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Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

“Space Seed”
Written by Carey Wilber and Gene L. Coon
Directed by Joseph Pevney
Season 1, Episode 24
Production episode 6149-24
Original air date: February 16, 1967
Stardate: 3141.9

Captain’s log. The Enterprise finds a derelict Earth ship from the 1990s. McCoy is detecting heartbeats at a very slow rate—four beats per minute—and Spock detects electrical activity. He also makes out a name on the hull: Botany Bay. There’s no record of such a ship, but that was a tumultuous era thanks to the Eugenics Wars, and records are fragmentary.

Kirk takes a team to the ship that includes McCoy, Scotty, and ship’s historian Lieutenant Marla McGivers. Once the Enterprise takes the Botany Bay in tow, the heat comes on and air starts being pumped in.

They beam over to find several people lying in bunks bathed in blue light. Scotty waxes nostalgic about the ship, which is definitely late-20th-century Earth design, and McGivers identifies it as a sleeper ship, with all passengers and crew in suspended animation for the then-very-long journey between the stars.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Scotty turns the lights on, and that activates one of the pods—the occupant starts breathing faster and McCoy detects a quickening heartbeat. McGivers says the commander of the ship would often be revived first in order to make the decision as to whether or not it was safe to revive everyone else.

Said occupant is also quite handsome, and McGivers is distracted by his sexiness. This will become important later…

The passengers are from all over the Earth. McGivers identifies the leader as Indian, probably a Sikh, while Scotty says the others are a mix of races. The pod starts to malfunction and the man’s life signs fluctuate. It’ll take too long to dope out the controls, so Kirk breaks the pod open, which seems to do the trick, once the man is exposed to regular atmosphere. However, he’s still in bad shape. McCoy works on him in Enterprise‘s sickbay while engineering and medical teams pour over the Botany Bay. Scotty reports no log books or records of any kind, and he’s pretty sure the entire group of them were in stasis when the ship took off. Twelve of the units have malfunctioned, leaving 72 survivors. But Kirk won’t try to revive any of them until the leader is successfully saved. They take the Botany Bay in tow and head toward Starbase 12.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

The leader does survive, but McCoy refuses to take any credit, as he’s a most impressive specimen of humanity, and he pretty much healed himself.

Kirk rebukes McGivers for being distracted while on the boarding party, though she insists her interest is professional at seeing a person from a bygone era, not personal at seeing a hunka hunka burnin’ love. The gooey look in her eyes belies this assertion.

McCoy’s patient wakes up and does a series of physical stretches and breathing exercises. He is stunned to learn that he’s on a starship with people who speak English two hundred years in the future. He also instructs Kirk to revive the 72 survivors, which Kirk is not willing to do until they reach the starbase. Only then does he provide his name: Khan. He’s unwilling to provide any more information until he’s rested more, and he also wishes to study the ship’s technical specifications, as he was an engineer.

Spock speculates that Khan may have been one of the selectively bred folk who seized power in 1993. In-fighting led to their defeat, as superior strength and intellect also breeds superior ambition. Spock also reveals a fact that isn’t in the traditional histories: About 80-90 percent of the genetically enhanced people were unaccounted for.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

McGivers goes to talk to Khan. She wants to talk about history. He wants to know why she wears her hair in so unattractive a manner. She later suggests that Kirk have a formal dinner in his honor. Khan meets McGivers in her quarters (where she’s now wearing her hair down), admiring her paintings and drawings of powerful men from history, one of which is an unfinished drawing of Khan himself. He’s so flattered that he smooches her heavily.

At the dinner, Khan claims that he and his comrades shipped out on the Botany Bay for adventure, as there was nothing left on Earth, which was something of a mess after the war. Spock plays bad cop, referring to petty dictators and the like, and while Khan recognizes the tactic, he still falls for it, saying that “we” offered order in a chaotic world.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Later McGivers comes to Khan’s quarters, and he plays her like a two-dollar banjo, pretending to grow weary of her alleged fickleness, which is just her acting like a person, and gets her to practically beg him to stay. It’s an impressive display of power, and he makes it more overt when he forces her to her knees declaring his intention to take the ship. She resists at first, but eventually says she’ll do anything he asks.

Spock finds sufficient records to learn who Khan is: Khan Noonien Singh, the last of the Eugenics Wars tyrants to be overthrown. Kirk orders a 24-hour security detail on him. Kirk reveals that he knows who Khan is. Khan himself is less than impressed with human evolution over the past two hundred years and expects that he and his comrades will do well in this time.

