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Published on January 26, 2015

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The Star Wars films aren’t exactly complicated fare, particularly the original trilogy. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.) Luke Skywalker’s journey is pretty cut and dry, a solid line from farmboy to superbad in several short years. The Empire falls, the Rebels win, everyone is back on Endor in time for stormtrooper stew.

But how do you topple a galactic Empire, really? How do you get a boy who’s never known a life outside the sticks to become a galactic savior in the same amount of time that it usually takes to earn a bachelor’s degree?

The plan is likely less perfect than it appears.

At the end of Episode III, there are two new babies who are down two viable parents—mom’s died of a broken heart (or something) and dad has become a tyrannical right hand to the galaxy’s freshly minted dictator. They need homes but, more importantly, they need to be kept safe from interfering influence. Most of the Jedi have been wiped out, and resistance to the Empire is a bad bet when it’s on its way in; Palpatine has too many resources, he planned his takeover too carefully.

Yoda and Obi-Wan knew all this coming out of the Clone Wars. They knew that even with the handful of Jedi who survived the Purge at their disposal, they had no chance of taking on the new regime. It was better to let Palpatine get comfortable, to hide away and await a better opening. And considering the power that both Vader and the Emperor could claim mastery over, using Anakin’s kids were a good bet; after all, their dad was literally conceived out of raw Force trail mix and some of Shmi Skywalker’s genetics. They were bound to have similar power at their disposal, the better to knock off dear old dad with.

Here’s the problem with children—they grow up to be fully realized human beings. The Jedi knew what they were doing, taking infants from their parents to indoctrinate them into the old Order. Initiating kids before they could talk, becoming their true family, resulted in “better” Jedi. (Translation: Jedi who do as they’re told by the Jedi Council and their mentors.) But Anakin’s children were better off being raised out of contact with Jedi. That way, if someone managed to locate Yoda or Obi-Wan, the Only Hopes of the galaxy remained safe and secret.

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There was a recent theory that Luke was intended as “bait” for Vader on Tatooine, which was meant to explain why his last name wasn’t changed… but that’s hard to buy for more than one reason. First off, it is highly unlikely that Luke is the only Skywalker in the galaxy. Looking at his buddy Biggs Darklighter, we can even see that Luke’s surname conforms to naming conventions for Tatooinian families. (In the Legends canon, there’s actually a character named Cole Fardreamer, which was a little too on-the-nose for my tastes.) In addition, the chances of Vader ever stopping back on Tatooine were always remote. The Empire had no vested interest in the Outer Rim beyond using it for resources and trade routes. Palpatine’s Empire was intended to usurp the core of the galaxy, where the Old Republic held sway. It’s practically certain that the pursuit of Tantive IV to recover the Death Star plans resulted in Vader’s first visit to Tatooine since Episode II.

Moreover, it assumes that Obi-Wan and Yoda wouldn’t have gleaned the obvious from Anakin’s downfall—that Vader would rather know his children and connect with them following Padmé’s death. Vader’s first words to the Emperor on the existence of Luke have him instantly making the suggestion to turn the kid to the Dark Side. Vader never had any real intention of killing his son, especially not if they could usurp Palpatine together. (This is a more explicit suggestion if you take the novelization of Episode III into account; when Anakin awakes as Vader and finds out about Padmé’s passing, he lashes out with the intention of killing the Emperor, but finds his strength in the Force to be a fraction of what it once was. Vader has been biding his time at Palpatine’s side from the beginning. The man promised to help him save the love of his life and she died, after all.)

So Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that the most important thing was to prevent Vader from knowing about his kids until they were strong-willed adults. Leia was pretty well protected, on account of having an entirely new identity. Luke was pretty well protected because it’s not like the Empire was asking for lists of citizens on worlds where they had the barest presence to begin with. And even if they did, Owen and Beru Lars could have easily bypassed that census every time a couple stormtroopers stopped by the homestead.

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But Luke having the same last name as his father was bound to bring up a few flags once he started committing heroic acts on behalf of the Rebel Alliance. Which means that keeping the Skywalker surname? It was likely an intentional move. And that makes sense, if you think about it: the galaxy, by and large, is not aware that Lord Vader used to be Clone War hero Anakin Skywalker, but Anakin’s exploits in the War were likely broadcast all over the galaxy via the Holonet and other sources. The previous generation would remember Anakin as someone who worked hard to bring the Clone Wars to an end, a Jedi who likely met his demise after Order 66 came down. Two decades later, up pops a kid with the same last name who is doing great work for the Alliance, helping to overthrow the Empire. Even if galactic denizens don’t remember Anakin precisely, the name “Skywalker” already has positive connotations. It’s a boon to the Rebel cause.

Vader being aware of Luke’s presence is also, ultimately, a benefit to the Rebels. Once he realizes that the kid who blew up the Death Star is likely his son, he devotes an unnecessary amount of time to getting his hands on him when he really should be spending it snuffing out the Rebel threat once and for all. If he and the Emperor had simply let Luke go, they would have actually had a better shot at bringing down their dissenters. But that Skywalker allure has a surprising amount of power.

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So now we know why Luke and Leia were likely placed on Tatooine and Alderaan respectively. But fans classically have a pretty big beef to pick with Obi-Wan Kenobi on his “certain point of view” rewrite of history, where Luke is concerned. And sure, it sucks when trusted mentors lie to us. But from Obi-Wan and Yoda’s perspective, there were no other viable options. If that kid was going to grow up without a Jedi Temple, without a master, then he had to be indoctrinated to the fold fast and hard, with no inkling of doubt. The message couldn’t be wishy-washy, they didn’t have time to account for Luke’s feelings—he had to steer it straight from the start. And that’s exactly what Obi-Wan works toward.

