools. Even the sort who come along once in a thousand years.”
Commentary
(a) Ouch, and (b) how completely true.
What’s great is how that is simultaneously both a compliment and an insult to both Jaime and Tyrion, depending on how you look at it. I’m betting, though, that Jaime’s not going to pay much attention to the complimentary aspect of it on his own behalf.
But that’s the way it works, generally; a thousand praises can be dwarfed by a single criticism. It would be cool if our brains weren’t masochistic like that, but there you are. Insecurity: the gift that keeps on giving!
So Lady Gemma is awesome and I totally want to go have drinks and shoot pool with her or something (possibly the first Lannister other than Tyrion I have felt that way about), but the rest of this chapter was boring as all hell, consisting of Jaime repeatedly telling other characters things we already knew, and also continuing to not-so-metaphorically beat himself up via the offices of Ilyn Payne, and also also continuing to be mentally pissy at Cersei, and blah blah blah spinning wheels yawn.
And yes, I understand that it was a set-up chapter, positioning Jaime for whatever (hopefully) big-ass confrontation that’s going to go down over Riverrun, but did I really have to slog through seven million pages of redundant talking to get there? Sheesh.
The only other thing I feel worth mentioning about this chapter was the revelation that Roslin apparently got pregnant while the Red Wedding was happening, which, holy shit. I’m sure there have been other children conceived under skeevier and more horrific circumstances, but right now I’m hard-pressed to think of what they could be. I would not be surprised if Edmure won’t be able to stand the sight of his own kid—assuming Edmure lives to see his own kid, of course, which isn’t looking too terribly likely at the moment. Ick.
Poor, poor man. Talk about being dealt a shit hand.
Chapter 34: Cat of the Canals
What Happens
Cat wakes in the attic room she shares with Brusco’s daughters, Brea and Talea, and goes with the family to the fishmarket, where Brusco purchases the oysters, clams and cockles the girls will be selling that day. Cat remembers her dream the night before of being a wolf, and tells herself she should not be dreaming dreams that belong to Arya Stark, but she can never get rid of them, and at least they are better than the dreams where she searches for her mother in the rain, crying, while a dog-headed monster keeps her away.
She thinks of how the kindly man had instructed her to learn three new things every time before she comes back to the temple each month at the dark of the moon to serve. She always does, and he asks who she is, and she replies “no one,” and he calls her a liar. She will be going that night, but for now she takes her wares to Ragman’s Harbor, where all the non-Braavosi ships must dock. Cat likes the noise and bustle, and trading insults and stories with the myriad folk there. She learns all kinds of things from the mummers and cut-purses and whores and sailors and so on.
She sells oysters to the crew of the Brazen Monkey and tells them where to find the best whores, who happen to be the ones who are kindest to Cat, and how she sold three cockles to a courtesan once. She asks them about the war in the Seven Kingdoms, and they laugh that there is no war, not in the Vale anyway. She discovers that Lady Lysa is dead, and tells herself Cat of the Canals doesn’t have an aunt, so she doesn’t care. At the end of the day she goes to Merry’s brothel, where she is angered to see the former Night’s Watch brother Dareon playing there. She wishes she had been there the night the fat one hit him, and thinks him “fair of face and foul of heart.” He leaves the brothel at the same time Cat does, and boasts of how he will soon be playing in the finest palaces. She asks if the fat brother ever found a ship to Oldtown, but Dareon indicates not. They step into an alley.
Cat returns to Brusco’s and gives him a pair of boots, then goes to the House of Black and White. She washes away all traces of Cat, and goes to work. The waif is teaching her about poisons, and slaps her when she chews her lip like Arya would. They practice her lie-detecting skills, and then the kindly man appears to ask her what she has learned. She tells him two things of little consequence, and then that someone slit Dareon the black singer’s throat. The kindly man asks who could have done this, and she answers “Arya of House Stark.” He asks who she is, and she says “no one.” He says she lies, and sends for warm milk “for our friend Arya, who has returned to us so unexpectedly.” Arya is surprised at this reaction, but drinks the milk and goes to bed.
That night she dreamed she was a wolf again, but it was different from the other dreams. In this dream she had no pack. She prowled alone, bounding over rooftops and padding silently beside the banks of a canal, stalking shadows through the fog.
When she woke the next morning, she was blind.
Commentary
Uh. What?
Dude.
Oh, hell no. That better be temporary, crazy death cult people! Do not be permanently maiming my Arya! Do not make me throw this book at the wall!
You know what, I’m not going to stress myself thinking about the blinding thing anymore until I get another Arya chapter. Rassa-frassin’ cliffhangers mutter.
I am aware, by the way, that Arya’s actions re: Dareon are… well, actually I’m not sure how to categorize this at all. Her claim of the murder under her identity as Arya Stark implies she thought she was carrying out justice for Dareon’s desertion of the Night Watch, which I guess is sort of justifiable if you squint. But the far more unsettling impression I got from this chapter is that Arya was just using that as an excuse, and she really killed him because, basically, she just didn’t like him.
And that’s… that’s not good.
I mean, obviously it’s not good, but what I mean is that it doesn’t bode well for Arya’s already rather shaky grasp of ethics re: not killing people just because they piss you off and/or look at you funny. I like the idea of Arya being able to defend herself; I do not like the idea of Arya turning into a full-fledged sociopath.