Khan manages to pry the door to his quarters open with feats of strength, and then render the security guard unconscious. With McGivers’ help, he takes over the transporter room and beams to the Botany Bay, reviving the rest of his people.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Somehow, security doesn’t figure out that Khan had escaped until after he revives everyone, beams back to the ship, and takes over engineering, jamming communications, halting turbolifts, and cutting off life support to the bridge. After everyone falls unconscious, he brings Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Spinelli, and a few others to the briefing room, asking them to join him. He needs them to operate the ship. As incentive, he shows them Kirk in the medical decompression chamber, where the interior is being reduced to a vacuum. After Kirk, he’ll kill everyone else while the others watch—but if anyone joins him, he’ll save Kirk. They all, of course, refuse.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

McGivers asks to be excused, as she doesn’t want to watch. Khan agrees—”though I’d hoped you’d be stronger.” (He’s just a peach, isn’t he?) The viewscreen goes blank a minute later. It was McGivers performing sabotage. She hypos the guard on the chamber and then frees Kirk. Khan has sent Spock next, but Kirk is able to stop his guard, and now they’re both free to regain control of the ship. They flood the briefing room with gas. Khan is able to escape and get to engineering, where he has cut off the gas. Kirk chases him to engineering, where Khan crushes his phaser and announces that he’s overloaded the engines, and will destroy the ship.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

They then, of course, engage in fisticuffs. Kirk only wins because he manages to get a club and hit him repeatedly on the head and back.

Kirk holds a hearing on what to do with Khan and his people, as well as McGivers. He decides to exile Khan on Ceti Alpha V, a habitable, if harsh planet. Khan and his people can try to tame that world the way the prisoners sent to the original Botany Bay colony in Australia tamed that continent. McGivers chooses to go with him rather than face a court martial. Khan agrees, citing Milton’s famous line from Lucifer right before he went into the pit in Paradise Lost: “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.”

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Fascinating. Spock is disgusted by the admiration that Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy show for Khan’s tyrannical rule. In the end, he shakes his head and says, “Illogical,” to which Kirk quickly and happily replies, “Totally.”

I’m a doctor, not an escalator. McCoy’s disdain for the transporter is first seen here, as he complains that he signed on to practice medicine, not to have his atoms shot across space by “this gadget.”

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

He also has one of his absolute finest moments when Khan wakes up and grabs his throat while putting a scalpel to his neck. McCoy very calmly tells him to either choke him or cut his throat, and to hurry up and make up his mind. When Khan asks where he is, McCoy’s bland response is, “In bed, holding a knife to your doctor’s throat,” adding blithely that it would be more efficient to slice open the carotid artery just under the ear. Khan is impressed by his bravery, but McCoy says he was just trying to avoid an argument. And that, boys and girls, is why Leonard McCoy is the best ever. 

I cannot change the laws of physics! Scotty gets his domain taken over by Khan and doesn’t know the most famous Milton quote ever.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed"

Hailing frequencies open. Khan orders Uhura to operate the viewscreen so they can see Kirk being tortured. She refuses, so Joaquin drags her forcibly to the console. She still refuses, so Joaquin belts her. She still refuses so Joaquin moves to belt her again, and she stands up to show that it won’t work a second time either. However, McGivers stops Joaquin and operates the screen herself.

Go put on a red shirt. Security doesn’t notice that the guard outside Khan’s quarters is unconscious until Khan has had time to beam over to the Botany Bay, revive 72 people, beam back, and take over engineering. McGivers’ sabotage can account for some of that, but seriously? Didn’t anybody notice the guy lying on the deck outside Khan’s door? 

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

No sex, please, we’re Starfleet. McGivers goes completely dewey-eyed for Khan, to the point where she’ll completely throw her career away and risk her crewmates’ life because he makes her toes curl.

Channel open.

“Tyranny, sir? Or an attempt to unify humanity?”

“Unify, sir? Like a team of animals under one whip?”

Khan and Spock, arguing 1990s politics.

Welcome aboard. Madlyn Rhue plays McGivers, while two of Khan’s people are played by Mark Tobin (Joaquin) and Kathy Ahart (Kati). Tobin will return as two different Klingons, in the third season’s “Day of the Dove” and then three decades later in Voyager‘s “Barge of the Dead.”

Plus recurring regulars DeForest Kelley, James Doohan, and Nichelle Nichols are back, as well as John Winston returning as the transporter technician (eventually named Kyle), thus establishing himself as recurring as well. Blaisdell Makee rounds out the Enterprise crew as Spinelli; he’ll return in “The Changeling” as Singh.

Oh, and some obscure Latin actor—Ricardo somethingorother—plays Khan, but he never really amounted to anything…

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Trivial matters: As everyone reading this likely knows, the movie Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was a sequel to this episode. A plot point of that movie is Chekov recognizing the name Botany Bay, even though the character of Chekov hadn’t been created when this episode aired. Some have cited this as a mistake, but it truly isn’t. There are 430 people on the ship, and we only saw a handful of them. Particularly as an ensign, Chekov could have been assigned to any number of areas of the ship before being rotated to bridge duty in the second season. Plenty of works of tie-in fiction have addressed this seeming discrepancy, including the comic Star Trek: Untold Voyages #4 by Glenn Greenberg, Michael Collins, & Keith Williams (which not only addresses it, but makes fun of the fan nitpicking about it at the same time), Greg Cox’s novel To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh, and Vonda N. McIntyre’s novelization of The Wrath of Khan. (McIntyre also established Chekov as serving on the night shift when Kirk first took command in Enterprise: The First Adventure, thus allowing him to be around for this episode.)