It’s not just hiding Vader’s status as Luke’s dad—Obi-Wan lies or omits or slants the truth on everything. He knows that Owen has been fiercely protective of Luke, that the boy knows nothing about the Jedi or his heritage. So he makes a grand entrance, saves Luke’s life, and invites him over for tea. (It is entirely possible that he has been biding his time for a moment exactly like this one, where he could swoop in and save the kid, so he’s immediately trusted.) While Luke fixes up his protocol droid, Obi-Wan has to be the bearer of bad news: his uncle is a liar. He doesn’t make a big deal about it, he just dangles a string in front of Luke. An “I knew your father for real, and I’ll tell you about him” string. And then he mentions that he and Luke’s dad belonged to this super cool club of peace guardians back in the day called Jedi. Suddenly, Luke’s boring old navigator-on-a-spice-freighter dad was a warrior, and one of the best pilots in the entire galaxy—oh, and Obi-Wan has heard that Luke leans in a similar direction. Fancy that.

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While he’s at it, he should probably give Luke his dad’s rad laser sword! The one that his uncle (the liar) didn’t want Luke to have—he was too worried that the kid might want to follow Obi-Wan (aforementioned awesome justice-and-peace-keeper) to do something idealistic and great… just like Luke’s dad did back in the day.

We can all see what Obi-Wan’s doing at this point, right? Hi, I’m a mysterious old man with mystical powers who used to fight for the Right with your pops in olden times. By the way, your uncle sucks.

But Luke, for all his whining about power converters, is a good kid. He’s not going to two-step off and leave the only family he’s ever known without their blessing. Obi-Wan doesn’t push it at this point—he’s too good for that. Instead, he waits for another opening, and it shows up in short order. They find the Jawa Sandcrawler, the lot of them slaughtered by stormtroopers. Luke puts two and two together and realizes that they’re probably headed to his home. Obi-Wan calls out to him as Luke bolts for his landspeeder: “Wait, Luke! It’s too dangerous!” He has about all the gusto of a gaffi stick. He’s not really trying to stop Luke from going at all because he knows that what the kid is about to see will do all his work for him.

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It does. When Luke returns from the sight of the burned corpses of his aunt and uncle, Obi-Wan doesn’t even have to pitch the journey again. Luke is on board, with all of it. (Don’t forget, before all this Luke was thinking of joining the Imperial Academy. He was ready to join the Empire if it meant a ticket off of Tatooine.) He wants to help this Rebel princess, he wants the Jedi training, the danger, the excitement, a galaxy’s worth of possibilities. Screw the Empire, they killed his family.

By the time they get to the Death Star, Luke adores the old guy. He’s a mentor, a friend, he’s snarky to pirating scoundrels like Han Solo. “Ben is a great man,” he snaps at the smuggler after Solo gives him a hard time about following Obi-Wan’s orders to the dotted ‘i’s. Based on what, Luke? What he told you? The five minor things he’s taught you on this journey? His winning smile and modest fashion choices?

Obi-Wan knows that Vader’s going to sense his presence on the Death Star, and he had to always figure it was a possibility that he and his old apprentice would cross lightsabers again. He knows he won’t win this time. But he’s sure to reposition the fight directly in front of the Falcon, and once Luke emerges… he just smiles to himself. As Vader cuts him down, he’s probably thinking, Big mistake, buddy. Now I’m a martyr.

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We know that he has the ability to project his entire person to Luke as a handy spirit guide, but for the first few years there, he only appears in bits and pieces. He’s a voice in the kid’s head, a spectre who prompts him to visit the Dagobah system. He doesn’t show more often than he has to because that’s a more effective form of manipulation. If he can have ghost chats with Luke every Sunday, some of the magic will wear off. But if he only appears occasionally—preferably when Luke has a major decision to make—then his words will always be heeded.

Luke’s next mentor is Yoda, and though he gives the kid a rough time, I’m not so certain that he’s as disappointed with Anakin’s son as he pretends to be. If anything, he works by chastising Luke for Anakin’s failings preemptively, attempting to discourage another fall to the Dark Side. He tells Luke that he’s reckless, impatient, that he cares too much, that he focuses too much on the future. Every single one of these complaints describes Anakin Skywalker to a tee. Luke has some of these problems at the most mild level, but he’s nowhere near pops. Even with that in mind, Luke receives none of the coddling that Jedi Temple initiates were granted. Yoda is hard on him because he doesn’t have time to let the lessons sink in. He’s running a boot camp for one. Luke doesn’t have to be a perfect Jedi—he has to be a proficient one.

A perfect example of this system comes when Luke is preparing to leave Dagobah and rescue his friends on Cloud City. At this point, Obi-Wan abandons his mystique and shows up as a fully-formed sparkle apparition (and sure, the Force is super strong on Dagobah, so that probably helps, but I’m still not giving him a free pass) and agrees with Yoda’s assessment of the situation, knowing that his comments will carry more weight because Luke cared very personally for him. But it’s hard to believe that they are so vehemently against Luke going to rescue Leia—she’s their next best hope if Luke fails. So why tell Luke that he shouldn’t go?

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Because Yoda and Obi-Wan have always known that the instant Luke comes face to face with Vader, the truth of his parentage is out. That is what they’ve been desperate to prevent.