So, on that level, I probably could agree that there needed to be some kind of consequences for what she did. But (a) I think BLINDING her is a little extreme, and (b) I think the punishment is a little undermined for me when you consider that Arya’s probably not being punished for slitting a man’s throat, but for slitting it while being Arya Stark. Which adds its own little layer of fucked-upedness to this… er, cake of fuckery?
Look, layer cake, free association, shut up.
Anyway, it probably also says something that I instantly guessed Arya had killed Dareon the moment she gave the boots to Brusco. Girl is going down a seriously dark path, and I really wish she wouldn’t.
[Dareon:] “We all were. Lord Snow’s command. I told Sam, leave the old man, but the fat fool would not listen.”
What I find interesting is that Arya appears to have totally missed the reference to Jon here. Of course, as a bastard appellation “Snow” could mean anyone, but still, I was surprised that she didn’t even blink at it, considering she knows Jon went to the Wall. Or, am I completely in the wrong here and Arya doesn’t react to the name because she already knows about Jon’s promotion? Not sure.
The rest of this chapter is more of a slice o’ life atmospheric piece than anything else, but oddly was much more interesting to read than Jaime’s chapter even though almost as little happened in it. That does not, however, mean I was interested in trying to summarize all of it, so you’d be well-advised to read the chapter yourself if you want to get all the little details of A Day In The Life of Braavos.
I did like the bit about the courtesans, though, mainly because it reminded me that Braavos is like Venice in more ways than just the canals for streets. Back in the day (16th century-ish) Venice was famed for its courtesans too, who had the distinction at the time of being the most highly-educated women in Europe, in a time where most women weren’t considered worth educating at all. Just a little bit of history there for ya.
Also:
“The Black Pearl,” she told them. Merry claimed the Black Pearl was the most famous courtesan of all. “She’s descended from the dragons, that one,” the woman had told Cat. “The first Black Pearl was a pirate queen.”
*tilts head* Huh. Perhaps Martin is a Johnny Depp fan?
This is, actually, probably one of the few “title” POV chapters that hasn’t overtly annoyed me in one way or another. Whether that has to do with the fact that it also was one of the only ones (so far, anyway) to concern a character I actually care about is a pretty fair question, but whatever. I’ll like what I wanna!
A mate on the green galley wolfed half a dozen oysters and told her how his captain had been killed by the Lysene pirates who had tried to board them near the Stepstones. “That bastard Saan it was, with Old Mother’s Son and his big Valyrian. We got away, but just.”
I met a guy named Saan somewhere in here, didn’t I? He was friends with someone. Tyrion? Davos? I think it was Davos. So… there’s that. Which reminds me that I still don’t know if Davos is dead or not. I don’t think he is, but I’m pretty sure I don’t actually know yet.
And last and also probably least, one thing this chapter definitely did accomplish was to make me really want some good raw oysters. Oysters on the half-shell are the bomb, y’all. I know they’re kind of scary-looking if you’ve never tried them, but it is seriously worth it.
And fortunately for me and my oyster cravings, I live in New Orleans, so that’s a want easily solved. Aw, yeah.
And on that yummy note, we out! Have a week, and I’ll see you next Thursday!
Yes, Gemma Frey is pretty freaking cool. And I love watching how savvy and confident Arya becomes.
I worry for her a bit too, but I do believe her drive with Dareon is his betrayal of the Night’s Watch, not that she doesn’t like him. There are surely other people in Braavos she doesn’t like, but she doesn’t kill them. Her claiming her true name is the biggest indication, she is defiantly stating the truth, knowing they won’t like it, knowing it will get her in trouble. That’s not how a psychopath acts. They try to stay out of trouble. If she wanted to do that, all she had to do was make her third thing something that had nothing to do with Dareon’s murder.
Call back to the first chapter of AGOT – Stark executes deserter from the Night’s Watch. Could be as easy as that.
Dareon is a particularly loathesome sort – not that he deserted but the fact that he is partying up a storm while Aemon, Sam, Gilly and the baby are starving. He should have worked to get them ship fare and then enjoyed his life …but he didn’t. Jerk.
Re Arya, is the blindness punishment or did she pass on to another higher level in Faceless Man training? Only the Shadow knows….Love how she can’t stop herself from warging all the time. Hope hope hope she gets to Westeros for her reunion with Nymeria.
Re Jaime – I love his Aunt. Loved her take down of him (Jaime thought her condolences on his loss referred to his hand, when she intended Tywin. Ouch.)
Oysters: looks like snot, tastes like the ocean (in a good way). And you only need hot sauce if they’re not fresh – otherwise, it overwhelms the delicate flavor..
I actually rather enjoyed the Jaime chapter, because it showed him interacting with other Lannisters in a completely natural and not-at-all fucked up manner. He jokes with his cousin, and worries about getting his cheek pinched by his cool old aunt (who kisses his cheeks instead). She, in turn, reminisces about her brothers while being all business about the future. I agree it just recaps things we learned previously – I’ve long said that FFC/DWD needs to be edited heavily – but if I’d cut anything, it’d be the previous travelogue chapters rather than this one.
I interpreted Dareon’s murder slightly differently – I thought she did recognize his reference to Jon, but internalized her reactions because she’s now “Cat”. I thought murdering Dareon was partly for his insult to her brother. Aside from that, I agree with Leigh – this was murder, and not justice (which is actually a minority opinion amongst fandom).
