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Welcome back to the Words of Radiance Reread on Tor.com! Last time we were together, Kaladin went out for drinks with the guys and met some decidedly problematic patriots. This week, Shallan continues her researches into Urithiru and Lightweaving, with dubious help from Pattern.

This reread will contain spoilers for The Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, and any other Cosmere book that becomes relevant to the discussion. The index for this reread can be found here, and more Stormlight Archive goodies are indexed here.

Click on through to join the discussion.

 

 

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Chapter 47: Feminine Wiles

Point of View: Shallan
Setting: Sebarial’s manor & warcamp
Symbology: Pattern, Paliah, Shalash

IN WHICH there are maps, maps, maps—all showing Urithiru in different places; Pattern reads Dawnchant, because patterns; Vorin name games are weird; connections between the Urithiru legends begin to take shape; Shallan takes a bath; Pattern is disconcertingly curious about human anatomy, especially the private bits; Shallan realizes that she will probably never return to Jah Keved, considers her efforts to communicate with her brothers, and begins to develop plans to bring them to join her instead; she hurriedly prepares to meet her betrothed, wondering how to go about this wooing gig; on her way out, she wonders about Sebarial and Palona, and how such a smart man could have such chaotic ledgers; getting into the carriage, she checks with her soldiers and slaves to see how they are doing—well—and then proceeds to spend the ride playing with Stormlight; after some consideration, she decides not to use illusion as makeup when she meets Adolin.

 

Quote of the Week

“How do you reach a city if not by roads?” Shallan asked. “Nohadon could walk there, or so he claimed. But others do not speak of riding, or walking, to Urithiru.” True, there were few accounts of people visiting the city. It was a legend. Most modern scholars considered it a myth.

She needed more information. She scrambled over to Jasnah’s trunk, digging out one of her notebooks. “She said that Urithiru wasn’t on the Shattered Plains,” Shallan said, “but what if the pathway to it is here? Not an ordinary pathway, though. Urithiru was the city of Surgebinders. Of ancient wonders, like Shardblades.”

“Mm…” Pattern said softly. “Shardblades are no wonder…”

Shallan found the reference she was searching for. It wasn’t the quote she found curious, but Jasnah’s annotation of it. Another folktale, this one recorded in Among the Darkeyed, by Calinam. Page 102. Stories of instantaneous travel and the Oathgates pervade these tales.

Instantaneous travel. Oathgates.

“That’s what she was coming here for,” Shallan whispered. “She thought she could find a passageway here, on the Plains. But they’re barren stormlands, just stone, crem, and greatshells.” She looked up at Pattern. “We really need to get out there, onto the Shattered Plains.”

Two lovely little bits of foreshadowing here that I just have to point out.

“Shardblades are no wonder…”—not when you’ve been one, I guess. Thanks for the hint, Pattern, but I still didn’t catch on for a long time.

The whole thing of reaching a city not by roads, of a pathway from the Shattered plains, of ancient wonders, of instantaneous travel, of Oathgates… When I first read this, I had no idea how Brandon was going to make this happen. Sometimes I’m really glad I don’t figure these things out from the hints and foreshadows; discovering it along with Shallan was way better than merely having my suspicions confirmed! (On the other hand, I vaguely recall figuring out just enough about the Blades to be completely blown away by a) being right and b) getting a fulfillment so vastly grander than I suspected.)

 

Commentary

Research into the location of Urithiru now begins in earnest, as Shallan gets out every map she’s been able to acquire. The antics of cartographers are understandable, if annoying: most of them apparently consider their own land to be the most important, and therefore draw it at a larger scale than the rest of the world. Not quite sure how that works… I guess everything else just gets misshapen. The funny part is that none of them seem to claim that Urithiru is within their borders—it’s always just outside. That still places it all over the where, with no two maps agreeing. Poor Shallan.

Knowing what we know, of course, it makes a lot more sense; no one is quite sure exactly where it is, but each country (of the ten Silver Kingdoms, anyway) had a gateway that could get you there. It would be interesting to see all those maps; did they typically place Urithiru just outside the border nearest the location of their own Oathgate?