It’s important for Luke’s journey that he not feel an emotional, familial attachment to Vader, as far as his mentors are concerned. Emotional attachment was a huge component to Anakin’s fall, and if Luke is similarly situated, he could be even worse than his father. So when Yoda tells Luke not to rush into the trap Vader has set for him, he again reinforces Luke’s failings, his hubris. He tells Luke “Remember your failure at the cave,” talking of the cavern where Luke fought an apparition of Vader only to find himself beneath the mask. It’s an odd chastisement because, to any shrewd onlooker, it should be clear that it’s not possible to “fail” in the cave. The cave is not a test with a Pass/Fail marker, it’s a place where the sheer concentration of Force energy brings inner demons and truths to the forefront. (We see further evidence of this during Yoda’s first trip to the cave in the Clone Wars television series.) The fight Luke has in that place forces him to confront a powerful fear—that he will turn to the Dark Side and become another Vader. Yet Yoda is framing this encounter as a failure on his part.

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“If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone,” Obi-Wan tells Luke. “I cannot interfere.” Yeah, ’cause he thought you were gonna possess his body and guide the lightsaber for him, bro. Thanks for your help.

At this point, Luke has so many voices in his ear insisting that he’s close to losing, it’s no wonder that his reaction to Vader’s big reveal is to turn tail and run as fast as he can. Yoda says it himself before dying: “Unfortunate that you rushed to face him. That incomplete was your training. That not ready for the burden were you.” That was what he and Obi-Wan had been working to prevent all along—the burden of knowledge that would turn Luke’s quest of revenge against the man who “betrayed and murdered” his father into a personal journey of acceptance and love… that could far more easily get him killed or see him heading off to Sith Night School. Luke wasn’t meant to develop this way. He was meant to be a Force-trained hit man. Get in, kill Vader and Palpatine, get out. Learn the truth some other time. It is only after Luke has managed to find out the truth anyway that Obi-Wan admits to fibbing his way through the history portion of their lessons. And even then, he insists that Vader is pure evil. Fact is, he can’t possibly know that for sure… but he needs Luke to believe it, so he’ll do the job they trained him for.

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I’ll go out on a limb and suggest the meanest possibility of all; it’s entirely probable that Obi-Wan and Yoda never believed that Luke would survive his destiny. That he might die doing the job, or only complete half of it, leaving Leia there to pick up where he left off.

And yet it is all the aspects of Luke that his teachers frame as failure that ultimately lead to the success of their plan. Luke refuses to take emotion out of the equation, and as a result, he draws out what tenderness is left in Vader. And his “mistake” at the cave on Dagobah ends up being the exact lesson he required to prevent his own fall; at the end of their duel on the second Death Star, as he looks on Vader’s severed mechanical hand and then considers his own, he realizes that going down this path will lead to the future he feared, to a repeat of Anakin’s tragedy. If he hadn’t reacted exactly as he did in the cave on Dagobah, he might never have learned that vital lesson.

The rhetoric that Obi-Wan and Yoda created for Luke was designed to frighten him into success. It was a tactic they felt was necessary because they’d both made the mistake of trusting Anakin, of being blind to his faults. But rather than treating Luke as his own person, they assumed he was destined to take on all the flaws of his father. What they never quite understood was that Anakin’s fall was not a clinical error that could be corrected by a human-being-turned-Force-wielding-scalpel. It was a tragedy of neglect that could only be addressed with a form of love that outstripped Anakin’s more destructive brand.

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But knowing all this does make sense of Obi-Wan’s desire to tell stories from “a certain point of view.” Lying wasn’t a quirk, it was a calculated effort to make Luke Skywalker into a tool for a long-dead Order. These actions still ultimately led to victory, but it’s intriguing to think what sort of tale might have emerged had both masters deigned to tell their pupil the whole story.


Emmet Asher-Perrin still loves that old fossil. You can bug her on Twitter and Tumblr. Read more of her work here and elsewhere.

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Paul Weimer
10 years ago

It’s a rather coherent theory you have here. It makes sense.

Of course, its the ex post facto sort of theory.I can’t imagine Lucas *imagined* it in this way at all.

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10 years ago

One of the major failings of the new trilogy was having Obi-wan be present at the birth of the Skywalker twins. As we know from Episode V, Obi-wan is surprised that Luke has a sister when he learns this from Yoda.

I can only conclude that George Lucas has never seen Star Wars.

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Theo16
10 years ago

I think Obi-Wan might have been a little nuts after all that time. Thinking the ends justified the means, he actually killed the jawas himself (blaming some mythical “precise” stormtroopers) and shot force lightning to roast Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.

Or at the very least, his advice to Luke is somewhat suspect:

Luke: How am I going to explain this to my uncle?
Obi-Wan: Learn about the force, Luke. (so you can Jedi Mind Trick him into letting you go?)

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10 years ago

A nice, thoughtful article, but it kind of amazes me the amount of analysis directed towards a story, despite Lucas’ certain point of view, was made up as they went along. Putting aside the little incestuous kisses, they’re lucky the original trilogy turned out as well as it did, and that fans are willing to spend hours of study to make all the pieces fit.

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10 years ago

I suppose if it hadn’t been for the incredibly well timed murders of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, then Obi Wan could have let slip to Vader where Luke was, and taken the “Quick! He knows where you are, we must flee!” line.

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Ragnarredbeard
10 years ago

If Luke was 12, Obi-Wan’s tactics take on an entirely different character.

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BirdonaBird
10 years ago

It certainly follows the pattern of the “reluctant hero/old man” phase of Joseph Campbell’s hero cycle, which of course claims a lot of responsibility for all these shenanigans in the first place. The old man (or woman, in some cases) who prompts the hero to begin his quest is frequently adept at truth-twisting and manipulation. Look at Dumbledore, he even admitted to manipulating Harry repeatedly to get the desired outcome – no doubt the Jedi had no qualms doing the same (though we wanted to think better of Obi Wan after the prequels).