Speaking of Cox, he wrote the definitive tale of the Eugenics Wars and Khan’s reign on Earth—including managing to reconcile it with actual 1990s history—in the magnificent two-book story The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, which also incorporated several other 20th-century bits from various Trek stories (such as “Assignment: Earth,” TNG‘s “The Neutral Zone,” DS9‘s “Little Green Men,” Voyager‘s “Future’s End,” Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and several more).

Spock refers to the Eugenics Wars as being the same as World War III. WW3 was later retconned (once real history caught up to the 1990s) as taking place in the 2060s in the movie First Contact. Cox’s above-mentioned duology treats the Eugenics Wars as a covert war that the general public didn’t know much about at the time. Another First Contact retcon was to jump the discovery of faster-than-light travel from 2018 (the date McGivers gives in this episode) to 2063 (as seen by Zefram Cochrane’s warp flight in First Contact).

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

Both Cox’s To Reign in Hell and the IDW comic book miniseries Khan: Ruling in Hell by Scott & David Tipton and Fabio Mantovani told tales that bridged the gap between “Space Seed” and The Wrath of Khan. One of the tasks Cox in particular set about was explaining how Khan’s people went from an ethnically diverse group of contemporaries to him leading a bunch of young people who were all blonde-haired and blue-eyed…

Khan’s being found and revived in the 23rd century will play out very differently in the alternate timeline established in the 2009 Star Trek, as seen in Star Trek Into Darkness, where the character was played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

Other genetically enhanced folk, referred to as “Augments,” who were involved in the Eugenics Wars will be seen in the 22nd century in Enterprise‘s “Borderlands,” “Cold Station 12,” and “The Augments.” That same show’s “Affliction”/”Divergence” two-parter will establish that smooth-headed Klingons came about due to a Klingon scientist attempting to combine human Augment DNA with Klingon DNA. Another refugee from the Eugenics Wars, Stavos Keniclius, will be seen in the animated episode “The Infinite Vulcan.”

Khan’s name went through several changes. In Carey Wilber’s original treatment, the character was named Harold Erricsen. In the first draft of the script, he used John Ericssen as a pseudonym before being revealed as the historical figure Ragnar Thorwald. In one draft, he was called Sibahl Khan Noonien, which is the name James Blish used in his adaptation in Star Trek 2.

Khan’s tyranny is cited as a primary reason for the Federation ban on voluntary genetic engineering in DS9‘s “Dr. Bashir, I Presume?

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

To boldly go. “He was the best of the tyrants, and the most dangerous.” Except for when I want to throw a shoe at the screen (every time McGivers is on camera staring into space muttering, “He’s so dreeeeeeeamy!”), I really love this episode. It truly is one of the greats, worthy of, in essence, two movie sequels (the first of which is regarded by many as the best of the Trek movies).

For all that, Ricardo Montalban’s charisma gets so much (deserved) credit, what particularly makes the episode shine is the brilliant scripting. Both Carey Wilber (who originally pitched the story) and executive producer Gene L. Coon are given teleplay credit, but it’s an “and” credit indicating that they worked separately on the script (collaborations are indicated with an ampersand). So I can’t say for sure who was responsible for the nuances of Khan’s dialogue, but it’s brilliantly done. Every word is geared toward his being superior to all those around him. When he meets Kirk he asks questions and gives orders before even providing his name. At the end of the scene, he thanks Kirk for giving him reading material: “You are very cooperative,” he says, like a person rewarding a dog for fetching a stick.

It goes into overdrive with McGivers. He starts with, “Please sit and entertain me.” He moves on to talking about her hair, and then when she rebuffs him, he encourages her to visit him again anyhow. When she doesn’t respond immediately to his embrace, he yells at her to leave or stay only as she wishes—and then he manipulates her into staying, snarking at her desire to stay a little longer (“How many minutes do you graciously offer?”), asking her to open her heart, and then trying to get her to betray her crewmates, and rejecting her when she hesitates.

Throughout, he talks down to her, to Kirk, to the crew in the briefing room: “Captain, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior.” He assumes that the crew’s loyalty is because they all suffocated together on the bridge, not that the crew is actually loyal to Kirk. And in the end, he says that he’ll “take” McGivers, and accepts Kirk’s offer as if he’s won rather than lost.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

It all paints Khan as a worthy foe, but one done in by the very same arrogance that has been on display since the moment he woke up. He assumes that, because he crushed Kirk’s phaser, that he’ll win the fight. It never even occurs to him that Kirk would find another weapon and use it. (And points to the fight choreography, ’cause Kirk is totally getting his ass whupped prior to that.)