The number of actually relatively decent nice Lannisters (when you include the extended family) seems to outnumber the cartoonishly evil ones. Though the effect of Cersei and Joffrey and Tywin (who is portrayed more sympathetically before Joanna died) seem to overshadow the others.
Salladhor Saan is a friend of Davos’ back from Davos’ smuggling days. He helped out Stannis early on (probably as a favor to Davos) especially in tw Battle of Blackwater. After Blackwater he picked up Davos from his little island and brought him back to Stannis.
Enjoy your oysters Leigh! Being from a landlocked land, I’ve never really learned to love them. Sometimes steamed ones are good however.
Arya / Cat: Really shows you GRRM’s background as a TV writer. But sometimes the whole ‘tune in next time for the conclusion of this dramatic cliffhanger’ mentality gets old.
Love Arya, but yes I saw her killing the deserter as a duty of a Stark, and a walk down the darker side.
Jamie: you said it all.
I love Arya’s chapters in Braavos, as I’ve said more than once, but I will be the first to acknowledge that they are…problemmatic… and only become more so as they go on.
I can’t help loving them, though. Such great world-building color, and the coolness that is Arya taking to the underworld and the life of the docks like a fish to water almost-but-not-quite obscures that there is something deeply sad and f’ed up about a precocious tween all gettin’ her assassinly murder face on.
Chapter 33: Leigh, I am so happy that you love Genna. She’s awesome, absolutely awesome. Daven is pretty cool, too, if not as awesome as Genna or Tyrion. We’ve now met quite a number of Lannisters that are likeable, if the Freys coninue to present us with terrible examples of humanity (other than the 2 that liked Robb, who Cat noted were not present for the Red Wedding).
Gemma and Daven make this chapter readable, because otherwise yeah, not much happened other than to set up for the next Jaime chapter.
Chapter 34: I love Arya chapters.
Arya killing Daeron was an indication of her own internal struggle. She wants to be a Faceless Man (Faceless Woman?) , but she still clings to her old identity on a subconscious level, perhaps reinforced by her warging abilities (her nighttime forays into Nymeria’s consciousness).
I still love Bravos, and all the flavor we get through the eyes of Sam and Arya. The Happy Port is awesome (for a whorehouse), I loved when in the Sam chapter the Summer Islander was playing a game and drinking, and I love that they treat
AryaCat so well.Daeron’s death at Arya’s hands illustrates her internal struggle so well.
Salador Saan was the pirate that was good friends with Davos, and was working for Stannis, [color=#ffffff”>but left him when it was clear that Stannis was losing.
Chapter 34 is tied with the Kingsmoot as my favorite ASOIAF chapter yet published. As
Molly MaloneCat of the Canals, Arya gets such a fascinating look at all levels of Braavosi society (residents and visitors alike) that I could read a whole book of her adventures. Only if I could procure mollusks to eat while reading, though. Clams, scallops, mussels…mmmm.And then she had to imperil this gig with an unauthorized murder. How inconsiderate to her readers! *shakes fist*
I actually like this and the next few Jaime chapters (up to the end of the book). Although, this is probably the least exciting of them. Obviously its a setup chapter to put Jaime in position at Riverrun and also get a lay of the land, but they certianly could’ve gotten there faster. Cut out anything Emmon Frey says and move on. I love Gemma’s quote concerning Jaime and Tyrion. You’re absolutely right. We would view that as a compliment. Congratulations Jaime, you are not a complete ass! But, he will see it for slight of not being Tywin’s son. Though, isn’t that exactly how Jaime had viewed himself previously. He’s never desired to rule, otherwise he’d be hand now. If he were to think about it on his own, I believe he would come to the same conclusion. But, of course, you do not want to hear it from someone else. Something about Jaime’s journey in A Feast for Crows is that he is learning he can no longer be a passive contributer in this world. Jaime is not personally ambitious that he needs to rule, or that he needs total domination. Therefore in court and in rule others get to play the lead and take charge. However, in this book Jaime is learning that whether he likes it or not, he is the most competent leader, one of the only competent leaders featured in this book, in fact. As a result he needs to start playing a more aggressive role. I love that dynamic and its something I can really relate to.
@MDNV
I am pretty sure that the point of Saan leaving Stannis in the dust is spoilers. It hasn’t happened yet.
WHOA, Lannisters who are smart, saneand fun to be around! Daven and Genna are as vocally opinionated as their relatives, but are probably capable of keeping their mouths shut when necessary. That can’t be said of, say, Tyrion or Cersei.
Did Tywin protest Genna’s marriage out of family loyalty, as she thinks, or aversion to being laughed at?
Chapter 33 is one of those chapters where nearly everyone, appearing or mentioned, is related to everyone else by blood or marriage. The Lannister and Frey family trees not only intertwine with each other at multiple points, they form a great tangled wreath with houses Darry, Crakehall, Redwynne, Paege, Marbrand, Westerling, Stark, and Tully. (Yes, I spend way too much time studying the genealogy appendices in AFFC)
I can just imagine Lancel: “Sorry Ami, we’re just too related to marry. My aunt married your uncle Emmon, their son married your aunt Jeyne Darry, their son might marry your aunt Roslin’s daughter someday, and two of your grandmother’s female relatives married two of my cousins, including Emmon’s second son. Also, I hear you might’ve had extramarital sex with your cousin Black Walder, which is an intolerably grievous sin, as I can…well…um…”*blush*
Also it’s interesting that in a Cat of the Canals chapter, we get only to see what Cat does. What Arya of House Stark does (killing Daeron) is not shown, it happens offscreen. I don’t know if that tells me something about Arya or GRRM style of narrative.