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10 years ago

I got to “literally conceived out of raw Force trail mix” and had to stop because I do not acknowledge the existence of any frame of what is sometimes called the prequel trilogy that some people wrongfully allege to exist.

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10 years ago

What’s creepy in retrospect (and really stands out in the radio version of Star Wars) is how much Obi Wan encouraged Luke’s interest in Leia. It’s almost at the “Hey, let’s go save the beautiful princess. Mabye she’ll personally reward you! wink, wink, nudge, nudge” level of ewwww.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

Initiating kids before they could talk, becoming their true family, resulted in “better” Jedi. (Translation: Jedi who do as they’re told by the Jedi Council and their mentors.)

Yeah…. not really why they did it.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

The only way to ensure detachment is to remove them as children and raise them that way. Basically, the Jedi of this era sacrifice attachments in order to prevent Jedi from going to the Dark Side. (Because this was a problem in a previous era) At this point, they don’t even realize what this costs them. Hopefully the new movies explore this dynamic.

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10 years ago

Awesome analysis Emily!

Is it really stated somewhere that Anakin/Vader’s force powers were reduced after he awakened as Vader? I have never heard that before now. was a reason given? (I have tried very hard to forget that ep. III ever happened so I apologize if this is an obvious answer)

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Shae
10 years ago

I really like this theory. I also now really want a Star Wars AU where Luke DOES join the Academy and sets off all kinds of internal alarms with his last name and Vader gets the surprise of his life.

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Random22
10 years ago

Not really a quibble (but totally a quibble :) ), but I always got the impression that Luke and Obi-Wan had had some contact at least before Ben scares of those Sand People in Ep4. Luke certainly recognises the name, and of course Obi-Wan himself, I guess he probably showed up a few times to play the cool old man card, probably even pushed Owen a few times so that Owen would forbid Luke to see him or talk about him because there is nothing like the allure of forbidden fruit.

@2. We can square Obi-Wan’s apparent surprise with the whole “last chance/there is another” thing with Obi-Wan just assuming Leia was a bust, force-wise. For whatever reason he may just have chalked her up as a flatscan and not a potential Jedi.

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10 years ago

Nicely done.

Of course, the real reason is that he wasn’t lying as the script for Empire hadn’t been written yet. See The Secret History of Star Wars for how that all came to pass.

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10 years ago

Watching Star Wars, it’s pretty clear that Darth Vader is a name, not a title. In hindsight, with the added continuity, it seems weird that Old Ben keeps refering to his friend by his title.

“Only a master of evil, Darth.”
“You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down …”

So if Darth Vader is a first name-last name construct, and a separate person from Luke’s father, then everything in Star Wars makes sense. Of course, once we start adding in the continuity from the later films, it goes off the rails, but oh well.

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10 years ago

@@@@@Neuralnet
I haven’t read the prequel trilogy novels, but in some of the EU (oh, pardon me, “SW Legends”) books its stated that the more prosthetics a person has, the less connection s/he has with the Force.

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10 years ago

@13 She’s the daughter of Annikin Skywalker, twin of Luke Skywalker. Why would Obi-wan assume that she was not “in-tune” with the Force even if she has never used it herself? Her father is the son of prophecy, her brother the last Jedi.

No. I don’t buy that. Obi-wan’s surprise that there “is another” really only works if he doesn’t know that Luke has a twin. It is logical that, for security, that Obi-wan not know that there is a back-up. Should the Emperor ever learn that Annikin has offspring, they would lose only Luke; Leia would be safe since she does not carry the Skywalker name, has no ties to Annikin’s homeworld and knowledge of her existence as a Skywalker is held only by a person so well hidden that even the Emperor thinks he’s dead. Obi-wan knowing of Leia is a weak link in the chain, a security breach that could unravel the very last hope of the fallen Jedi order. A being as wise and cunning as Yoda would not allow such an oversight if he really were intent on keeping the existances of the Skywalker twins hidden from Vader and the Emperor.

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FSS
10 years ago

@@@@@ emily – I always thought Luke’s failure at the cave was in taking his weapons with him, ensuring he would need to fight. I thought if he’d left his weapons, the test would have been different/

@@@@@15 – “Darth” can be used as a title in those sentences without changing the structure:

“Only a Master of evil, Admiral”
“Only a Master of evil, General”
“Only a Master of evil, douche”
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10 years ago

As for the dying of a broken heart thing, I recently just read a post postulating that Palpatine directly and intentionally killed Padme by siphoning off her Force energy. It boils down to that the droids say she is completely healthy, but for reasons they can’t explain, are losing her–and the droids would understand nothing of the Force. In addition, the author points out that it’s in Palpatine’s best interest for Padme to die so Vader becomes totally devoted to him (and how does he know she’s dead?) Also, since it’s very much implied that Palpatine and/or Plagueis used midi-chlorians to create life, then why not to take life?

Anyway, as for this. I don’t necessarily see it as a fully culpable and entirely planned out manipulation. For one thing, if Obi-Wan wants to convince Luke that Vader is no longer his father and just and evil machine, is it not because he spent the last 20 years of his life in a desert wallowing in self-pity and trying to convince himself of the same thing to make the pain go away? I mean, in Episode III, he doesn’t want to kill Anakin, and Yoda tries to convince him that Anakin is gone (so maybe this is really all entirely Yoda’s scheme). In the end, he doesn’t even kill him for real. He just leaves. And then oops, he becomes this evil-machine man who helps to hunt down the rest of the stragglers. So, maybe Obi-Wan just really convinced himself of this narrative. Obi-Wan (and Yoda) were probably trying to spare Luke the burden of having to go through that same journey of pain. It was still a mistake to be sure, but it makes it a less malicious one.

