It’s funny, because this movie has a… rocky relationship with Potter fandom. Some of the reasons why are warranted, others I’m not so sure on. But what’s odd to me on rewatching this time around is that the Goblet of Fire film was clearly trying to recreate Cuarón’s magic from PoA, and as a result has many of the same flaws; it has some beautiful added/altered moments and snappy dialogue, but the plot is a chopped up mess of a thing.
Of course, people are generally shouting over the color of Hermione’s dress too loudly to get that conversation in.
It seems relevant to start by saying that one of the movie’s greatest strengths lies in visual world building, very similarly to Prisoner of Azkaban. The Quidditch World Cup stadium, the Durmstrang ship and Beauxbatons coach, the costumes and props. The film is beautifully designed from Moody’s (now metal rather than wooden) leg and roving magic eye to the Triwizard Cup itself. And we see more of the student body again, the little side conversations, the antics of the Weasley twins, the crushes and whispers. There are so many satisfying moments in this film, which still makes it fun to watch in places even if the narrative has been shaved down like a sad little carrot.
Where the trio is concerned, everyone has grown both in skill and height. It occurs to me that Hermione is weirdly combative through a good half of this film, though, and I feel as though it comes from the script being keen to show that Hermione is still the “tough, strong female” she was made out to be in the last film, then floundering where it has to juxtapose this with Hermione indulging in more classically feminine pursuits that the story demands. She’s beyond snippy with Harry and Ron for not waking up instantly at the beginning of the film, though there seems to be no reason for her irritation—she only just arrived at the house herself. Then she openly taunts Fred and George for trying the aging potion to get past the line around the Goblet of Fire, mocking them for thinking that Dumbledore could ever be fooled by something so dim-witted. Then she’s shouting at Harry: “You told me you had the egg figured out weeks ago!” and again, all the rage seems just a tad over-the-top. Maybe it’s just a slight overacting thing? I dunno, it threw me on this viewing.
And then there’s the hair problem. I mean, I know we’ve all had our share of unfortunate haircuts in youth, but I felt like they were determined to be extra mean to the boys on this round. Ron is needed back on the set of That 70s Show in a bad way. Why those styles in particular? Why did no one get a haircut this summer?
On the other hand, there is some major weirdness in the presentation of the international schools. The first problem comes from the decision to make them single-gender schools in the first place, which, who knows why anyone thought that was a good decision, but there you go. It results in introductions that border on the absurd. Dumbledore’s like “Here’s Beauxbatons!” and a bunch of ladies rush in doing coordinated dance moves, wearing satin-y-silk powder blue (excellent choice for school uniform fabric, wow) and breast hats. Then they sigh and proceed to fart butterflies before a single gymnast does some floor work to introduce Fleur, who bows like she’s being introduced to high society, or what-have-you.
Followed by Durmstrang! Dudes. Dudes pounding floors with sticks. Big heavy sticks. These sticks represent masculinity. Thump go the sticks. In time. Dudes have rhythm. Now one of them will breakdance, the native movement style(??!!?) of Bulgaria. Another dude will breathe manly fire as Krum storms in, and he’s SUPER ANGRY, just so you know that testosterone has finally arrived at Hogwarts. Their uniforms are red, like the trail of blood they will leave from the door to the lake where their ship is parked after they dine on the bones of newly-sorted First Years.
I get that some element of posturing could be part of the introductions when the Triwizard Tournament happens, and that’s fine. A sort of, “hey, you should be intimidated by how great we are!” show from the competing schools. But this is gendered in the goofiest way. I mean, really, those hats are boobs. Boob hats. You can’t not see it. It’s like they were trying to think of the clearest way to delineate Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, and the only thing they could come up with was “I dunno, Fleur was girly and fancy and Krum was big and broody, so we’ll just make everything about their respective schools align with that.” And Hogwarts comes off looking so well-adjusted by comparison, and you can’t help but think that if they were the ones traveling to some foreign school, they’d enter the opposition’s Great Hall singing the Hogwarts School Song and no one would ever take them seriously. I kind of want that now.
But whatever, the Triwizard Tournament is on like Donkey Kong and the odds are in no one’s favor—what can ya do?
One piece of this film that causes a great tizzy in fandom is Dumbledore’s furious reaction to Harry’s name getting spat out by the Goblet of Fire. There are many a GIF-ed shots and so forth, but I don’t think it’s worth the ire that line delivery gets. Or to be more accurate, I don’t think it’s particularly worthy of recounting unless we’re going to talk about the way in which Dumbledore’s entire character is altered in this film.