Along those lines of the Lannister family which we were initially led to believe were antagonists, they have a lot more detail and background than the Starks
Portrayed as generally sympathetic:
Kevan (reasonable and dutiful)
Lancel (wracked with guilt)
Grandpa Tytos (a little too nice)
Gerion (the joking side of the family)
Tommen (he is not a Baratheon)
Mycella
Kevan and Tywins’ wives
Gemma
Cleos (half lannister and a dutiful dolt)
Daven
Stafford (a huffy noble, not particularly evil)
Likable anti-heros:
Tyrion
Jaime
Tygett (?)
Evil:
Tywin (though he has his “greater good” defenders)
Cersei (she has a few sympathetic ears)
Joffrey (nope)
I think that we have to judge Arya by the standards of the book. In Medieval England, outlawry was quite literal: outlaws could (and were supposed to be) killed by any person at any time. Dareon was an outlaw, so Arya killing him is perfectly just by Westerosi mores.
For this reason, in part, I interpret the blindness as punishment for continuing to be Arya. That’s a good thing in my view. Arya remains committed to carrying out a personal level of justice (at least as best she knows how), while the FM are… more dubious. Better she use them than they her.
Re why Arya killed Dareon: I’ve always been unhappy with the idea that she did it as the “duty of a Stark”. Arya has never cared much about her duty, it seems to me. Rather, I see her reasoning here this way: Eddard taught her that the punishment for deserting the Night’s Watch is death; Dareon deserted, thus Dareon deserves to die, so she kills him. And if she does know who “Lord Snow” is — I don’t think we can say either way at this point, but given that she’s been hanging around the harbor with explicit orders to collect information, I’d honestly be a bit surprised if she didn’t — then there may be an element of retribution for his betraying Jon specifically.
Sometimes I love being wrong.
@6, don’t feel bad. I’ve lived the first half of my life in Louisiana, the second half in Florida, and I have never had any desire to eat an oyster.
Now crawfish–I can eat me some crawfish until I’m all out of crawfish. Which I currently am, obviously, or else I would be eating crawfish.
Yeah I see Arya’s confession to the KM as a sign of a conscience, and that she felt like she did what she had to do as Arya. I think in her mind(s) she did what she believed to be her duty as a Stark, and then when talking to the KM, did her duty as a FM-recruit by confessing, both to the killing and to being Arya while doing it. And by so confessing, asking for the appropriate punishment, whatever it may be.
It reminds me of Wesley Crusher stolidly admitting to crashing in to the flowers on the planet where all the hot people ran around half-naked. I can picture Arya gathering her resolve before confessing in much the same way.
@15, Exactly. To me, for all her disturbing behavior, Arya is remaining true to who and what she is. Sansa, who seems to be getting subsumed by her Alayne persona, is a more troubling case, IMO.
I agree about Arya – she’s definitely moving down a darker path but like @15 and others stated – morality in these times was a bit different. I do think she killed him more out of duty than just hate. Sure, him being an ass probably really sold her on the idea, but I honestly do get the sense that she was more insulted by his desertion of Sam and the NW than just the fact that he’s a tool. He did deserve his death (re: punishment) either way.
And yes the Jaime chapters get boring but Gramma Lannister was the best. And her statement about Tyrion being Tywin’s son pretty much sums up that whole bit. But I think the chapters like Jaime’s are why so many people find book 4 and 5 to be a drag. It doesn’t feel like a lot happpens. But considering these books are essentially the middle of what was originally envisioned as a trilogy, it should come as no surprise.
And god yea this chapter always makes me so hungry. I could really go for some seafood right now…
Very definitely, Aeryl. I interpret the death of Lady as metaphor: Sansa is giving up her plan of being a Lady. Arya, in (ahem) stark contrast, still has the wolf dreams and can’t (or won’t) give up her true core. I think this bodes better for Arya than many expect.
@3 – Noooo! I love the road trips. This thing dragged for me sitting around King’s Landing inside Cersie’s crazy head.
@20, I interpret it a bit differently, I see it as an act that separated her from her essential Stark nature. It was the moment she betrayed her family in favor of her own advancement as a Lady, and she lost that connection to her family as a result.
Which has now made her vulnerable to other influences that seek to further divorce her from her true self.
I had no problems with Arya killing Daeron. I looked at it as her Stark heritage…not at all inconsistent.
And there’s no reason for her to pick up on Snow. Snow is a common bastard name in the North. Bastards are often sent to the wall 9and more so in the North than elsewhere, I wouldn’t be surprised) so for all she knows the Night’s Watch could be full of Snows.
In fact, she has every reason to believe it is some other “Lord Snow”; she has no reason whatsoever to suspect that her half-brother could have risen so far and so fast that he is already giving orders…
And alas, I can’t stand seafood, so the mussels and oysters totally failed to warm the cockles of my heart.
~lakesidey
@22: Perfectly legitimate reading. It does make you wonder, then, to whom Ned’s words will apply: “When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.”
I do fear for Arya’s mental state. I hope she is learning her “art” from the FM cult, but I do hope she leaves it at some point.
I always thought she killed Dareon for desertion, and for abandoning Sam. As a Stark should. We don’t really find out if she picked up about Lord Snow the Commander, but I’m assuming this smart kid did. (It would’ve been nice to have had an “internal smile” from her though.)