Anyway, as for the “there is another” thing in Empire…that’s kind of dumb, because at the time, the “other” was a captive of Vader. Maybe Yoda did see enough of the future to realize that Lando would’ve helped rescue them without Luke’s interference…but without Luke actually going there, Vader wouldn’t have had his attention focused on him, so maybe it wouldn’t have gone down that way. So yeah, Obi-Wan was right…Luke kind of was their last hope at that point.

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10 years ago

I had a long FB thread conversation regarding the whole “maybe it wasn’t hearbreak” thing, much fun, and I expect I’ll see a similar result when I share this one.

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Random22
10 years ago

@17 Leia’s been in close proximity of Vader multiple times, and also in times of great stress (which is when the force is closest to the surface) too when Vader aided in the detonation of Alderaan and when torturing using imperial approved enhanced interogations. Obi-Wan may have thought that if Leia was going to be force sensitive then that was the time she’d have shown it. That she didn’t, and that Vader didn’t, is possibly enough for Obi-Wan to draw that erroneous conclusion. Plus he’s been present at her birth, maybe he sensed nothing from her then in contrast to some sort of force-potential in Luke that he did. There are lots of ways we can handwave Obi-Wan going with that; and yes it has to be a handwave because we all know the Doylist reason is that Lucas hadn’t written everything yet.

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10 years ago

@17: I still don’t get where you think Obi-Wan is surprised to learn of Leia. He is corrected by Yoda (see my above comment for why it might not really be a correction), but we can certainly think of reasons why Obi-Wan was just focused on Luke other than he didn’t know about Leia. There is no suprise seen on Obi-Wan’s part; he is not even in frame when Yoda delivers his line, and then we cut immediately to Luke’s X-Wing.

@18: Also, by calling him by his title, he is acknowledging that he sees him only as a Sith Lord now, and not having any other name or personality.

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10 years ago

Obi-Wan has become one of my favorite characters, and in some ways this makes me like him more (even if it does show him to be a tad manipulative here…). And yeah, in a meta sense, a lot of this probably wasn’t thought out ahead of time (having read the Making of Star Wars books and the evolution of the old scripts) but it’s still fun to think about.

Stuff like this always kind of makes me love Luke more – I can’t completely fault Yoda and Obi-Wan for doing what they thought they needed to do (nor can I blame Obi-Wan for giving up on Anakin after watching him slaughter the Younglings, or after the real pain/sense of betrayal he shows after the duel on Mustafar). But I love that Luke is the one to show that need for balance between Anakin’s hyper-emotional attatchments, and the old Jedi Academy’s sterile approach.

I really, really hope the new movies get this (and Luke’s arc/character), right. (Right in my view, at least, lol). It’s one of the things I am the most worried about.

Also, I am totally excited you linked to the ‘Padme didn’t die of a broken heart’ article. I was hoping somebody would share that on Tor.

I think the ordeal in the cave can certainly have a sense of failure/passing to it – yes, it mainfests your inner demons, etc, but it’s then about how you deal with them. Or who knows, maybe it was just a message that Luke was already on the path to ‘failure’, even if he didn’t fail in the cave specifically. Ironically, the failure may perhaps have been based on Yoda/Obi-Wan’s emphasis on defeating Vader out of revenge, instead of taking the more compassionate view Luke ultimately takes.

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10 years ago

Wow, there were like 10 comments posted sine I last posted

cryzydroid, I think that is definitely also valid – I think sometimes we tend to forget Obi-Wan is a human to, and for all the Jedi views on attachments, he and Anakin were close. I am sure there is some very real grief and guilt on his part for what happened. Yoda and Obi-Wan were for sure manipulating things, but not necessarily in a malicious, cackly, power hungry way.

Also, the article you mention is actually linked in this one in one of the first paragraphs :)

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Lsana
10 years ago

Much like @21, 22, I always assumed that Obi-Wan did know about Leia and just didn’t see her as a candidate for defeating Vader. I can think of plenty of reasons why this might be:

– As Random22 suggests, he doesn’t think she inherited Anakin’s powers.

– Good old-fashioned sexism. Obi-Wan doesn’t think a woman is up to the task.

– Just a matter of timing. Even he believes that Leia has the power and the capability, she may not be able to learn. He’s dead, and he can probably sense that Yoda doesn’t have much time left. Convincing her to seek out the training, getting her to Dagobah, and graduating her as a Jedi knight may take longer than they have.

Whatever his reason, though, I believed from the first time I saw those movies back in about 1990 that Obi-Wan knew. He didn’t really seem surprised when Yoda came out with his, “There is another,” and in the next movie, when he tells Luke about her, he sounds like it’s something he’s talking about from his own knowledge.

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10 years ago

I may be viewing things through a more optimistic lens, but that given that there were plenty of female Jedi (in the background, unfortunately, but we can at least extrapolate that Obi-Wan had worked with them and wouldn’t have found anything out of the ordinary in that), sexism would be the last thing I’d suspect on Obi-Wan’s part – at least in-universe.

I always had a kind of hand-wavey theory that Luke was such a beacon of Force-power that he pretty much overshadowed his sister in the womb (hence Anakin not knowing about his daughter) and that his powers were a bit more blatant (especially as the name Luke brings to mind the word ‘light’). Leia had more hidden depths, I think.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

“Ben is a great man,” he snaps at the smuggler after Solo gives him a hard time about following Obi-Wan’s orders to the dotted ‘i’s. Based on what, Luke? What he told you? The five minor things he’s taught you on this journey? His winning smile and modest fashion choices?