People act as though this is it, the one odd thing that he does, the one thing that’s in diametric opposition with his book!verse counterpart, and is therefore some kind of cardinal Potter Sin. But really, Dumbledore’s entire role in this film is changed from the book. He’s much more confused about what’s happening at the school. His lack of clarity on the events frustrates him to the point where he is willing to admit it. He bows to Crouch’s ruling that the Triwizard Tournament be held with Harry’s participation, but it seems as though he’d prevent it if he could. He passes the buck onto Crouch Sr. later, when McGonagall and Snape are questioning Harry’s involvement. Rather than Dumbledore taking the calculated risk of allowing Harry to compete, we are shown that Snape is the one who believes they should allow the events to unfold around the kid. It builds some suspicion around Snape while Dumbledore comes off looking far more helpless than he truly is. So while it is fun to snigger as Michael Gambon bellows “DIDYOUPUTYOURNAME IN DA GERBLET ERF FIAR?” that’s not an issue of bad acting choices so much as it is an issue of how the whole character is being relayed. The film is likely trying to keep Dumbledore in the role of sympathetic lovable grandpa, while the book version makes it clear that Dumbledore is playing a long game, aware of the danger he’s placing Harry in. Having him shout at Harry instead proves that he’s concerned because he is getting emotional i.e. he cares.
The distillation of the Barty Crouch Sr./Jr./Moody story makes for a very black-and-white telling of one of Rowling’s more layered emotional arcs. It’s really quite a shame because there’s no doubt at any point that this Barty Crouch Jr. isn’t evil with a capital ‘E,’ and it makes his father much more indiscernible for it. Crouch Sr. just seems unhinged and vaguely sad throughout the movie, rather than the cold, competent man who sent his pleading teenaged son to the worst prison on earth. Not to say that I’m sad to watch David Tennant chew scenery, but he could have played a more nuanced Barty equally well. The script simply didn’t want to spend time on it.
What the script did want to spend time on was the Triwizard Tournament. I understand the impulse from a filmmaking perspective, especially once they decided to make one movie out of the book instead of two—screenwriter Steve Kloves assumed it would be two films initially, but they never figured out how split the tale. The tournament is where all the action is, so distilling the story down and making it bend around the tournament is a logical step. Unfortunately, it results in making the tasks far more dark and perilous (and resultantly nonsensical) than they have to be. Harry fights a dragon and the dragon breaks free and proceeds to chase him all over the school, damaging the castle roofs, and everyone is just like, heyo, we’ll sit here in the stands because blah, we don’t need to know if Harry is currently being murdered by a dragon. We’ll see him when he gets back, and for now we’ll just hang out… quietly. No announcer for this part, huh? That’s cool. (Is it technically a wyvern if it uses its wings for leverage and has no front legs? I think that’s the general wisdom on dragon stuff, but I’m not sure.)
Then the second task shows the mermaids being considerably more hostile then they are in the book because Dramatic Tension, which is too bad because the mermaids being all cool and proud of Harry for saving peoples is way more interesting. Plus it deprived us of the chance to hear Dumbledore speak mermish, so that’s boo. The third task just gets whittled down to “maze with stuff in.” Not cool specific stuff like the book makes it out to be, just generic maze-y stuff. Mists! Vines! Darkness! WIND! Which is why Dumbledore has to make this contrived speech before they enter about how people “change” in the maze, because it wouldn’t seem all that threatening otherwise. Just maze-y.
We’ve got a sizable addition to the cast this time around, and they’re predictably fabulous. Brendan Gleeson’s turn as Alastor Moody is one of the movie’s crowning achievements, as he brings the appropriate amount of menace and sheer bombasity that the character requires. The fact that Seamus talking about his magic eye under his breath in class results in Moody throwing chalk across the room is… someone give me a hand-fan so I can swoon over perfect characterization. There is anger there too, a constant rage boiling right under his skin that comes out in all the moments you wait for as a reader, like the ferret escapade and his breakdown to Harry at the end. The tongue tick is unfortunately a bit obvious, but it’s likely that was a higher up choice meant for extra clarity and clues. Miranda Richardson is both odious and impossible to look away from as Rita Skeeter, and it helps that her costumes are every bit as over-the-top as you’d expect from the book. Frances de la Tour is a charming and stylish Madame Maxime, and Clémence Poésy and Stanislav Ianevski are both well-cast as Fleur and Krum respectively.
But like I said, it’s the little bits that sell this movie. Ron waxing on about Viktor Krum while his family indulges his tirade with musical accompaniment. The dancing lesson with McGonagall (which should just be in the book, add it in I don’t even care). The way that Harry and Ron fight, and make it doubly hard on their friends and family by pulling them into it. Harry’s crush on Cho, how he makes himself look incomparably silly whenever he’s in her presence. The twins shoving off the whole Gryffindor common room so Harry and Ron have space to make up. Harry raising his eyebrows over Hermione’s comments about Viktor being a “physical being.” Snape smacking the boys with books when they talk during study period. (You can actually see Daniel Radcliffe trying not to laugh at one point during that scene.) Ginny being her sassy self, alotted more of a personality in this film than she than she ever will be again.