I wonder if the next book will show us Navani and Pattern working together to figure out the Dawnchant completely. Pattern is so adorably smug about it:

“You are not as good with patterns. You are abstract. You think in lies and tell them to yourselves. That is fascinating, but it is not good for patterns.”

Oddly enough, this is what segues into the best deduction Shallan has yet made—that Pattern’s way of looking at things, of seeing patterns but not metaphors, is the correct approach to “the pathway to Urithiru.”

Incidentally, I love the way Brandon stuck inconsistencies and general weirdness into the linguistics. Poor Pattern; not only do people have too many names (in this case, Nohadon), but the honorific name the ardents came up with to meet the need for symmetry isn’t symmetrical unless you understand the quirk about the h sound. So apparently, Nohadon would actually be written Nodadon or something like that. (Unfortunately, my computer doesn’t do the diacritical markings… or not without getting into more tomfoolery than I’m up for. I’ll just italicize it, okay?) So a Vorin speaker would see Nodadon, which is all lovely symmetry, and say Nohadon, which is by definition (and by definition only!) symmetrical. Obviously. Poor Pattern. At least he gets her back by recognizing the way in which the various scripts derive from the Dawnchant. Obviously.

Other tidbits: Shallan has set in motion the means to reconnect with her brothers after the loss of her half of their original spanreed, and plans to try to persuade them to leave the family estates and join her instead. Presumably, all this was done with the stipend Sebarial is indeed paying her—along with buying replacements for as many of the lost books as she could find.

Her slaves and soldiers seem to be doing well; the slave En even smiles at her, as he begins to get used to a much more pleasant mistress than he’s had for a long, long time. Vathah is grumpy, as is his habit; I can’t remember off the top of my head what finally shakes him out of it. (If anything.) And it still feels odd to read Gaz as a sympathetic character, given the way he was presented in The Way of Kings. He chuckles, he has an ear for wordplay, he eagerly searches out the books she wants. I still want to know more of his backstory; is this his natural self, and the foul-tempered lout of the previous book merely the effect of the debts? I can’t help thinking there’s more to his story. But it probably doesn’t matter.

 

Stormwatch

This is the next day, after Kaladin’s meet-up with the self-styled “patriots.”

 

Sprenspotting

I have to say, Shallan’s bath is much more entertaining than Elayne’s… mostly by virtue of her efforts to convince herself that there’s no need to be embarrassed by Pattern’s presence despite his masculine voice and identification. After all, the tub and the walls had spren, and that wasn’t a problem…

Shallan’s bath was also a lot shorter.

 

Ars Arcanum

This is rather a breakthrough chapter for Shallan. Not only does she begin to piece together the Urithiru puzzle, she makes progress on her Lightweaving and even figures out how to withdraw the Stormlight from an Illusion and make it go away. Short of draining every sphere in range, anyway, which is pretty much what always happened before.

She does have a block, though, that reminds me very much of the Aes Sedai weaving the One Power: she needs to sketch something in order to create an Illusion. Pattern indicates that it shouldn’t be necessary—which also answers an earlier debate about how someone like Elhokar could become a Lightweaver with no artistic training. Most Lightweavers don’t need to draw before they can create an Illusion. (Or, presumably, do any other creative artwork.) But for Shallan, it’s necessary. For now, at least… though I do have some hope that she’ll get over that as she grows into greater acceptance of who she is. Which reminds me…

“I’m quite good at that (inhaling Stormlight),” Shallan said sourly, “considering how short a time I’ve been doing it.”

“Short time?” Pattern said. “But we first…”

She stopped listening until he was done.

Argh.

 

Heraldic Symbolism

Paliah probably reflects the Scholar, as Shallan digs through all the maps and other information she has available, returning to the search for the way to Urithiru. Shalash, presumably, is the Artist and Lightweaver, as Shallan does a fair amount of both sketching and practicing.

 

Words of Radiants

Yet, were the orders not disheartened by so great a defeat, for the Lightweavers provided spiritual sustenance; they were enticed by those glorious creations to venture on a second assault.