No, it probably having more to do with a beautiful, mysterious princess/hologram saying “General Kenobi, you served my father during the clone wars”, etc. Impressionable young minds and all.

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10 years ago

@26: She had more Leia-ers.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

@15:

The problem with the assumption that Lucas never intended Vader to be Luke’s father while filming Episode IV is the simple fact that his name is Vader. It means Father.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

I echo @22, Obi-Wan’s comment “That boy is our only hope…” doen’t register as not knowing about Leia to me. There are many other ways to interpret that comment, including that Leia has limited force potential. You don’t think its likely that Obi-Wan ran a midichlorian test on both of them?

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

RE: Ordeal in cave

He did fail. Yoda specifically mentioned he wouldn’t need his lightsaber in there. The test was controlling your fear. Luke failed.

Compare this to the Jedi test Yoda administers in the recent Rebels episode. The new padawan fails at first in that test as well, similarly to Luke, but eventually gains mastery over his fear. But that character is a LOT more wise in certain areas than Luke, even at 15. Because, hello, street rat.

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KatherineW
10 years ago

Great article! I’ve long thought that Obi-Wan and Yoda planned out everything so that Luke would kill Vader: Obi-Wan tolk Luke that Vader killed his father, and Obi-Wan later let Vader kill him, so that Luke would have powerful motivation to take Vader out; then Obi-Wan sent him to Yoda so Luke would learn that even though killing Vader needed to be done, he couldn’t do so out of hate or he would turn to the Dark Side. Luke learning that Vader was his father complicated things because it made Luke reluctant to kill him.

You outline the whole thing in far more detail, and far more effectively, that I could, though.

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10 years ago

@33: I disagree here about Obi-Wan’s motives for letting himself be killed. It seems to me that it was more about letting Luke be able to escape; he knew that Luke would never go if he thought Ben was still behind.

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10 years ago

I still think in “Attack of the Clones” that Lucas should have written a one off clone of Anakin to serve as Count Dooku’s Apprentice. The Clone Darth Vader would have killed Anakin in the Duel and would not have been lying when he told Luke, “I am Your Father (‘s Clone).

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Megpie71
10 years ago

I suspect at least part of the reason Leia was never really considered as a candidate for the Jedi is this: she’s of the wrong mindset. She’s entirely practical, entirely focussed on what’s physically and scientifically possible, and given her upbringing as a Princess on Alderaan, probably entirely too politically aware to ever be a “good” Jedi. It’s never said plainly, but at least part of the way the Force appears to work is that you have to believe it will work – if the person attempting to use the Force isn’t capable of believing something will happen, they’re not going to get a result, no matter how force-sensitive they are.

Leia’s political awareness, however, would probably be the main thing behind any decision to avoid teaching her about the Force – consider where Palpatine came from, after all. A Force-trained politician is basically faced with so very many opportunities for temptation to use the Force in order to smooth things over, or make negotiations easier, that is becomes very easy to slip over to the Dark side without noticing you have.

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10 years ago

@3
There is a difference between precision and accuracy. Obi Wan made the claim thatstormtroopers were precise, not that they were accurate. So while they might not be able to hit the broad side of a sandcrawler, the burst fire from their blasters has comparatively little scatter.

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10 years ago

I have no idea what these “midichlorians” are referred to here, but Vader was less powerful after turning to the Dark side because the Dark side is less powerful than correct utilization of the Force.

La la la la can’t hear you…!

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10 years ago

Obi-Wan and Yoda were manipulative and clumsy in the way they tried to handle Luke. Which just goes to show you why the Jedi Council totally missed the growing evil in their midst. They may have been able to deflect blaster bolts in mid-air, but they were a bunch of bone-heads.

digrifter
10 years ago

Cool theory! It does make for a much deeper and nuanced story.

Thanks for sharing!

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10 years ago

@37: Actually, he says both: “And these blast points, too accurate for sandpeople–only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.”

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

@41:

In Obi-Wan’s defense, he’s been on a backwater planet for 18 years, with little to no Imperial presence. When HE was leading the predesessors of the Storm Troopers, they WERE accurate and precise.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

Also, when regarding how innaccurate Storm Troopers actually are, its important to remember that our Heroes are surrounded by a mystical energy field that surrounds them, penetrates them and supernaturally protects them.

Plot armor

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Species8
10 years ago

Good article. One point I’d add is Aunt Beru’s influence on Luke. If all Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted/needed was a Force trained hitman, why not take Luke to Dagobah from birth. There all three could hide, Luke could be trained/indoctrinated till he was ready to take on Vader. Then Yoda and Obi-Wan could take on and ultimately defeat Palpatine. Because whats the point of just killing Vader? The Emperor is still alive, Luke is no match for him. Palpatine kills Luke, finds a new Sith apprentice and continues to rule the Republic/Empire just like he always has for the last 30+ years.

To avoid Anakin’s fate, what they needed for Luke was what they never provided Anakin as a boy: compassion and empathy. Which Luke gets from Aunt Beru. She never had kids. Luke was her only child. One she cared for as a baby, watched him grow, acted as a buffer between Luke and Owen in his teen years. In reality, if not biologically, Luke’s mom.

No one ever talks about this, that Luke spends 18-19 formative years with her. Obi-Wan is there, but only in the abstract; he makes a few appearances to help Luke and Owen out of some situations, but nothing else. There is no guidance from Obi-Wan to Luke. Owen provides the stern father figure, but not much else, save for a strong work ethic.