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed"

Even if it didn’t have so brilliantly written and acted an antagonist in Khan, this episode would be amazing for the sheer brilliance of DeForest Kelley and Nichelle Nichols, the former in his very calm, wholly unintimidated response to Khan threatening to kill him, the latter for her continued defiance. The look on Uhura’s face after the first slap is priceless, and just Nichols’s eyes alone tell you that the strike had the opposite of the desired effect. As for the McCoy scene, you gotta think they looked at that sequence in particular and realized that Kelley was good enough to be elevated to opening credits regular…

If only they’d done better by the female guest. Thankfully, Uhura gets a strong bit in this one, because it’s the only thing that leavens the awfulness of the Marla McGivers character. Even before she commits mutiny, she’s not exactly someone we’re eager to root for. She starts off with an awful first impression, as Spock’s summons to the transporter room is met with irritation that boarding party duty is interrupting her painting. And then the minute she sees Khan she turns into an unprofessional puddle of goo, who allows herself to be easily manipulated by him into betraying the ship and the service. It’s made worse by the constant and consistent defiance shown by everyone else. Khan’s interest in her isn’t even all that convincing, since she’s mostly just a pretty face, soft hair, and a nice figure. It’s hard to believe someone so interested in perfect specimens of humanity would give more than a thought or two to someone as weak-willed as McGivers proves to be, and it’s not even a surprise that she was among the first to die on Ceti Alpha V, as revealed in The Wrath of Khan.

Star Trek The Original Series Rewatch "Space Seed" Khan

A great episode, an iconic episode, a fantastic villain, who’d continue to be well realized by two different great actors in two different (yet depressingly similar) movies, and two bravura performances by the supporting cast.

 

Warp factor rating: 9

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9 years ago

“Here’s a chance for that historian to do something for a change.”

Ah, my favorite misconception in all of Trek – that historians have no place in space or exploring the galaxy or on military vessels.  What the writers didn’t seem to realize is that NASA, all branches of the military, many government agencies, and lots of other places employ historians.  It’s called public history, and it’s important for things like understanding your enemy, understanding where you’re going based on where you’ve been, etc.  McGivers may have ended up completely unprofessional, but having a historian on board was a fantastic idea, and I expect she was quite busy if she was the only one.

As for her speculating that he’s from “northern India” and “possibly a Sikh” – well, she wasn’t a good historian, as this kind of guessing is absolutely ridiculous.  Historians have fields, and she couldn’t possibly have been the ship’s historian if her specialty was the Indian subcontinent…that’s a research field.  There’s absolutely no evidence for her guess, and I harumph at anyone who takes her statement at face value.

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Lubitsch
9 years ago

Hm, I totally fail to see the problem with the McGivers character. Yes, she’s weak, lovestruck and she can be manipulated easily. Why does she have to be as tough and professional as the rest of the crew? Khan recognizes a weak spot in the crew and exploits it which pretty well illustrates his ruthlessness and the spell he casts to a certain degree over the whole crew. What he doesn’t take into account is that McGivers is so weak and flexible that she can snap right back into Starfleet mode once Khan proves to be a too brutal man.

So McGivers strikes me as a very well designed plot element and character who contrasts well with the crew and the genetic master race, but despite being the weakest of them all she plays the decisive role in the end.

I find the low tolerance lots of viewers seem to have have towards weak characters in fiction highly problematic. Many people behave foolish when in love or when they are under pressure. In fact there needn’t even be an extraordinary situation to act in a mediocre, cowardly or otherwise unimpressive way. Banning such characters doesn’t seem to achieve anything for me. And yes, I know she’s a starfleet officer, but this doesn’t preclude any human weaknesses. Maybe she’s a really good historian and officer otherwise, but a failure in this special situation.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

“it’s not even a surprise that she was among the first to die on Ceti Alpha V, as revealed in The Wrath of Khan.”

Whoa there! Let’s see how long you last with a Ceti Eel in your brain! Besides, does Star Trek II actually establish that she was “among the first to die”? If memory serves, Khan’s exact line is, “They killed twenty of my people, including my beloved wife.” What if she was victim 20? What if Khan’s Kolony (TM) was yea close to finding a cure — as they apparently did, since the buggers stopped eating their brains — when she died, and it was all tragic and weepy and heart-breaking? I admit this is speculation, but so is presuming she was “among the first to die.”

That hair split, I agree she is not a good character. Maybe “Space Seed” just happened to take place on one of her bad days. (More speculation.)

I think my favorite line in this one is, “It has been said that social occasions are only warfare concealed.” I don’t know who besides Khan has said it, if anyone, but it’s sadly often true, and the whole dinner scene is just perfect, for my quatloos. (It also always makes me think of Kiel Stuart’s parody in one of the Best of Trek volumes, where Khan sprouts a little Hitler mustache as he thunders, “Ve offered ze world order, und zey vould not take it!” 

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9 years ago

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McGivers seemed pretty sure of her Sikh guess, for whatever reason. She even goes as far as painting Khan in a traditional turban. Little did she know he was actually a heavily tanned Englishman with a dragon’s voice. Who knew?

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@2/Lubitsch – You may be on to something. But I think it’s the speed at which she falls for Khan that gives her no credibility as a character for me. It’s like Anna falling for Prince Hans in less than five minutes (yes, I live with a young Frozen fan in my house). 

And I suppose Marla’s weakness isn’t that different, in its potential for a bad impact on the mission, than Bailey freaking out on the bridge in “Corbomite Manuever,” or Styles’ racism in “Balance of Terror.” So maybe I’m being sexist in thinking of her so poorly.

As I recall, much of the tie-in fiction Keith mentions goes some ways toward redeeming Marla as a Starfleet officer and a person. 