I love Harry hanging out with Neville in Ron’s absence, his exasperation over Neville’s constant exclamations of wonder without context. On the other hand, I have to admit that Harry’s reply of “Neville, you’re doing it again,” could really just read as GOSH, NEVILLE, I AGREED TO HANG OUT WITH YOU ONLY IF YOU PROMISED NEVER TO SPEAK IN MY PRESENCE, WHAT THE HELL. Which is also funny, really, so either way. Only thing is, with Dobby out of the picture, that makes it seem like Neville stole the gillyweed from Professor Snape for Harry to use in the second task. So Neville has been promoted Mission Impossible-style stealth master in this film and no one knows it.
Then there’s the Yule Ball, which gets me worse somehow in the film version, I think because the emotions are so immediate. Hermione isn’t just angry with Ron for his behavior, she’s fighting back tears, she’s in pain, and Ron’s clearly so out of his depth that he can’t come up with anything better than a sexist aside as Harry runs after him up the stairs. Hermione collapses on the staircase, pulling shoes off her aching feet, the rush at having a wonderful time with someone who made her feel special all dashed to pieces because someone who matters more tore her down. She crumples while the stragglers are having their last dance on the floor, and there’s a girl right behind her on the stairs in the exact same state with two friends desperately trying to comfort her, and it’s Too. Real. Every time I watch this scene I want to gather Emma Watson into my arms and murmur “It’s okay, everything will be okay” over and over and over.
A word about the dress kerfuffle—fandom seems to have taken it very personally that Hermione’s dress was changed from periwinkle to a sort of muted rosy pink. And this is dumb for several reasons, being 1) it’s just a color 2) no one seems to care about the fact that she’s wearing a plain old dress and not dress robes, which annoys the heck out of me 3) no one seems to care that Harry’s robes are not “green matching the color of his eyes” the way they do in the book so Imma call a bullshit double standard what it is, and make it known that I could not give a melting chocolate frog butt what color Hermione’s dress happens to be. There. ‘Tis said.
For the fun, dance-y part of the ball, The Weird Sisters needed a real front band, and they got one. The band on film was made up of none other than Jarvis Cocker and members of Radiohead, Pulp, Add N to (X), and All Seeing I, with Cocker as the primary songwriter for the film. They’re pretty goofy numbers, but I cannot deny that if you played “Do the Hippogriff” at full volume, I would probably thrash around until I sprained my neck. Also, Franz Ferdinand were originally asked to play The Weird Sisters—they’re fans of the book—and I’m a little heartbroken that we never got to hear their version of wizard rock. (Interestingly, the group in the film and Warner Brothers were sued by the actual Canadian folk band Wyrd Sisters, but the band lost.)
For all that the movie is always coming back to the tournament, the other champions feel weirdly sidelined, and we see very little of Fleur and Krum. (A little more of Krum, but only as he relates to Hermione.) Cedric Diggory, of course, is played by Robert Pattinson, before Twilight mania made him a household name. It’s sort of strange to watch him here and see how much more comfortable he seems in this role than he ever will as Edward Cullen. I never liked the fact that they have him raise his wand before his death in the film because I think it ruins some of the impact, but it’s the sort of “movie choice” that you expect nonetheless. He’s a wonderful Cedric, effortlessly handsome and bright and sweet.
On the other end of the spectrum we’ve got Ralph Fiennes, in my mind, the perfect choice for Voldemort’s final casting. Fiennes manages to capture the extreme highs and lows of a figure who is drunk of his own grandeur, and it never really seems as though he’s putting it on or going too far over the top. (Can you go too far over the top with Voldemort?) The vocal register he chose takes inspiration from Rowling and puts it to excellent use; light and airy, as though he means for you to strain to hear him. The fact that they managed to create a look in makeup and CGI that is both snakelike and workable was such a shock to me the first time I saw the film.
The stand-off between Harry and Voldemort in the graveyard is a bit rushed (they really could have built up more to the reveal of James and Lily), but at least its clear enough to understand. The reentry to Hogwarts following it is perhaps one of the most visceral pieces of the film series. Daniel Radcliffe delivers on Harry’s pain and shock with interest, his most impressive performance in the films up until this point. The choice to zero in on Amos Diggory’s reaction to Cedric’s death is raw and startling, perhaps for its lack of commonplace; movies tend to hone in on the grief of mothers when it comes to children, and even when men are permitted reaction to that kind of loss, it’s often a subdued thing.
Gambon destroys me on the “Remember Cedric Diggory” speech even though the camera spends the majority of it focused on the students and their reactions. The tremor of his voice is honestly all it takes to bring everything home.
And then the movie ends on some really terrible dialogue that’s meant to put the whole story into perspective, but really just comes off as “we weren’t sure how to put a button on this, and we weren’t going to bring Hagrid in at the last second to talk about facing the future, so here’s some stilted dialogue that our poor teenage actors really don’t know what to do with”—
Hermione: Everything is going to change now, isn’t it?
Harry: …Yes.
I mean, it’s not a smudge-screen fade-to-black, but it’s honestly not much better.