Luke’s desire to help his friends, to save his father, all this arises because Aunt Beru has been there teaching him. That family, friends, these are the things that matter in the universe. Anakin’s upbringing (post Qui-Gon), is severely lacking in this area.

Maybe both Obi-Wan and Yoda realize that this is what the Skywalker twins need to fulfill the prophecy: that compassion, love and empathy are needed to balance the Force. That by hiding them with loving families, these lessons will be learned.

Anyway, its just a movie, right?

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10 years ago

@29, The actual original plan, was that Luke had TWO fathers, one Anakin Skywalker, was a cool guy and hero, the other Darth Vader was not.

Where the mother was in all this, I don’t know.

Emily, you Star Wars deconstructions are wonderful as always. This is pretty much how I always explained it. I’ve become quite anti-Jedi(still anti Sith too) and that’s I why I loved the EU, which seem to recognize the flaws of the Jedi moreso than the movies did.

It will be interesting to see where the new movies take us. Is Luke adhering to the old way, or has he found a more comprehensive way to approach the Force that doesn’t entail cutting yourself off from the things that make you a sentient emotional creature.

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Matt Doyle
10 years ago

“These blast points are too precise” could also mean that the plasma beam (blasters aren’t lasers, they’re laser-excited plasma weapons) are too focused; i.e. the weapons were in better repair than Sand People could manage with local tech.

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

@47:

Just read the post. At the end, the article author speculates that he’s hiring the bounty hunters seen in Empire. Which would place those pages after A New Hope, and still allow Emily’s presumption to be correct.

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LarryK
10 years ago

Wow, that was really insightful and well thought out. Now can yoe please explain Jar Jar Binks and midichlorians!?

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10 years ago

I’ve been thinking about what the Emperor might know about Luke, and why he wouldn’t tell Vader if he did. I can think of a couple reasons he wouldn’t share:

* As long as they were getting older without Jedi training, Luke’s raw power would continue to grow beyond his focus. Yoda says the same about Anakin and Luke- they’re too old, and for 800 years has he trained Jedi, so maybe listened to him they should have. When they finally decide to go after Luke, his Dark Side transition ought to be a snap.

* It’s something for to keep Vader busy; yeah, he’s got a Rebel Alliance to crush but there are a dozen Grand Moffs and the whole Imperial military for that. Vader needs special stuff to do.

* But… rule of two. When Vader gets serious about picking up an apprentice, he’s also going to start looking to plant a lightsaber in Palpatine’s back. Or, Luke takes out Vader and becomes the Emperor’s apprentice; you don’t even need to go to the EU to see that happening. Vader’s getting kind of rusty and he’s /failed/ a couple of times; no Sith likes that.

* Following on that- the Sith order. Palpatine’s not going to make it easy, but by his own rules sooner or later he has to go, and leaving the Order in the hands of Darths Vader and Luke’s not a bad legacy.

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Unmonk
10 years ago

Great analysis!
I just want to add that Luke, without “proper” Jedi training, is able to use both sides of the Force, Dark and Light.
Dresses in black, chokes Gamorean entering Jabba’s palace.
His ability to also interact with the Dark side, enables him to see and understand things that Ben and Yoda can’t. Feel the good in Vader, embrace passion and not seccumb to it, etc.
It is Luke that brings balance to the Force, not his father.
The generational slip always reminds me of Dune.

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Unmonk
10 years ago

@Species8
Great point made about Auto Beru!

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10 years ago

Aeryl – I am really looking forward to, but also nervous about, how the movies will treat this. I am not saying there is no room for nuance, conflict, tempation, etc – but I will be really upset if they end up making Luke anything other than a heroic character.

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10 years ago

@53 I would be upset as well…

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

@53,54:

I hope you guys aren’t following the rumor mill then.

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10 years ago

Nope, and I don’t want to. Heh.

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10 years ago

@44 Species8 – Excellent point, and one that often gets completely overlooked. Although that does make me wonder why Luke still calls them “Uncle Owen” and “Aunt Beru”. They’ve raised him since birth. Why didn’t they just adopt him and be “Dad” and “Mom”?

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Species8
10 years ago

: Good question. Probably not a local government adoption service around, unless Obi-Wan’s comment about Mos Eisley ” a hive of scum and villainy” was really meant for the Mos Eisely Dept. Of Child Services.

Id like to hear the conversation of Owen & Beru’s friends about Luke.
Family friend, “A guy in a robe shows up with a baby, waves his arm and says he’s related, now take care of this child forever. No question asked, bada bing, bada boom you’ve got a kid. Riiiiighttt. ” long awkward pause, “So, Owen, I’ve got a bridge for sale, wanna buy it?”

Anthony Pero
10 years ago

You really think they stand an chance to force persuasion? Or even monetary persuasion? Also, Shmi seemed to be important to them.

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SaliciousCrumb
10 years ago

I know it’s now a week later, but I wanted to add some things to help flesh out Obi-Wan and Luke. Although you may not believe me, but I have a 2nd draft of the RotJ and with that, a number of deleted scenes/lines. With that, there is some interesting things that kind of clash with the prequels, but nonetheless give a bit of insight.

Luke: Leia! Leia’s my sister!
Ben: Your insights serve you well. Bury you feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit. But they could be made to serve the Emperor.

(Luke looks into the distance trying to comprehend all this)

Ben (continuing): When your father left, he didn’t know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine…and yout mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.