Is the blindness punishment, or a new way to try to get rid of Arya Stark, mentally? Weird training tactics! I’m glad she’s holding onto Arya in her dreams with Nymeria. It gives me hope.
Loved Gemma. Wish I had some oysters! Eat a few for me, Leigh.
The fact that Arya was “being a Stark” when executing Dareon didn’t improve my feelings about it, but instead reminded me that the Starks aren’t always lovable. Ned didn’t make a good impression on me when he made his entrance when beheading a man for fleeing from ice demons, and I never really warmed to him.
I did want Dareon to get punished, but Arya didn’t have to do it. She did for the sake of the plot, but in “real life” she could’ve figured he’d eventually antagonize some bravo or other murderously-inclined neighbor.
Still want Arya to become a lady pirate, instead? Even after we’ve seen how pirates operate in this world?
Starks aren’t supposed to be lovable! They are cold, hard, brutal people. Winter is Coming and The North Remembers aren’t weather predictions or boasts about their cognition.
“Fleeing from ice demons” sounds like the worst possible excuse a man of the NW could give. For one thing, there’s no reason why Ned would have believed Gared. Nobody has seen the Others for 8000 years, and there’s no way to check on it. For another, the Wall and the NW exist for one reason only: to guard Westeros against the Others. Running away from Others is the very core of what the NW can NOT do.
And while there are issues about Arya choosing to kill a deserter, it’s hard to see any where Ned is concerned.
@28 – besides which, he didn’t just flee for his life – he abandoned his post. He went past the wall and kept running, instead of warning the rest of the Watch.
Fleeing from a superior enemy is perfectly acceptable; abandoning his brothers after he’s already reached safety is not.
I think this is the first time we’re starting to see the fallout from the Red Wedding as far as the Freys are concerned. The Tully bannermen are reluctant to help the family who murdered Holster’s daughter, and who can blame them. Every family in Westeros thinks that the Freys and Boltons are oathbreakers and murderers, why would you want them as your leige lord? It will be interesting to see how Emmon Frey thinks he’s going to be received at Riverrun. Holding it may be more trouble than it’s worth. Heck Ser Darry had a list of Freys he’d like to see dead, and he’s their ally! Prediction: That bridge will not be standing by the end of this series.
There’s something else. Gemma said that Tyrion was Tywin’s son, but is there an implication that Jamie is not? I know that there are some fan theories about this, (and they revolve around things that are said in later books so I don’t want to say them here), but is it possible that the twins are not Tywins? We know so very little about Lady Joanna.
I also think we’re seeing a different methodology from Jaime. I think the old Jaime would have stormed the castle right away and got a lot of people killed. New Jamie is willing to find a better way, and I think that can’t be understated.
I think this chapter fortells that Aria is not going to be completely successful in the House of Black and White because I don’t think she’s going to be able to ever truly put aside her need to revenge. I also had a thought about naming Arya Stark as the person who killed the deserter. After all, the very first think we saw her father do was to execute a Night’s Watch deserter
Yes, but all of that wasn’t on my mind the first time I read the first AGOT chapter, and initial feelings can have a way of sticking around.
I’ve always thought that Arya was blinded not simply because she killed Dareon, but because she fooled the kindly man into thinking she had become cat of the canals.
The reason she killed Dareon was because he deserted her brother.
@30:
In my opinion: Gemma was not saying (or implying) Jamie wasn’t Tywins DNA son. She was saying that Tyrion was the son that inherited Tywins’ sprit and abilities, i.e. smarts, ruthlessness, drive, and focus on the larger political picture.
Jamie was always more of the Golden Boy Jock. Because as much as we hear about Tywins’ skill as a commander and a leader, we do not hear about him being a fabulous fighter. Tyrion was able to play the political games that Jamie has shown a lack of interest in until now.
@17: yummy crawfish… I’ve visited NO often enough to develop a taste for them…
@23: Oh… I fear the seafood puns are just going to be swimming all over this post.
@33 Braid_Tug: Why do you fear that? Because Arya sent Daeron to sleep with the fishes?
@33 – yes, they stick in my craw as well.
@34, 35, et all:
Point, set, match.
Yeah, it’s fish or cut bait in this blog post.
@36 Okay, I admit it. I’m gillty of seafood puns. Stopping now, I won’t be so koi. Don’t carp on about it, though.
Folks fishing for cheap laughs- who would’ve thought it?
I’m curious how you say blinding is an extreme punishment for murder. I understand you’re trying to take it in the context of the world the novel is written in; however, I don’t think you always take other actions (punishments, gender relations, veiwpoints, etc…) in the context of this world. It seems that sometimes you try to hold these characters to a standard of our modern viewpoints (gender relations), yet sometimes not (Arya killing someone and saying blindness is a harsh reaction).
You keep referring to Jaime’s Aunt as Gemma Lannister-Frey. However, I think she is actually called Genna Lannister-Frey. At least that’s what it says in my edition.
Re: Genna and Emmon mourning Cleos: And not a word for Tion?
(roll over for possible spoilers) I think it is worth mentioning that this is the first time Arya wargs (dreamwargs at least) into a creature other than her direwolf Nymeria. She still thinks herself as a wolf, but it is clearly not a wolf what is “bounding over rooftops and padding silently beside the banks of a canal”, Bravos rooftops and canals, cue to the chapter’s title.