Emmet Asher-Perrin honestly thinks it’s all worth it for the moment where Cedric asks Harry how he’s doing, and Harry just deadpans “spectacular.” You can bug her on Twitter and Tumblr, and read more of her work here and elsewhere.
I have to admit, I really don’t get the undying hate this film gets at time. I would say it’s in my top half of the movies. The plot is definitely pared down and streamlined but I fill in the blanks in my head.
This is not to say there aren’t missteps – I was laughing so hard at your description of the boob hats and Durmstrang’s big sticks, as that has been a particular sticking point for me as well. And the Barty Crouch Sr/Jr stories definitely got stripped of some nuance (but, come on – so has the backstory behind James and Sirius and Snape, so I’m kind of used to it at this point).
I kind of like that Neville gets a few chances to shine in this movie; in the book he was a bad dancer if I recall, but he makes a good showing here :)
Cedric is so effing pretty. And the scene where he gives a hand up to Harry after the portkey has me giggling for some reason. I have to assume this movie spawned a boat load of Harry/Cedric slashfic…
The Yule Ball scene is great – my high school years were somewhat mellow compared to others’ but I still had those types of moments, and I remember watching this movie for the first time (I might have been out of college by then…) – it just took me back. It hit the right beats. And I have to say I freaking love Viktor’s little satisfied smirk when he strides off with Hermione on his arm (as object-y as that sounds…I guess I just love that he feels a sense of accomplishment in attending with Hermione). I really wish we could have scene more reactions (esp. from Slytherins) on that scene.
My biggest complaint with that scene wasn’t so much the dress itself, but that it lacked some of the oomph given that Hermione was already gorgeous and fashionable throughout the whole movie anyway. It was the kind of ugly duckling moment I always dreamed of having and never did, so I felt a little robbed that I didn’t get to experience it vicariously in that way. (Also, I totally complained about Harry having the wrong eye color ;) ).
The tournament. I wonder if some of my feelings for this movie are based on how strongly the ending affected me, and so that ends up being my general reaction to the movie. Even before I had kids, that scene where they come back, the band starts playing, everyabody is excited, and then BAM…and then it cuts to poor Amos and his joy being transformed to the worst grief imaginable. I can barely even watch that scene now. It’s too much. And Daniel Radcliffe really does a pretty great job with that scene as well.
Oh, and yes, I hate all the horrible haircuts in this movie too.
Also, my husband and I joke this is the one where Hermione acts with her eyebrows…
The silk robes are in the book though.
Their uniforms are red, like the trail of blood they will leave from the
door to the lake where their ship is parked after they dine on the
bones of newly-sorted First Years.
I know you’re a married lady now, but I <3 YOU
And yes that ending was so stilted. It’s been so long since I’ve seen it that most of the failings you point out I don’t even remember. But I do remember all the things you point out that were exceptional, so that’s probably why!
Why did no one get a haircut this summer?
When I’m flipping through the movies in my mind, this one is Harry Potter and the Unfortunately Long Hair. It distracts me all the time in this movie. Thankfully, in OotP everyone’s gotten a trim.
In re: The Hair
And to think, poor Robert Pattinson, he of the Twilight Hair Insanity, had such a nice uptight trim in this movie.
One of the few things I liked about The Goblet Of Fire moviewas the cutting out of the Ludo Bagman subplot.
Thanks, Emily, I got more joy out of your rewatch of this film than I ever got from watching it.
This is my second favorite HP movie, after PoA. Paring a book that takes several hours to read (on the beach, when I could’ve been surfing) to a 2 hour movie involves considerable compromise.
The Yule Ball is so very high school.
“Everything is going to change now, isn’t it?”
I like that line. There seem, to me, to be several levels to it.
about half the people I knew who were into the books stopped watching the movies after this one, mostly because their individual favorite scene wasn’t in, so they decided it was trash. (the rest fell off on HBP because they had forgotten what the book was like IMO, so I had to see DH I&II by myself) I don’t get it myself, like if they change huge aspects of the story maybe, but they just tweeked it so as to not rival The Cure for Insomnia‘s running length, and that’s okay. Think of the movies like the Cliff Notes of the books (as you should always approach adaptations of novels)
I think most of the reason this movie gets so much fan hate is that they had to cut so much. It really would have been better served to be cut into two parts (and these days it probably would be, now that Peter Jackson has shown that it can be done). If you include the Qudditch Cup and the Winky storyline in detail to lengthen the beginning, then the most obvious break point would be right after the first Task. Harry is triumphant and we end on a high note.
The Yule Ball (another possible break point if you want to end the first film on a down note) is even more perfect than in the book. I think that’s because there are so many visual cues that just can’t show up in writing. The way the boys are sitting and ignoring their dates, just a lot of things.
The casting is good, though I have some odd reactions. Brendan Gleeson is absolutely perfect for Moody. Unfortunately, Roger Lloyd Pack was very well known to me as Owen from The Vicar of Dibley. As a result, I kept expecting him to apologize for being late and explain that he’d had his arm up a sheep or something. As for Ralph Fiennes, I am always confused when I see him in anything else. His nose throws me off every time.