Ben continues to talk about how Leia would become part of the royal family by virtue of lineage and no one knew she was adopted. He also mentions how she became the leader in her cell in the Alliance against the Empire and how she used her diplomatic immunity to get vital information for the Rebels.

Plus don’t forget that Luke asks Leia :”Do you remember your mother, your real mother?”

Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Just…images really. Feelings.

So it seems that Lawrence Kasdan and George Lucas had outlined that Anakin never knew that (Padme…or someone else) was pregnant and that Obi-Wan and Luke’s mother had actually remained in contact for a little while after Anakin became Darth Vader.

What does this all mean? Not much really, just wanted to share :)

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10 years ago

I know in the novelization Owen is given as Ben’s brother, but that relation was ultimately abandoned.

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10 years ago

I think its an important point to make that yoda was suprised that vader told him that he was his father. I get the feeling both obi-wan and yoda saw that anakin was truly gone and nothing good remained. He had spent the last two decades likely hunting jedi and crushing the enemies of empire. They didn’t imagine anything left of anakin would reach out, that he was in essence an extension for the emperor. All their training and direction was to get Luke ready to face what they thought was pure evil. They knew if luke found out he would want to try and save him and it was essential that he had been prepared for that time. I think this is why they were distressed about vader’s trap in cloud city. Luke had failed his test to master fear, and part of me thinks they knew his arrival wouldn’t change things for his friends. They let him make his decision though. Yoda could have stopped him but didn’t.

Also it is important to note that obi-wan wasn’t the first to lie to him about his father. His aunt and uncle had lead luke to believe his father was dead, and obi-wan too for that matter.

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Ryen
10 years ago

I like it, but two major points: Luke kills neither Vador, nor the emperor. Vador and Palpatine kill each other.

I’ve always thought that was the plan. Luke isn’t a hitman, he’s an emotional trap that forces Vador to either abandon all he was to the darkside or save.. or possibly avenge Luke. But yeah, that makes Yoda’s and Obi-Won’s plan even worse.. they simply trained him so that he might survive at best.

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Vanto
9 years ago

This is a nice try, but everyone should have limits to how far they’ll bend over backward to expalin away Lucas’s apathy toward his own lore.

Even these explanations assume things that we just have to take on faith. Why did Kenobi and Yoda “know” (as this article says) that Vader would reveal his parentage to Luke in ESB? and why is that a bad thing if their ultimate goal was to ensnare Vader with Luke? And no, you cannot impose emotions and motives to characters just to suit the prequels when there is no indication of ulterior motives in the originals. That’s just not how stories are told, and we all know that Lucas did not really intend for Kenobi to be a morally-ambiguous mastermind.

It’s a good try, but in the end, the answer is that the sequels are one universe, and the originals are another.

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Rosie
9 years ago

I do agree with your theory that Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted to use Luke as a tool to create a new Jedi Order.  However . . . 

 

The rhetoric that Obi-Wan and Yoda created for Luke was designed to frighten him into success. It was a tactic they felt was necessary because they’d both made the mistake of trusting Anakin, of being blind to his faults.

 

Obi-Wan and Yoda have NEVER been blind about Anakin’s faults.  They were blind about their own faults.  

 

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Rosie
9 years ago

No. I don’t buy that. Obi-wan’s surprise that there “is another” really only works if he doesn’t know that Luke has a twin.

 

What surprise?  The camera never revealed Obi-Wan’s reaction to Yoda’s comment.  How did you come to that conclusion?

 

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Rosie
9 years ago

Obi-Wan never expressed surprise at the thought of another “hope” against the Emperor.  In fact, audiences never saw his reaction to Yoda’s words.  Obi-Wan never considered Leia as a potential Jedi.  This could either be a case of sexism on his part.  Or the fact that Leia had been trained to become a politician.  I suspect the latter. This idea that Obi-Wan was surprised by the revelation that Leia was Anakin’s daughter is nothing but a lie created by those who want to dump some kind of blooper on the Prequel Trilogy.  If that was their intent, they failed to notice that Obi-Wan knew about Leia in “Return of the Jedi”.

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Maryann
9 years ago

This is a good point, but still, I see it as Obi Wan wanted to convey that his dad wasn’t some horrible person to Luke. Not wanting to upset him for his father’s turn to the dark side. Just knowing your FAMILY has that in them, can make you question your own path. By telling Luke his dad was a great friend, a warrior, a skilled pilot… all of these things were true. His DAD *was* all of those when he was conceived. When he killed Windu and gave up the name Anakin for Darth Vader, he essentially killed himself. 

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Mo
9 years ago

Dude, for the most part, your argument is pretty solid. The very things that made Anakin dangerous and ultimately led to his downfall were the very things that Luke had in a purer form that allowed him to reach Vader without succumbing to the Dark side himself. Obi-Wan’s moves were calculated to do exactly that.

I just have one minor correction: Luke wanting to join the imperial academy. In a cut scene (but still present in the old comics), Luke and Biggs are talking about joining the academy to hone their piloting skills so that they can defect and join the rebellion. Luke never wanted to be an imperial officer. Even in the movie he got all excited about the Rebellion when 3PO brings it up, and then he even tells Obi-Wan that he hates the Empire.

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Jake
8 years ago

Everyone says that the prequels sucks, but the Clone Wars TV show was the best show I watched as a child. 

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Jacky Rubou
7 years ago

About Obi Wan not knowing Leia was Luke’s twin sister, he did as he was present at their birth. But considering that he knew Leia lived on Alderaan and that that planet was destroyed, wouldn’t you think he might’ve assumed she died along with it? Her message was begging him to come to Alderaan. He didn’t know that she was on the Death Star when it happened!