@42 You are right, It is also “Genna” on the current ebooks, 4-book Bundle by Bantam Spectra, Kindle edition, last updated a year ago with better resolution maps. It is also “Genna” on the appendices.
As a point of fact, I don’t think this is a “Title” chapter. Cat’s name is just a colorful sobriquet by dint of her being some lowborn orphan girl. The lowborn don’t often have family names; that affectation comes later.
Yes, its technically a title since its really Arya, but given the nature of FM training its more appropriate than not.
I am not so sure this chapter was just a set-up chapter. GRRM has a habit of hiding clues and covertly foreshadowing by writing a densely worded chapter with a lot of seemingly irrelevant or boring comments, which lull the reader into missing the cleverly hidden clues/foreshadowing. It’s a form of misdirection that he practices well. For example, you picked out a quote:
This might be one of those subtle foreshadowings, in which the comment turns out to be literally true (even if Jaime’s aunt does not know this herself). This is purely speculation on my part, and not a spoiler. So I am going to reread this chapter carefully to see what else I can find.
I didn’t have a problem with Dareon because he was a tool of the first order and I think she only did kill him because as a Stark it was her responsibility. I get the concern though.
This is also the chapter you may have noticed where we lose all track of Arya’s timeline. It sounds as though she only goes back to the temple on the 3 days of the month when you can’t see the moon, but reminisces on how many times she’s told the Kindly Old Man 3 things she learned while away. What the hell Martin? I know you don’t love timeline stuff but this is ambiguous in a huge way.
Speaking of misspellings, there is a minor one in the Arya chapter. In the middle of it, a Mummer is mentioned whose name is spelled “Allaquo.” At the end of the chapter, his name is spelled (twice) as “Alaquo” (when Arya is talking about him to the kindly man). The Appendix has it again spelled as “Allaquo.”
@hammerlock 44: I would say there are four types of chapters: “name” chapters (the majority), “title” chapters (like “The Soiled Knight”), “alternate name” chapters (like “Cat of the Canals”), and prologues/epilogues.
@DougL 46: The timeline I’ve seen dealt with that issue by supposing Arya goes out and learns things on each of the three days per month she is at the temple, thus allowing for considerably more than three new things per month. That’s not at all obvious from the text, but it doesn’t technically contradict it, and allows for an at least somewhat reasonable timeline, so I accept it.
“a thousand praises can be dwarfed by a single criticism” – still sniggering.
I think in this case, despite a thousand praises, Jaime got criticised with a single dwarfism…
I also think we’re seeing a different methodology from Jaime.
In addition to that, we’re seeing something REALLY different from Jaime. For all his moaning about oaths and how hard it is to keep them when they conflict, here we see him finally attempt to reconcile those conflicting oaths. To protect the King, he has to establish peace. To establish peace he has to take Riverrun. But to take Riverrun, he fears he will have to break his oath to a dead woman, and is taking strides to not break that oath.
Progress.
The mechanic said I blew a seal.
I told him to leave my personal life out of it and fix my car.
Ba-dump! Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
I didn’t see Arya’s blinding as a punishment at all. More of a “I can see we’re going to have to resort to stronger methods of helping you to become No One.”
Chapter 33:Jaime– jaime, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Riverrun Castle and Environs.
Ser Daven, violer d’barbas, fr’over the western ward, had passencore rearrived after the rossomatrimonio on this side the scraggy
strip of Westros Minor to wielderfight this riverbound siege: nor had ryman’s rocks by the stream Tumblestone exaggerated themselse
to Frey County’s gorgios while they went doublin their mumper all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to tauftauf fishblack: not yet, though suspectsoon after, the bandits and the unbland cat willare make themself heard aft past this infodump of the Auntaunt though corpusculy defamed in nonspite thought does Jaime ride twixt the humptyhillhead and brings us unredeemedly back to Tyrion that most oftsought visage.
I’m surprised anyone sees it as punishment, I read it as a test that Arya passed.
However, I am not sure how it actually happened:
a) did The Kindly Man think that she was lying about Arya killing Dareon and he thought she learned to lie well, because he couldn’t detect the lie in her behavior (which was because she wasn’t lying)
or
b) by not lying about becoming Arya Stark for the purpose of murder, she proved… I don’t know what, that she learned what changing identities meant or something?
@53 is it Lewis Carroll’s birthday or something?
Isn’t it the Warden of the North’s duty to execute NW deserters? If so, then Arya is doing a favor for her old employer Roose Bolton as well. I agree with the thought that she is doing it mainly for Jon though. She knows he is the LC, there was some comment in her last chapter about talk of the “black bastard of the wall.”
One of the aspects I find interesting about Jaime’s chapter is that I find that there is foreshadowing being done regarding GRRM showing us the extended Lannister people. Some are, for the most part, decent individuals, but so were the Starks when most of them were introduced in the first book. It almost seems to me that GRRM is revealing this as a means of showcasing what the house stands to lose because of the desicions of others. Should Cersei’s choices catch up to her House Lannister and all its members fall hard. Does this mean that the casualty rate amongst the Lannisters is about to increase?
The poisons that the Waif shows to Arya seemingly have a lot a to do with the story as well. The Tears of Lys because it was used to kill Jon Arryn and most likely Joffrey, and it was also used by Cressen in his attempt to kill Melisandre. The other two have the significance if one remembers things concerning both Arya’s and Sansa’s stories.