—From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10

It never ceases to amaze me how much difference a single word can make in the tone of a sentence. “Enticed” makes me deeply distrustful of the Lightweavers in this scenario, whatever it was. Or maybe it’s just that the writer didn’t approve of the second assault. Or trust the Lightweavers. I have to keep reminding myself that the author of the in-book book is not, perhaps, the most reliable of narrators.

 

Shipping Wars

Shallan’s thoughts at the end of the chapter are thoroughly endearing, at least to me. Like most girls, she’s been comparing herself to the other women in the vicinity, and comes up short—both literally and figuratively (double meaning intended)—in her own estimation. It’s only reasonable that she would consider using her Lightweaving to just… augment things a little, here and there. Wisely, even though she calls herself foolish for it, she chooses to refrain and meet Adolin unenhanced. Also, this:

She’d have to rely, instead, upon her feminine wiles.

She wished she knew if she had any.

Heh.

 

There. That ought to keep us busy until next week, when we again go back in time to the darkening world that is the Davar family estate. Steel yourselves… but for now, head for the comment section and have fun!

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9 years ago

I really enjoyed seeing Gaz’s development. In WoK, he struck me as someone white would have been an okay person in better circumstances. His involvement in the atrocity of the bridge runs, which I don’t think he volunteered for, ruined him.

In a way, his story is a foil for Kaladin’s. When exposed to corruption, Kaladin rises and fights. Gaz falls and becomes corrupted. We all hope we’d respond like Kaladin, but history shows that all too many of us respond like Gaz.

But that means Gaz isn’t beyond redemption, and he starts to become a good person again when exposed to a hero. I absolutely love the earlier scene when Shallan turns the deserters. I think the key to any story about heroes, especially superpowered ones, is how they elevate normal people. 

wcarter
9 years ago

Sadeas poisons everything he touches. Little wonder that the life and mental disposition of a crippled solider like Gaz would go downhill when given a crap job that amounts to little more than lining up human beings to run into a wood chipper. Especially with the full knowledge that he could put in that line himself at any time.

In some ways Shallan’s ability to repress are every bit as crippling and unhealthy as Kaladin’s prejudices. Fortunately for her, she finally listens to Pattern before she ends up damaging the bond. 

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STBLST
9 years ago

Wet, you mentioned linguistics in connection with the Nohadon reignal name.  You assumed that the name is basically a Sanderson palindrome with the ‘h’ being really more of a ‘d’ character.  Then both the ‘h’ and ‘d’ in Nohadon could be more like Nodhadhon, with the ‘dh’ sounding like the ‘th’ in ‘the’.  In terms of word play, the best that I thought of was the demon (Unmade), ‘dai-gonarthis’.  This name can be easily rearranged to ‘a dig on his art’.  If so, one can speculate on the subject of Sanderson’s humor.  Is it self-referential, or is he commenting on an early drawing of the demon?  The other Unmade names that we have encountered (except for Yelignar) are biblical in origin [Moelach for the biblical Canaanite deity, Molech (Moloch); Nergaol for the Babylonian deity, Nergal; and Re-Shephir for the biblical demon, Reshef]. 

ChocolateRob
9 years ago

um, Elayne who?

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The other Jacob
9 years ago

Shallan’s relationship with the fallen-yet-redeemable crew here so closely reminds me of what Spirit does with the Elantrians.  

I know there was something else I meant to say here as well, but that’s all for now. Thanks!

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9 years ago

Alice, I must say I was glad you included this small tip-bit about Shallan thinking of “enhancing” herself upon going to her first “official” date with Adolin. This may not appear as such an important part of the story, but I found myself strongly relating to Shallan here. Being self-conscious about your physical appearance and comparing yourself (always to the negative) with the other women (which are, of course, all more beautiful than you) is so typical of young women, I could not feel but applaud.