Good post!
I wished they would have included the Winky subplot! It really was an important part of the plot! And how the kitchens would have looked with all the house elves bustling round and Winky not dealing well with freedom . . . .
It was fun to see actors from other shows.
Good soundtrack! Especially during the World Cup scene.
Shouty Dumbledore–not as effective as Quiet Dumbledore would have been.
Too bad we didn’t get to see Hermione capture Rita Skeeter in Animagus form, and explain the bug in the jar on the train journey back to King’s Cross, lol.
Yes, the ending . . . .
I didn’t notice the color change in Hermione’s dress. But the change from Everyday Appearance Hermione to Yule Ball Appearance Hermoine could have been much more distinct.
@12, oh, yes, when Roger Lloyd Pack’s name appeared onscreen at the film’s start, I cracked up thinking of the Vicar episode in which Owen quotes from Buddy Holly’s “Raining in My Heart,” and the consequences of the rest of that scene, lol.
My big problems with this movie were outlined in the review above. Mainly the changes to Dumbledore and then the absolute inanity of the dragon flight as well as the rest of the tasks. If they had trimmed the 1st task and made it less dumb, that would have given more time for characterization for other parts of the book. This movie also felt the most time compressed for me. The other movies at least mostly feel like a school year. This one felt like 2 weeks…tops. And that really bugs me. The pacing was just way off. That said, pretty much everything you praise about it, Emily, I think was really well done. Just not enough to make me like the movie. The only one I dislike more than this one is Deathly Hallows Pt. 1, for the obvious money-grubbing reason.
The film’s main disappointment for me was the warping of the Tasks — overdramatizing the First, minimizing the Third, and somehow doing both at once with the Second (i.e. too much battle with grindylows, too little scenery). Also cutting the World Cup game, which might’ve been necessary for conciseness but would’ve been fun to watch, and I don’t even like watching sports.
No complaints about the haircuts, though. I like long hair on a man. ;-)
Something that started tickling over in my brain around this film was the question “If it weren’t for the books, would anyone go see this film?”
There is little to no introduction for first viewers, the plot points jar rather than flow, characterization is very light. It works because it assumes that you have read the books and seen the previous films and are taking it all in from there, but without the books to guide a viewer and expand what is happening, and judged just on its own, it is a much much weaker film.
Having been a school child at the time this film was made in England I can see why the hairstyles happened. There was one year when EVERYONE just had hair like that. It was a thing.
Oh, actually, I think my least favorite part of this movie is Moaning Myrtle. I just really do NOT like the way the actress portrays her – it’s a huge dissonance from how I imagined it, and her giggle is downright annoying. I recall this from the second movie as well, but it just seems more pronounced here.
Oh, and yes to the dragon ridiculousness and everybody (especially the authorities) just hanging out in the stands, and not, oh, I don’t know, FREAKING OUT because a dragon is completely on the loose and terrorizing school property??? Or at least bothering to make somewhat sure Harry didn’t fall off the roof and die? If this were GoT, some first year would have been eaten ;)
Plus, I really hate ‘action’ scenes with fake suspense. You KNOW Harry is going to live, so it was just dumb.
The hair…THE HAIR. I will defend their hair far more loudly than is necessary. I actually love how terrible it is because, aside from the Yule Ball drama, I think it’s actually the most natural indicator of the age that these kids are. 14 is such a specialized time of life. Everything is amorphous and in-between and parts of your body are trying to outrace the other parts of your body in a contest of I Can Be Biggest and MAN, you are just trying to keep your head above water until someone throws you a friggin’ rope.
So of course their hair is unruly and silly and out of control. It’s just like their direction in life! Nothing has solidified yet.
This is one of the aspects I really love about books 4 and 5, as well, how Rowling takes the rarified emotional state of the kids into account with the plot. They spend book 4 just trying EVERYTHING out and stepping into a larger world in an attempt to figure out what they want to pursue; to find some solidity while their world expands. Then Voldemort returns and their direction is decided. Sorry, kids, but your future is wartime. Now it’s time to rage against those boundaries like an adolescent ought to!
@10, That comic is wrong, they do have a song.
@@@@@ 19 – Hogwarts is well north of the Wall. If this were GoT, the entire cast would be White Walkers by now and the Whomping Willow would be white with red leaves and would weep red sap. And the Beauxbatons students would have a point when they complained about the cold.
@19, Didn’t you read the post? Durmstrang already ate the first years.
OOPS.
@20, totally agree about the hair. Though I didn’t see it as just a sign of chaotic puberty, but also the desire of kids at that age to try any kind of style change that they think will distinguish them from the little kids they used to be.
@17 I never read the books and still saw all the films.
And yes, GoF was one of the worst offenders in terms of “I have no idea what’s going on”. My friends who did read the books had to explain a bit to me to clarify some things (mostly, iirc, about the Crouch Sr/Jr thing). But in general, I accept them for what they are — kids’ movies. And while the plot and pacing for GoF was not the best, it still made a coherent story.