Highlight to see what I mean: Both poisons are something that both Stark sisters have encountered before. Sansa has heard Littefinger instructing the reluctant Maester to give Sweetsleep to Rober Arryn, and Arya probably remembers a time when the faceless man in Harrenhal mysteriosly turned Weese’s pet dog mad enough to tear out his owners own throat.
Tabbyfl55@55:Jamie’s journey and arrival at Riverrun got me channeling a bit of Finnegans Wake.
@57 The Tears of Lys was used to kill Jon Arryn, as Lysa ranted in her confession. But the poison that Cressen used to attempt killing Mellisandre (and killing himself in the process) was called The Strangler, which seems to match the poison used on Joffrey, not the Tears of Lys.
You are right, I am wrong on that account.
Chapter 34 — Cat Arya:I read this through last night and so am reacting from behind rather than during. First, I don’t particularly approve of Arya being blind. It doesn’t feel right for the story that she will be permanently blinded, so I’ll assume the poison will wear off or there will be an antidote at some point because otherwise, grr.Second, the “Kindly Man” is definitely not so kindly. He’s trying to essentially break Arya into multiple personalities. Now, maybe that is what is needed to become a Faceless assassin, but, still. It is cool and perhaps ultimately life saving that Arya’s link to Nymeria through the wolf dreams seems to be giving her some sort of anchor upon her complete personality. Hopefully that won’t become completely untethered. Her final dream without a pack was much more like a cat than a wolf, but the wolf was still there. Arya’s killing of Dareon suprised me with the nonchalantness of the affair. Happening off screen and then dropping of the boots was rather more chilling (I thought) than a view of the bloody affair itself. In the interview with the Kindly Man, Arya seemed much more concerned over whether he could tell if she was lying than anything else. It is interesting that as she was coming back to the temple, she was thinking of herself as Arya rather than cat. I wonder what the morrow will bring for Arya and how she will be serving while blind. I also wonder what Sam has been up to as it seems some time has passed since we last saw him.
And, yes I also have a powerful desire for some good shellfish.
@61 – don’t be shelfish, man – share what you get.
I should note that some espouse the theory that Arya didn’t kill Dareon at all. That she stole his boots, told him to leave Braavos on pain of death, and then lied to the Kindly Man about what she had done. I don’t buy this theory, but it’s out there.
@62 No way. Arya told the Kindly Man that “Arya of House Stark” killed Dareon. There’s no reason for her to lie, or to believe the Kindly man would take the bait if she did.
“And yes, I understand that it was a set-up chapter, positioning Jaime for whatever (hopefully) big-ass confrontation that’s going to go down over Riverrun, but did I really have to slog through seven million pages of redundant talking to get there? Sheesh.
I feel your pain.
@52 Kip Addotta FTW! All the best fishypuns in one song.
Maybe the KM blinded Arya just for the halibut.
@65 – “Maybe the KM blinded Arya just for the halibut.”
It probably shouldn’t have, but I found this one very funny! Thank you for that.
I also figured Arya killed Daeron as part of her ‘Stark-ness’ – doesn’t mean I don’t find it a bit disturbing though.
As for the blindness, I saw it as discipline/harder training to immerse her further in the ways of the Faceless (Wo)men and abandon her identity. Some of the other theories have been interesting too.
Hey Leigh. Just wanted to say that I started reading ASOIAF a couple of months ago, a few weeks after the fourth season of Game of Thrones ended. I’ve fond your blog to be super helpful along the way. I’ve finally caught up with you, and am a little scared to take off the training wheels and read things you haven’t, but I’ll definitely be eagerly awaiting Thursdays. Thanks for writing!
Number 2 on the list might have to be Robert with a nameless bridesmaid on the marital bed during his brother’s wedding (though I can’t remember if he actually got her pregnant).
@69 – He did. Edric Storm was the result.
@70&69: Thus Edric was one the noble bastards Robert acknowledged, even though it pissed off Cersei. I think the mother’s family was powerful enough to get that concession.
In this story, Lollys’s son would be second on the list for me.
@72 – Yeah, Lollys definitely.
And depending on whether the theory is true, //Jon could very well have been conceived while his grandfather and uncle were being burned alive. But Rhaegar is an honorable man.//
@72 AeronaGreenjoy
Yep, Lollys wins, but this is pretty darned bad. Still, any rape baby will be worse, but this is pretty horrible. Just different kinds of badness.
@69 onwards
Lollys’s son, definitely. Also Daenerys – conceived from marital rape when her father got excited from burning people alive, with Kingsguards listening to her mother’s cries from outside the door and not doing anything to stop it because he was the king.
Maybe we should distinguish between rape-induced squick and the non-rape squick?
Sweet merciful crap I can’t believe the things I type in these discussions.
@76: That’s not a statement I should laugh at, but yeah…
Imagine if we took some of the quotes out of context? ouch!