MikePoteet
9 years ago

Although, another strike against McGivers as a historian – “Probably a Sikh; they’re the most fantastic warriors.” I guess this line is there to prep the audience for Khan as bad guy of the week; but for the first thing out of the professional historian’s mouth to be such a sweeping generalization (bordering on stereotype?) is really unconscionable. The fact that Khan does, in fact, turn out to be a fantastic warrior (or at least his all-too-visible-in-HD stunt double does <g>) doesn’t make her any less in the wrong. 

“Probably a Sikh; many of them were famous as fantastic warriors.” I’d still question the use of the word “fantastic” connected with “warrior” in Trek‘s 23rd century — to paraphrase that other Star franchise, “Wars not make one fantastic” — but at least it would be maybe more of a historian-like thing to say.

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9 years ago

Oooh I’ve seen this one!

‘I grow fatigued’ is still a common phrase in our house.

@5 – actually, I found Anna falling for Hans perfectly sensical in that a)he’s a master manipulator/sociopath who specifically targeted her, and b)she’s basically a repressed extrovert who was desperate for any kind of interaction.

As for Marla, perhaps she should have been a bit more worldly/wise and perhaps the plot is a bit rushed here, but I do agree with 2 overall in that some characters do have weaknesses and one has to assume she was good at her actual job even if she as no match for Kahn’s exploiting her. 

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@7/Lisamarie – You make a good point re: Hans and Anna. I guess the situations aren’t as analagous as I thought. My point was more just, “Come on? Seriously? You just met the guy!” (And, in Marla’s case, he hasn’t even met her yet!) That was the common thread I saw, slender though it be.

And, given the Botany Bay was a cryo sleeper ship, I guess I was already thinking along frozen lines… (Rim shot! Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week…)

I love that your family uses the fatigue catchphrase. Awesome.

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9 years ago

The Summer of Khan series is also a nice detailed look into the Eugenics Wars novels by Greg Cox.

post 1) In Favor of Khan: http://squealingnerd.blogspot.com/2011/06/in-favor-of-khan-why-i-put-down-glenda.html

Post 2) To All The Women that Went Before part 1: http://squealingnerd.blogspot.com/2011/06/to-all-women-that-went-before-and-after.html

Post 3) ”                                                   ” part 2: http://squealingnerd.blogspot.com/2011/07/to-all-women-that-went-before-part-2.html

Post 4) Wrapping Up with To Reign in Hellhttp://squealingnerd.blogspot.com/2011/08/wrapping-up-summer-of-khan.html

Good stuff. I wrote it. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

One of the earliest explanations for how Khan recognized Chekov was in DC Comics’s Who’s Who in Star Trek special written by Allan Asherman. Asherman proposed that Chekov had been posted to engineering before being transferred to the navigator post (like Kevin Riley before him), and that he’d led the defense against Khan’s takeover of engineering, which was why Khan remembered him. I cribbed this explanation in my debut novel Ex Machina, and IIRC, a bit of editorial coordination led to it being mentioned in Greg Cox’s To Reign in Hell as well. I’ve occasionally been credited for coining the idea, so I always try to give Asherman proper credit when I can.

It’s certainly better than the explanation offered in William Rotsler’s Star Trek II Biographies, which was that Khan had memorized every personnel file in Starfleet during his time in sickbay. Of course, this is the same book that proposed that the name of Pavel Andreievich Chekov’s father was Alexei rather than Andrei…

 

Keith covered most of the highs and lows of the episode pretty well, but there are some other technical and factual issues I have with it. Of course, the big thing is the pretty lousy handling of Indian/Sikh ethnicity. First off, there’s the choice to cast a Mexican actor in brownface makeup, one of the uglier casting practices of the era, and not even have him change his accent. Second, there is absolutely nothing about Khan’s appearance that would lead Marla to recognize him as a Sikh. Sikh men do not cut their hair or beards, they wear turbans, and they wear various ceremonial items, none of which Khan possessed. The only thing they got right was giving him the last name Singh, like most male Sikhs — but the rest of his name is a complete ethnic jumble. Khan is a Mongolian/Central Asian title that’s generally used as a Muslim surname, not a given name; and Noonien is apparently a Chinese name. (The story goes that Khan and TNG’s Noonien Soong were named by Roddenberry after a Chinese friend from his military service, possibly named Noonien Wang, in hopes of getting his attention and renewing contact with him. Apparently it never worked.)

The one positive about the treatment of Khan’s ethnicity is that it was a bold statement to depict a genetically superior human as a brown-skinned man instead of the Nordic type favored by the Nazis and other European eugenicists. That’s no doubt what Carey Wilbur had intended by the original Harold Ericssen character, as a critique of such eugenics movements, but it works even better to subvert their racist assumptions of white superiority by depicting a multiethnic race of superhumans. (This is what I did in my novel Only Superhuman, making the leader of the genetically superior Vanguardians a black man, his daughter a mix of multiple ethnicities, and their general population extremely diverse.) It’s unfortunate that TWOK fell back on the more conventional image of Nordic superhumans — never mind the continuity and logic mess that creates. (Seriously — they were stranded there 15 years before but are mostly in their mid-20s? Do the math, Meyer!)