I absolutely loved this passage. Here we have Shallan whom is small per Alethi standard, whom has pale skin, freckles, red hair and willowy figure when the ideal would want her to be taller, tanner, darker and more curvaceous. She wears her hair down when the latest fashion calls for complicated braided hair-does. She is about to date a handsome rich prince so of course she would ponder on her physical appearance! Her qualm as to whether or not to enlarge certain “attributes, made me think of teenage girls who used to stuck kleenex you know where to make them appear “fuller”. We keep forgetting, at times, that Shallan is a very young girl, only 17 years of age.

It also made me root even more for the Adolin/Shallan ship as the union of the most un-Alethi looking woman with the most un-Alethi looking Alethi man does have its appeal.

dwcole
9 years ago

Tisk tisk picking on Jordan and his love of writing bathing scenes and having his female characters play with hair and hrmph.  I mean I agree with you but still….

Interesting on the drawing being like a one power block had not thought of that.  The differences between the magic systems in Sanderson make it interesting to see how he is going to work them all together in the cosmere.  Do you loose one magic if you leave the planet?  Do you gain another?  Might be important for space travel stuff not sure.  Anyway entertaining as always and don’t be too hard on Shallan becoming ok with who you are things you have done in the past is a life journey for everyone … and most of us (I hope) didn’t kill our mothers…

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9 years ago

IMO, the wisest thing Shallan did in this chapter was Alice’s last point in her summary: deciding not to use illusions as makeup for her date with Adolin.  Part of the problem that Adolin had with the other women he courted was that (at least in his mind), they were fake.  They put on a mask (in the figurative sense; not literal or magical).  These women tried to be something they were not.  Eventually Adolin discovered who they “truly” were and lost interest.  

(Of course, the fault in the courtship was probably more Adolin’s than the women.  He is a flirt and has a wondering eye.  This puts of most women he tried to court.  When I say that he was a flirt and has a wondering eye I do not mean to imply that he was trying to cheat. Rather Adolin has an outgoing personality.  He tries to be friendly with everybody and that gets him in trouble.)

Alice, I disagree with your about what Pattern meant when he said that “Shardblades are no wonder.”  I think Pattern is referring to the fact that the Shardblade most people associate when think about one (i.e. the one that requires 10 heartbeats to produce) are the essence of dead/broken spren.  Hence the reason that Pattern does not think highly of them.

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
aka the musespren

FenrirMoridin
9 years ago

Oh, little dig at WoT XD  
Although they’re both epic fantasy, Stormlight Archive and WoT don’t ever feel that comparable to me…but then just a change of aesthetic is a huge help.

It amuses me to think of how often Pattern and Shallan probably end up having this privacy discussion…and how often Pattern probably breaks it to peep on other people from sheer curiosity anyways.  Knowing Sebarial he’d just find it flattering, at least until Palona’s snappy comeback to whatever he would say!

 

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9 years ago

@7 Oh I agree about Shallan being wiser than her years. Had I dispose of such an easy mean to alter my appearance when I was her age, I sure would have used it. I am glad Shallan decided otherwise as one of the reasons Adolin started to crush on her is due to her natural, genuine personality, a complete change from the superficial women he has been dating so far.

In a few chapters, we are going to have so much fun… I can’t wait.

@8 Why does Adolin fail at courtship so much? I feel we could write an essay on it, but here are a few thoughts on the matter. I believe one of the reasons he messes up so much is due to the conflict between his outside persona and his inside one. We have hints, all through books, Adolin is projecting the opposite emotion to the one he is truly feeling. For instance, he acts overly confident when he is doubting himself, he hides his fears, he claims indifference towards his inability to find himself a wife, he acts dumb and refuses to show any wit, all in all, he wraps himself into what he perceives as strength. Whatever weakness he has, he puts it away. As a result, he can’t open up to people (even with his family) because it would require him to become vulnerable. However, in order to progress in a relationship, in order to develop this “special connection”, you need to do just that. Hence, Adolin is stuck on first base and he can’t move past it, but pretends it’s by his own decree he remains behind. 

As for his wandering eye, it is interesting to note many of his in-book courtships were initiated by the women and not him (Janala, Danlan), which is why Dalinar attempted to steer his son away from the hands of the opportunists. I often feel his “reputation” is over-done. 