@22: That doesn’t work at all, since Sansa hasn’t lost the connection to her family or the North – quite the opposite. Since Ned’s beheading, she has thought about her family in every chapter and has been trying to go home (even after that home got burned down by the Boltons). She’s the one who dreamed about the happy days back in Winterfell with her family and the one who built Winterfell out of snow. “I am stronger within the walls of Winterfell”. She wasn’t open to the Lannister influence at all; when she was ‘friends’ with the Tyrells and hoping to marry Willas and get away from King’s Landing, she was fantasizing about giving her children the names Ned, Bran and Rickon (her family members she believed to be dead). In the Fingers, she wished that the old blind dog she bonded with was Lady. Her connection to the North only grows stronger as a theme, even more so as Littlefinger is trying to make her into something from his own fantasy. She has to pretend to be his daughter, but she’s thinking to herself “I am not your daughter, I am the daughter of Eddard Stark of Winterfell”. Alayne is a persona she has adopted to survive, but her internal monologue shows that she’s still very much Sansa and very much connected to the North.
And then there is more, but it’s spoilery for Leigh and I have no idea how to hide spoilers here.
@69 etc.: The conception of a certain bastard who is incredibly skeevy (what an understament) himself (as is his father) comes to mind. But I don’t know how to white out spoilers.
@78, 79
Take the black! That’s what we call it when you register for an accunt with Tor.com. It allows you to go back and edit comments.
If you don’t want to do that, the trick is to preview the comment first, THEN white out the text using the format bar across the top of the comment box.
In re your # 78,
Alayne is a persona she has adopted to survive, but her internal
monologue shows that she’s still very much Sansa and very much connected to the North.
I disagree with this obviously, but it would be spoilers to explain.
But, yes, her identity is still very tied to the idea of BEING Sansa Stark, but the person she is becoming is a very different person than Sansa Stark. She may keep the name, wear the colors, and remember her family fondly, but she’s a different person.
I recall back to the ways in which Catelyn observed she had changed(this has become a theme in the show now that Sansa is at the Eyrie) from the happy Southron girl, to the more reserved Northern one, and that was by getting into a situation she voluntarily entered into, without the trauma and abuse Sansa has had to endure. To think that Sansa won’t come away from her situation vastly changed from the person she was who bonded with Lady, is to miss the point of the books, IMO.
”
But, yes, her identity is still very tied to the idea of BEING Sansa
Stark, but the person she is becoming is a very different person than
Sansa Stark. She may keep the name, wear the colors, and remember her
family fondly, but she’s a different person.”
No, the person she is becoming is a more grown up Sansa Stark, a Sansa Stark who has been through a lot, learned to survive, and is now using her current “identity” as a bastard in the Eyrie to express some of the things she wasn’t able to express when she was a highborn hostage in KL (and now I would use some quotes that drive that home, but they would be spoilers).
“To think that Sansa won’t come away from her situation vastly changed from the person she was who bonded with Lady, is to miss the point of the books, IMO.”
Sansa has already come away from all her situations vastly changed from the girl we first met. As has Arya. As have most of the characters. (Doubly so for the kids, who were bound to change through the very fact they are growing up and, in Sansa’s case for sure, going through the puberty, which changes everyone; add an incredible amount of trauma and adversity, and of course you will get big changes.) To think that Sansa and all those other characters have not ALREADY changed, is to miss the point of the books, IMO.
But, to think that all those changes mean that Sansa, or Arya, or Bran or Dany or Tyrion or Jaime or whoever, have “lost” their identity, and that a more mature, disillusioned Sansa has somehow lost her “Starkness” (whatever that is) or her connection to her family and her home, is also to miss the point of the books, IMO.
And BTW, if there is anything that can be considered traditionally “Stark-like”, it’s surviving through adversity. Their words are “Winter is coming” (rather than, say, the Arryn “High as honor” or Tully “Family, duty, honor” etc.). The Stark kids have shown themselves to be exceptional survivors, particularly the girls, since they haven’t had constant companions as Bran and Rickon have.
Oh, um…Aeryl…taking the black may help you review a word in your post at #80…
@83, You will have to be more specific, because I have reviewed my comment and there isn’t anything spoiler there.
And I have already got a Tor.com account, so I don’t know what you mean.
@Aeryl I think they are referring to a slightly embarrassing spelling error in your first paragraph…
@84: He could also be looking at the mobile site. It always confuses me when I read the posts from my phone. Because all the “Black” posters are red when seen on my phone’s internet.
“account” is spelled wrong in a bad way. Normally I’m not one to see misspellings, but that one hit me.
I saw that, and decided to keep, since it was a genuine mistake that still made my point, even though I edited that comment like three times.
Understood, Aeryl. I should have been more specific. I suppose that word (or partial word) leapt out at me because, after reading GRRM, I am conditioned to expect the word ‘camel’ before it!
Wow, I went back several times and looked at that post, and specifically the first paragraph, and still never saw the spelling error until braid said it was “account”.
But I don’t think that necessarily says anything specific about me. People miss spelling errors all the time.
Among the courtesans: one who is know as “Moon Shadow” and who wears only silver and white . . . is that you, Lanfear?
Has anyone counted all the WOT shout-outs in ASOIAF? I can think of at least two others which are more obvious. Surely someone has pointed out this one (the courtesan) before – or does everyone think I’m just wrong?
@90 – if limited to courtesans, no. Re the full text
– Trebor Jordayne of the Tor, with a quill at the House sigil (triple shout out to RJ, his occupation and publisher).
– His heir Myria (one of RJ’s assistants)
– Archmeister Rigney and his time as a wheel theory (RJ)
Not sure of others….
Gemma’s cool character. Wonder whether we’ll listen to her witicisms again.
Arya thought she knew 30 new things, so maybe she didn’t pay attention at that time ’cause she was thinking about killing the due?
Also wonder whether she’ll meet Sam again.