And the alleged ethnic diversity of Khan’s people (it was more asserted than seen in the extra casting) actually makes a lot of sense. TWOK introduced the retcon that Khan’s people had been “genetically engineered” (a ret-Khan?), but that term hadn’t been coined yet in 1967. “Space Seed” said they’d been produced by selective breeding. Wilbur was probably thinking in terms of the real-life eugenics movements that were popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, movements that actually attempted to control human breeding to create superior specimens. Of course, they were all doomed to failure because they thought “superior” meant “white” and were breeding for uniformity, when anyone who knows anything about biology and isn’t a racist moron knows that genetic diversity is the key to a species’ adaptability and robustness. But if there had been one 19th-century eugenics group that wasn’t just a club for racist morons, if they’d recognized the benefits of genetic diversity and selectively bred for genuinely advantageous traits rather than just whiteness, it’s conceivable that — if they’d been extremely lucky — they might’ve produced some pretty impressive specimens by the 1960s or ’70s, in time for them to grow to maturity by the 1990s. Which actually makes a bit more sense than the assumption that genetic engineering technology existed in the ’60s or ’70s and was sufficiently beyond the real-world state of the art today to allow the creation of the Augments in a single generation.

Another thing that bugs me is the onboard gravity in the Botany Bay. Artificial gravity in a ship from the 1990s? I like to think that the cryogenic chambers were in a centrifuge section within the cylindrical part of the ship, rotating to create gravity like the centrifuge in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The set doesn’t quite fit that assumption, but it’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Both in plausibility terms and in Trek-continuity terms, since Voyager: “One Small Step” showed that human ships didn’t have artificial gravity yet in 2032.

There’s also the oddity of the name “Ceti Alpha,” a weird inversion of the Bayer designation of the star Menkar, aka Alpha Ceti. Aside from that, though, the idea of the Botany Bay being found relatively near Alpha Ceti (or near enough that it’s a convenient place to drop them off afterward) is something that just barely squeaks through as plausible, at least given modern Trek chronological assumptions. Menkar is about 250 light-years away, give or take, so if the ship was launched in 1996, it could’ve reached that vicinity by 2267 if it had been going at 90-odd percent of lightspeed. Granted, a ship that looked like that couldn’t have survived that long at such high velocity, not without some kind of massive shield in front to protect against interstellar debris and dust. But simply from a time-and-distance standpoint, it’s not physically impossible.

Granted, the episode claimed that the ship had been launched only about 200 years before, but at the time, apparently Alpha Ceti was believed to be closer than we now know it to be. I have an old text, from before the HIPPARCOS survey in the ’90s that improved our knowledge of star distances, that gives its estimated distance as 40 parsecs, or 130 light-years. That would’ve required a speed of only 2/3 c for the BB, somewhat more achievable than what we have to assume today.

Although it’s worth noting that James Blish’s 1968 adaptation of the episode, despite quoting the 200-years line and the 1990s Eugenics Wars timeframe, is nonetheless the earliest work in Trek history (as far as I can determine) to mention the 23rd century as the setting of the series.

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T'Bonz
9 years ago

What can I say? I hate this episode. It’s in my top-ten disliked episodes. Yes, I know that it led to the superb Wrath of Khan (with the inexplicable blue-eyed blond crewmates) but Space Seed stunk.

99% of this was because of McGivers. I know it was the 1960s where women were too often viewed as stupid dumbasses, but she was. She falls for a guy who is a creep and treats her like crap. She betrays her own crew for said creep. Then, inconsistent and stupid ’til the end, she changes her mind and betrays Khan, and then volunteers to go off with him. YUCK.

As a woman, she embarrassed me.

And Kirk and all. Oh, hey, a sleeper ship. Instead of doing research first to find out what these people were, let’s just put them on our ship and nothing bad will happen. Right?

The *only* good things out of this episode were the brave Uhura and McCoy. McCoy’s line was just awesome. Now he had balls! And Uhura was 3x the woman that McGivers was. Maybe 4x.

Plus – it lead to WOK, even though I hated that they killed Spock in that movie.

But Space Seed? I’ll give it a 2, one each for McCoy and Uhura. That’s all.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@1/MeredithP: I agree — a ship’s historian should play an important role, as I’ve tried to show in my Rise of the Federation books, which feature Kirk’s great-grandfather Sam as a Starfleet historian (so Kirk should really know better). After all, if you’re exploring an alien culture, it’s important to study their past as well as their present. And studying history can offer precedents on how to cope with intercultural conflicts or misunderstandings. Not to mention the need to have someone recording all the history that the starship is making.

It’s odd that both of the Starfleet historians seen in the 23rd century — McGivers here and Erickson in “Yesteryear” — are in services red rather than sciences blue. Maybe Starfleet sees historians more as a clerical position, like yeomen, than a research position?

 

@2/Lubitsch: The problem with Marla’s character is that her portrayal was pretty much the default for female personnel in TOS. Carolyn Palamas fell for Apollo the same way in “Who Mourns for Adonais,” and Charlene Masters did so with Lazarus in the deleted subplot from “The Alternative Factor.” It’s a very condescending, sexist ’60s stereotype, the assumption that female professionals would always place love over duty and thus be unreliable.