Still overall I think this is lower on my list of HP movies. Well, it’s kind of hard to say since my rating is basically:
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I always thought the hair thing was because grown up wizards had long hair, and the director thoughts the kids should start.
Wronski Fient!! I would have loved to see Harry do that. It would have cut the running time of the first task and made it even more awesome in the movie.
Also, the graveyard scene makes up for the deficiencies of thw third task. Ralph Fiennes remains one of the best casting choices for the movies.
Point to note: I saw a flag of India in the quidditch world cup, which is definitely odd because Rowling mentions in Quidditch Through The Ages that they never got over flying carpets.
@21: That’s the Sluggy Freelance parody, actually. Hogwarts might have a song, but Hoggelrynth does not.
I am very glad that someone else thinks as I do on the “Dumbledore shouting” thing, because I find the fandom’s reaction to that very strange. Dumbledore is a stand-in parent in many ways, and parents get angry at their children doing stupid things that endanger their lives, because basically, parents are often powerless. Him getting angry was entirely the right choice by the writers, director, actor, whoever decided that.
Emily, you nailed it.
The only thing I have to add is that the compression and dismantling of the plot will be a recurring thing for movies 5 and 6. The return to more straightforward adaptations for films 7 and 8 are actually a misstep, in my opinion. There are significant portions of the final book that drag and flirt precariously with boredom that I would have preferred the movie as one film, rather than two.
Watching it this time, I don’t think Dumbledore even shouted that much, really.
This is the movie that actually got me truly interested in the HP franchise, and outright excited to see what happens next. So much so that I even agreed to read the books when Lisamarie said I had to before seeing the fifth film. The scene with Cedric’s body and Amos and all of that gets me every time, but it was especially hard this time, having kids. I think the graveyard scene was also pretty cool too. Too bad we don’t get Dumbledore’s chamber pots line though.
Oh, I like how the flags at the end are black Hogwarts flags, but they don’t say “Hogwarts,” just “H,” so it could totally be for “Hufflepuff” too. : )
I love that moment with Hermione on the stairs. I haven’t watched this movie in yeeeeears (it’s not my favorite of them), but that moment has stuck with me. It’s a nice little addition that wasn’t there in the books, and it makes the whole fight between Hermione and Ron extra painful. You two.
One thing that I do genuinely like about the film, despite its faults as described above, is that besides all the character moments pointed out. . .to my eyes it was the first one of the films that genuinely felt English. Not just “place where people have funny or sexy accents because fantasy”, but “real country with subtly different cultural mores to America where real contemporary life does actually happen”. Such a pity that same wasn’t true of the depiction of the rest of Europe. . . .
But one REALLY ANNOYING THING that I can’t stand. Exactly why did whoever made pronunciation decisions water down the impact of Brendan Gleeson’s performance by making everyone think his character’s first name is the decidedly non-scary Alistair? AlAStor (rare Aeschylean Greek word roughly equivalent to “destroying angel”) is one of Rowling’s best personal name coinages.
Loved the summary, Emily. Great as always. I have several issues with this movie. But then again, I am one of those fans who would have loved to have every single thing from the book portrayed in the movie so… I liked the movie, but there was just so much missing and I can never watch it with out my brain pointing out everything that is changed or missing…
I will say that while I enjoyed the Harry Potter books I did not internalize them the same way I had Lord of the Rings, or the Chronicles of Narnia or whatever, so I never found the movies to be problematic, just really fun.
May I suggest (propose?) a live re-watch of one of the future films, with a live blog? It’s been done on different sites, obviously you (the essay writer) would have seen the film and have your thoughts ready, but I think it would be conducive, community wise, to more interaction (although it might break the server here and you might need to push the live blog comments elsewhere?)
In any event, I’ll offer this. I had only seen the first two movies, on DVD, right before catching film three in theaters as a digital release. I felt like parts of film 3 were confusing but we’re talking minor parts, mainly because I didn’t read the books until after seeing the three movies (and back to back, at that). I have good friends who have not read any of the books but love the movies and often would ask me questions (a popular one being why did Harry end up with the wand) as they know I not only read but parsed the books, etc. These friends seem to have no real questions on this film in excess of what they had of others.
To me, having decided to read the book before watching the film (but forcing myself to hold off on reading Book 5 until I watched the film, my thoughts were that the Quidditch World Cup was shortened, the maze was changed far too much, what got cut (for example, Ludo’s sub-plot) was mostly ok if I didn’t sit to compare the exact differences, except for the house elf plot points. The death of a key player loses some of its punch because he was intentional sliced out (and that another player was only minimally inserted in film 6, versus his book 6 portrayal).