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9 years ago

If you try to draw a globe on flat paper, some lands will always be distorted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection

Why does the comment box no longer have buttons to insert links or images?

Braid_Tug
9 years ago

“Short time?” Pattern said. “But we first…”

She stopped listening until he was done.

This really highlights how deeply and automatically Shallan’s defense acts. A different type of block. Much like Dalinar’s issues with his wife’s memory, but from an internal source.

Alice, I really like your comparing her drawing to an Aes Sedai block. Hope she doesn’t have to drown to overcome it. :-D

 

My Kindle says this chapter is the 50% point of the book.     So much has just gotten started.
Rather tells us how much Brandon packs into the last half of the book.  But it is also one of the best ending lines of a non-action chapter.

 This is the second time in two weeks I’ve read a story that has a female interpret male grunts as a language. One because the female works in a “boys club” profession, so she had to learn the language of grunts.

Guys on the list, a question: How many of you speak “grunt”?  

 

P.S. I almost lost my post.  But the site didn’t do anything when I hit “post comment”, so I copied it to Word real fast.   Then had to mess around on Tor before coming back to post.   Major downside of the new site.  :-(

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9 years ago

birgit @13
My comment box has those features available.  Having said that, some features and functionality seem to come and go on an almost daily basis in Tor’s new and improved website.  Or depending on your browser or platform.  The site is most definitely slower to respond now.  And I have to agree with travyl’s (I think it was) gripe a while back that the small font when typing a comment is a pain.  Perhaps an email to the webmaster is in order.

Braid_Tug @14
Re: Your PS…I have had that happen too.  Usually my comment is still there and actually posted if I refresh my browser.  As above, we should keep the webmaster in the loop about disturbances in the Force.  I know it’s often difficult for us non-techies to describe problems in terms that a IT techie will understand–  ;-)  ;-)  –just sayin’.

And all I’ve got to say about the re-read this week–because y’all covered the rest of it so well–is:  SHALLAN!!!  I really wanted to hear (well, you know) what Pattern was going to tell you about your “short time” comment!!!!

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9 years ago

I have troubles to merge the image I have form WOK Gaz with what we’ve seen in WoR so far, him being friendly, and chuckling. I just don’t buy that the men I “saw” (POV) in WoK would change / develop into this man even after escaping the hell he lived through in Sadeas’s camp. He was willfully mean to Kaladin. No it does’nt feel like the same man. (I’ll stop now).

Considering that I don’t understand half of what we’ve read from the in-book book quotes of WoR so far, I’m not as disappointed as Shallan that she hasn’t found a copy of the book yet ;)

Braid @14: glad you liked the ending of the chapter. When I reached this chapter’s end, I was … annoyed, that the chapter did end where it did. I’ve commented on it before and I’m hesitant to crizicize Brandon, but here he pulled me out of one storyarc (to move to another character) as soon as I felt comfortable with it, instead of “staying in the scene” and continuing on with Shallan for the date …
I can’t help but feel that the short chapters lessend the “emotional impact” a bit.

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9 years ago

Braid_Tug @14

I’m a man of few words but I picked up the grunt language after I was married. My wife is long winded and I happily oblige/encourage that trait in her. She seems to understand the dialect. It works. The dad in The Secret World of Arriety is probably my favorite grunt communicator.

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9 years ago

Yay, I’m here! Through lots of trial and error I’ve finally figured out how to consistently get the Tor.com pages to load that I want. There are definitely still ways that don’t work and just give endless loading or lack of comments. 

travyl@16  re- Words of Raideince in-book book: we would probably understand a lot more if we weren’t stuck with just tiny bits taken out of context. 

Like AndrewHB@10, I (on the second read, certainly not on the first) thought Pattern was sadly talking about the dead blades. But I can see either one being what Brandon was thinking. I imagine nothing straight forward and known is a wonder to Pattern though. If Shallon called a sunset a wonder Pattern would probably call it an ordinary pattern. 

braid_tug
braid_tug
9 years ago

I’m going to regret not logging on first. Sorry for any typos. Posting from phone.