 

@4/GeorgeKaplan: An unflattering interpretation of Marla’s “guess” that Khan was a Sikh was that she actually recognized him as Khan Noonien Singh and kept that knowledge from her superiors. She clearly had a fetish for manly conquerors of the past, and that painting of Khan seemed far enough along to suggest she’d been working on it even before she met him. Maybe she was excited by the prospect of meeting one of her fantasy objects and hid the truth because she didn’t want him to be instantly thrown in the brig or put back on ice.

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9 years ago

@10/Christopher – Like I said, it’s not worth even assuming McGivers was right.  She likely has no basis whatsoever for even knowing anything about northern Indians and/or Sikhs, so suggesting that Khan isn’t depicted as “properly Sikh” is giving her too much credit to begin with.  He could be literally anything – and McGivers even couches her statements with “I’d guess” and “probably” – so who knows, maybe he is Mexican of Spanish descent like Montalban.  That anyone ever assumes he’s from India in the first place is what gets me harumphing!

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9 years ago

@12/Christopher – Whoops, we were typing at the same time.  As for it being a clerical vs research position, that’s exactly my point – public historians are more analysts than researchers.  And yep, cataloging the events taking place is important too, which is why NASA’s history office was founded in 1958!  I’ll have to check out the Rise of the Federation books for that aspect, thank you for the tip!

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@11/TBonz: I feel just the opposite, that this is a good episode and TWOK was a stupid, shallow, nonsensical movie that ruined the potential of the Khan character. The question at the end of this episode — What might these superior beings achieve in a hundred years? — is such a terrific and important one that they actually named the episode after it. But then TWOK came along and totally squandered that potential by devastating Ceti Alpha V, turning Khan into a vengeance-crazed loon, and blowing up the lot of them at the end. So many missed opportunities there.

 

@13/MeredithP: For what it’s worth, there are Sikhs of many nationalities and ethnicities. It’s a religion and a culture, not a race. And Khan’s name, as I mentioned, is a total ethnic jumble to begin with. So he didn’t have to be Indian. And he was light-skinned in TWOK and STID. Maybe his brownface makeup in “Space Seed” is some kind of freezer burn from the cryo chamber? :D

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@12/Christopher – Carolyn Palamas fell for Apollo the same way in “Who Mourns for Adonais” – Yes, but (as I recall) she did eventually “betray” Apollo in some way to help save the day, yes? I mean, your point is still valid; it’s still offensive that Kirk had to talk sense back into her to get her to do her duty to the ship… but I think she still comes off better than Marla does.

I’d never taken Marla’s painting of Khan as anything other than her being a really fast artist (maybe she missed her calling in life)… but your theory is an intriguing one, and does indeed diminish her even more. Ouch!

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9 years ago

@15/Christopher – Okay, freezer burn is the best explanation ever for the brownface.  Well done!  But she does speculate that he is northern Indian as well as Sikh, with no evidence for that either.  I try to be historically relevant as much as possible, and allow that “northern Indian” and “Sikh” seemed exotic to 1960s writers, but just having her guess at all bugs the hell out of me, as a historian.  She’s got no basis whatsoever!  And yet people have taken it at face value for decades…

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Eduardo Jencarelli
9 years ago

I’m surprised you gave this a 9. You decked points from other rewatches over similar plot holes. No way security could be so inept as to not realize that Khan had escaped and spent a long time reviving his people on the BB.

That, plus the mess of a character that was McGivers had me giving this an 8 at best. It wouldn’t have been so bad had McGivers been introduced in prior episodes as being that kind of a person (and there have been recurring secondary officers over the show’s run, like DeSalle and Riley). But being introduced in the very episode you’re supposed to betray your crew feels completely phony and artificial. She really doesn’t work within 50 minutes of story, and is too shallow a character for anyone to take seriously, let alone Khan (I justify it as him savoring his superior intellect; problem is, he seems to really fall for her over time, given his desire for revenge over her death on ST2).

Space Seed works because of Khan’s attitude, and how mostly everyone reacts to him. Heavily dependant on performance and good characterizations. That’s why the episode works. Not because of the plot. In a way, that’s a good thing. Ricardo makes such a good impression as Khan that I can overlook some of that plotting.

And kudos to Uhura and McCoy. Easily the best reactions I’ve seen.

But as far as plot holes are concernes, the ending brings up a bigger issue, not exactly related to the episode. The minute Khan was stranded on Ceti Alpha-V, Kirk should have issued a petition to declare the whole star system off-limits the same way Picard did for Vagra II, following Yar’s death. There was no reason for the Reliant or any other vessel to be on that system. We know Starfleet Command forbids ships from visiting certain planets, The Menagerie being the prime example. Why not do the same for the Ceti-Alpha system?

leandar
9 years ago

KRAD, I think there might be a goof. Now personally, I’ve always believed that Marla’s line about sleeper ships being used until 2018 didn’t mean the discovery of warp drive, but rather impulse engines. That’s because she said nothing ever about travel between the stars, just interplanetary travel. In the episode she said, “It took years to travel from one planet to another.” Also, Spock said that interstellar travel was impractical at that time and that odds were 10000 to 1 against success at that time.