I have long thought that when they go to remake the books once again, as they will assuredly do as some point, probably far sooner versus later, the books would be better served to be made into a 7 year long TV show, on cable, with say a 10-13 long episode run for each book. Yet, I’ve actually said this, on a few occassions, to hard core book fans who also generally enjoy the movies and they essentially balk with “too soon” being the most commonish feel to the reaction.
As others have stated, there are a number of small moments in this particular film that I enjoyed but it’s definitely towards the bottom of my list; my one issue with the particular DD moment referenced is not that specific instance but the entire characterization of DD, even taking into account the change of characters, in POA (for example, the conversation about dreams), he’s one type of DD and in this film he’s a different one. I know folks also fault Gambon because he didn’t bother reading the books but I do think his agent or manager should have done some of this to give him some feedback, it’s pretty basic to what folks do who have no concept of source material.
I might have a different perspective on the movie franchise and I’d like to get responses if anyone else had similar situations. This is the last movie in the franchise that I watched without having read the books. I really enjoyed every movie up to this point immensely, especially this one and PoA. So much so that after this movie I decided to read all the books. Consequently I was extremely disappointed with the screen writing and final result with all the movies after this. I could pick out all the subplots that they just destroyed (why even show Kreacher if you’re not going to utilize his storyline!), but I wonder if they wrote these movies mainly for people who hadn’t read the books, missing the fact that this series was such a phenomenon (which will never be duplicated). I think that’s why I loved the first four movies, having the blissfulness of ignorance, and was extremely let down by the last four. Anyone else have a similar experience with the movies, having seen so many up to a point before reading the series? And if so, what was the last movie seen before reading the book and did you enjoy the movie better having not read said book?
@38 – I think I agree with your premise. I came in after OOTP when my oldest daughter was starting to get into the movies and books. So I enjoyed (and still enjoy) movies 1-5 quite a lot, and 6-8 much less, for pretty much the same reasons (Daniel Radcliffe also seemed stoned, or at least extremely bored, in HBP)…
Again, I also disliked Dumbledore calling Beauxbatons “Bow-battens.” I know the British like to pointedly Anglicize French words (at least my British professors do) but Dumbledore wouldn’t be so discourteous.
A newbie here. As someone who was also disappointed in the ending, I’ve long wondered about what might have been in the alternative ending that was shot with Harry alone at the waterfall struggling to come to terms with what had happened, then joined by a very worried Ron and Hermione. All we have of it are stills and some reports that it tested poorly in screenings–likely because it was a downer. But the ending actually used is so falsely upbeat–it could have used something as somber as the close of Deathly Hallows I. And the stills suggest that the scene had the potential to be one of those sweetly tender depictions of friendship that make the whole Potter saga so special
@40, If you don’t mind what is the appropriate pronunciation, because that’s how I say it.
@38 – I had a somewhat kind of similar experience. I read the first book before the movies started coming out, and was “eh” on it. I was at a particular age where the “whimsicalness” of everything just didn’t click with me, and to this day, I find there are parts of the first book that are a little too whacky for me. But I watched the first two movies when they were released on home video. Then the PoA came out. I was in high school, and a group of my friends wanted to go see it, so I said “Yeah, okay, why not?” I LOOOOOVED that movie so much, we went to Wal-Mart right after and I bought the Goblet of Fire book. And then I went back and read the books I missed. When the GoF movie came out, I went to the midnight release and LOOOOOOOVED it. I hadn’t been all THAT crazy about the book, finding it one of my least favorites of the bunch. I blame that mostly on how annoying I found Hermione’s House Elf subplot, and the fact that they cut it from the movie? That was golden for me. Revisiting the book just a few months ago, I was actually shocked by how small that subplot actually was compared to what I remembered it being, and how it wasn’t nearly as annoying. As an adult now, I actually REALLY enjoyed the GoF book way more than I did when I first read it all those years ago.
But back to the movies. Every movie after GoF I found disappointing on an initial watch, ESPECIALLY OotP, but watching them repeatedly has grown my appreciation for them. I say they were disappointing, but I still enjoy watching them anyway. But, yeah, they just feel way more “condensed” than the other films felt.
I still say GoF is probably my favorite of the movies, silly hairdoes and angry Dumbledore and everything.
@43, I have always found that unpleasant parts of any story tend to loom larger in our minds than they truly are.
@30, For me it’s just that it’s so different from how I expect DD to act. In the books he takes everything calmly, when he gets worried about things he doesn’t show it. The few times he does get noticeably angry it’s “cold fury” – he wouldn’t shout at Harry and he certainly wouldn’t shove him like he does in the movie. He’s got more control than that (at least that’s how I view him).
But for all that, this is actually one of my favourite HP movies :)
@42: I’m not sure how best to write the French pronunciation phonetically, but I think the “s” would be silent and the “n” softened.
My high school French is WAY behind me, but I think the pronounciation should sound something like this: BowBatawns, with the accent on the last syllable and the “s” almost silent. And yeah, DD’s pronounciation bothered me a lot.