@16: You triggered a thought. We end with Shallan wondering IF she has “feminine wiles.”
Then it cuts to a scene where it shows she does. If she had been a boy of the same age, with the same amount of goods and story in exchange for Jushu – the creditor would not have reacted the same.
Jushu would be a slave. At the very least, the creditor would have kept the necklace too.

So that is my flash of inspiration as for why the split.

wcarter
9 years ago

@@@@@ 19 braid_tug

I’ve always wondered how much Shallan’s gender played into that little exchange. Even the toughest of loan sharks will generally prefer to take some sort of payment over simply beating up the defaulter and eating the loss. They are in the business of making money, not corpses. 

Shallan on the other hand is a pretty young Noble’s daughter who just ran up to them which is an extremely gutsy move. If they had wanted, they could have kidnapped and ransomed her back to her family (though Jushu being abandoned by their father may have actually protected her from that consideration), or simply have taken her bribe and left her high and dry whilst still carrying away Jushu.

Wiles she certainly has, but she undoubtedly possesses an inordinate amount of luck as well

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I don’t know why everyone is having troubles with the sites. I mean honestly all you have to do is preform a ritual summoning of Cybertrassus, goddess of the interwebs, and gift her with a standard sacrifice of an unblemished iMac and 16 gigs of DDR3 ram burnt upon an altar of ancient AOL install discs. After that everything should run just fine.

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9 years ago

Hello! I’ve been a lurker a long time! Great reread, it helps with the waiting for book 3. Speaking of which, have you seen this post on reddit by Brandon? It has the first line of the flashbacks for Dalinar. Also Brandon was answering questions in his r/books AmA up until recently and he might still be answering so don’t hesitate to ask.

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9 years ago

 Welcome  hajakuja !  And thanks for the link about the first line  about Dalinars flash back scene.   It definitely sounds interesting and I’m excited to hear Dalinar’s back story as well.     

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9 years ago

#20 – 16 GB? I only had 8. No wonder the site only works 50% right for me.

 

wcarter
9 years ago

@@@@@ Nick31

Eh, could be worse I guess. According to line 5,366 of her EULA, depending on what day it was, an improper summoning and sacrifice could have cost you your soul and a 30 % increase in your monthly internet bill from your local ISP.

It’s too bad we don’t all have span reeds. The idea of using principles of quantum entanglement for truly instant communication completely regardless of distance is pretty awesome to me. Although I’m not sure how we would be able to keep the gems all magical and glowey…

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All Hail Potato
9 years ago

@20

Meh. I prefer to sell a little bit of my soul to the Potato. Doing so lets me fool the “I’m not a robot” check.

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asdobkin
9 years ago

Chapter 47: In which Nyneave Shallan has a block when channelling Lightweaving unless she’s  angry  has already drawn her illusion beforehand.

wcarter
9 years ago

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Well Pattern did tell her she didn’t need to draw before so it seems more like a bad habit she picked up rather than a fault in her instinctive ability.

I think that gives her pretty good odds of overcoming her self inflicted limit.

However, her talent in memory drawing is beyond natural, so I doubt she will abandon it as a secondary ability.

Braid_Tug
9 years ago

Bad habit or internal clutch?  Much like her memory block. 

To me, the more we disuse the issue, the more it is another aspect of her coping device that blocks out things she doesn’t want to think about. 
Drawing something first, gives her ‘control’ over the Lightweaving.  My guess is her mother saw her do something without drawing it first, and that caused her mother to freak out.
We already saw Hoid push Shallan to Lightweave when he had her think about a perfect day. She also did it on the ship in creating a green space. So she is capable of doing it without drawing.   However, when she has done Lightweaving consciously, she always has to draw it.  Thus it is a mental clutch.

How are we going to discuss Lightweaving in the past tense? 
Lightwoven just doesn’t seem right.

And this is moment I fully realize how “into” these books I am.  Worrying about the proper conjugation of a made up magic word… 

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9 years ago

I love the reread