Odd, that with such a long article and 47 replies that nobody has mentioned why this is a standout in the series – truly fine Director Mike Newell! Along with Cuaron, Newell is a Director with an excellent and diverse resume (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Donnie Brasco). I thought he brought a lot of cinematic maturity to the series. It may not satisfy the nitpickers as much as some of the others in the franchise, but GOBLET still stands out.
@42,46: It’s [bob?.t??]. Which obviously doesn’t help much if you don’t know how to pronounce that sound. But the s is indeed silent, and the n is not pronounced as such.
The IPA for Beauxbatons is /bobat??/ (the last character is a nasal o).
@50: Thank you for completing, it is indeed /bob?.t??/. I should have known square brackets wouldn’t work.
I think my biggest issue with this film is the pacing. As a result of the necessary cuts, it feels very rushed, a string of “and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and the end”, with few of the individual scenes outside the big action set pieces (ie the tournament) allowed much time to breathe.
And, of course, a lot of the things I like about the book, specifically the sense of mounting dread and “been there before, here we go again” gets downplayed or cut out, but I can’t really hold that against the film. They’re book elements that aren’t as important to the story the movie was trying to tell.
I do love a lot of the little touches and details; this is the first film where Hogwarts feels like a boarding school filled with teens, and the Yule Ball in particular did a lot to sell that idea visually.
Most of the little things I can hand wave away, but Dumbledore’s pronounciation of Beaubatons, right or wrong, still bugs me.
As for the Beauxbatons pronunciation, yeah, it’s not correct, but so many people pronounce French wrong, so it didn’t really bother me. I don’t know much about British culture, but I could accept a British person pronouncing a French word wrong as easily as I might accept a Texan doing it. Maybe since they are just across a stretch of water from France, though, you might think he’d be more sensitive, but, eh.
My problem is that the school isn’t called, “Bellesbaguettesmagiques.”
@37 fds I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion to make the books into a cable series. It would be wonderful to see an in-depth look at the books portrayed in high-def!
@26 Naupathia ….and I certainly do agree with your film rating from the best to all the rest! :)
Not knowing a thing about French, in my mind I pronounced the girls’ school as “bo-BA (short a sound) ton. When the name was spoken in the film I thought it was me who didn’t pronounce it correctly.
I’m not sure if there were two or three books out when I read an article in “Time” magazine about the HP phenomena, but at that point I ordered the books from my book club and got to reading. I always read all the books when a new one came out and am in the process of reading them all again on my Kindle. The first two books came across more as children’s books before GoF introduced the fact people do die, even in children’s fantasy books. By the final book there was a veritable bloodbath.
Having watched the film’s a couple hundred times….. each (I simply must watch them every few weeks – my husband of 42-years makes so much fun of me), it might seem I would be highly qualified to pass judgment on the film’s. Alas, I’m too much of a HP junkie, so that makes me inherently biased. Having said that, GoF isn’t a favorite like PoA and the two “Deathly Hallows” are. I was disappointed Winky wasn’t in the film, as well as annoyed parts of the movie would be hard to grasp if the book hadn’t been read first. Before each film I reread the book, so I could follow the action coherently, but my husband didn’t and he was confused at times, since he only read the books once as they were published.
I agree with other assessments of the film…. not enough Quidditch, too much Dragon chase and no Winky! Plus, Ron’s whininess always gets to me! There are times I’ve wanted to tell him to shut up already!
The comics are hilarious :)
It was a lot of fun to read the film ReRead! I went back and read about two of the other films and have one more to read to be caught up.
I hated hated HATED the scene with Hermione sobbing on the stairs (and no, it didn’t put me off the films or anything – it just p!ssed me off). I feel like it basically inverted what was a very powerful moment for Hermione in the book. In the book, she was SHOUTING at Ron in the Gryfindor common room during a “blazing row.” And yes, she was very emotional but so was Ron and she wasn’t collapsing into a sobbing lump. Harry thinks that Hermione had “gotten the point” about her relationship with Ron much better than Ron had. Hermione was showing personal agency and, in the best teen-aged way she could, confronting the person she loved and taking him to task for the way he treated her. The film Hermione being shoeless and sobbing on the steps bothered me on a very fundamental level – like she’d “internalized” Ron’s rejection and was wrecked by it. I FAR prefer an angry Hermione who knows her own worth, knows Ron’s worth, and kind of knows their love for each other and is frustrated that he hasn’t “gotten the point” yet. :)
Yes! to 55. Book Hermione was not a fashion plate, sobbing female — real life Emma Watson made fun of the nerdiness of the written character and refused to wear the clothes, etc. I liked book Hermione, with her nerdiness, her shouting, her real toughness.
HA! Just rewatching the end of this right now, and when they deduce Moody used Polyjuice Potion, Dumbledore says “Well now we know who was getting into your stores, Severus”
Snape and Harry exchange a look behind Dumbledore’s back that is just hilarious for the shared loathing that it has, Snape so disappointed he can’t blame Harry, Harry all ticked off that somebody WAS stealing from Snape.