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Greg Cox
9 years ago

Thanks for all the kind words. I won’t rehash all my thoughts on Khan, since I already managed to fill three books with them, but about Marla . . .

I spent a lot of time thinking about Marla before writing TO REIGN IN HELL and one of my goals for that book was to rehabilitate Marla and explain exactly what Khan saw in her.  (And, yes, the movie never actually says that she was one of the first killed on Ceti Alpha V; just that she was killed by an eel at some point.)

Marla is hardly the pride of Starfleet, but I decided that she was already a troubled soul even before Khan showed up to sweep her off her feet. She didn’t really seem to fit in aboard the Enterprise and didn’t appear to have any friends or family to leave behind. That’s no excuse, I know, but it fits with the somewhat isolated woman we see at the beginning of the ep, whose name Kirk can barely recall, and who seems annoyed to be called away on a mission. Marla was lonely and out of place and vulnerable . . .

As for shipboard historians, the big question is why they’re never consulted on any time-travel missions. Seems to me that Marla could have been a big help during “Tomorrow is Yesterday” . . ..

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9 years ago

#12

That’s a theory I’d never considered. McGivers was no doubt a fan of the historical strongman type. The painting could have been started before they met. Though as someone who works in graphic arts, I can tell you it would take no time to sketch and paint what we see when Khan discovers it.

I agree they did fail to depict any sort of real Sikh culture with Khan. And one of the great disappointments I had with Into Darkness was again failing to depict him as an authentic Sikh, despite the multicultural full name. Because I think there’s some great character stuff they could’ve done with that. Not only are Sikh warriors, I find, more visually interesting with the five articles of faith, there’s also the Sikh code of honor. Just how does a dictator like Khan reinterpret and corrupt his own culture to rationalize his dishonorable actions? Some very real-world elements they could’ve worked into the story.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@10/me: Erratum: I was incorrect to say that the term “genetic engineering” had not yet been coined as of 1967. While the actual practice of DNA recombination wouldn’t exist until the early 1970s, the actual phrase  “genetic engineering” dates back to at least 1949 (and was first used in fiction by Jack Williamson in 1951).

 

@18/Eduardo Jencarelli: “But being introduced in the very episode you’re supposed to betray your crew feels completely phony and artificial.”

Except this was 1960s TV, where every episode had to stand completely on its own, and where most continuing drama series aspired to be pseudo-anthologies in format. So what you’re describing as “artificial” was the routine practice. Indeed, it was built right into the series premise. In Roddenberry’s original pitch document, it was stressed that the starship “is a whole community in which we can anytime take our camera down a passageway and find a guest star or secondary character (scientist, specialist, ordinary airman, passenger or stowaway) who can propel us into a story.” As I’ve remarked before, most people today take Roddenberry’s “Wagon Train to the stars” pitch to mean he wanted to do a space Western, but he was actually referencing the successful drama series Wagon Train and its anthology-like format of building each episode around a different guest star playing a member of the wagon train.

 

@21/GeorgeKaplan: I doubt the writers of “Space Seed” had any real understanding of Sikh culture beyond “Some weird Oriental religion.” The ethnic jumble of Khan’s name is a manifestation of the tendency of 1960s Hollywood writers to treat all of Asia from the Mideast to the South Pacific as a single interchangeable mass. Like Jonny Quest‘s Hadji, a stereotypical Hindu whose name is a Muslim honorific.

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9 years ago

If only someone (maybe Spock) had come back at McGivers with “You think he’s a Sikh, huh? How do you account for the fact that he’s clean-shaven, his head is uncovered, he carries no blade…?”

Now, maybe someone can refresh my memory–did Greg Cox have a bit of Scotch tape for Khan’s, uh, total lack of adherence to Sikh traditions? Maybe that he began to see himself as transcending all rules and traditions?

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Ragnarredbeard
9 years ago

I always assumed that they found the solution to the ceti eels by wearing earmuffs.

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9 years ago

#17

But it’s not face value after Khan sees the painting of himself in a turban, is it? He says he’s honored by it, pretty much confirming to the audience, yes, this man is an exotic Indian of some type. If only they’d included a ceremonial knife or something with Khan in his sleeper pod, McGivers’ guess would make more sense.

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Lubitsch
9 years ago

@12

I’m fully aware of female sterotypes being a specialist on Third Reich films. And they may indeed be at play here, but you can easily reverse the game and look at the male crewmembers. How many of them fail to do what’s right because they’re lovestruck? McCoy is so much in love with his ex-girlfriend in MAN TRAP that he only at the very last moment recognizes the monster for what it is. Kirk flirts with Lenore in CONSCIENCE OF THE KING so long and heavily that he doesn’t recognize her as the killer until it’s too late. Kirk is again heavily distracted by a former girlfriend throughout SHORE LEAVE while mayhem is going on. in THIS SIDE OF PARADISE Spock falls completely for the former woman in his life and has to be liberated by Kirk. In THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER Spock has to call Kirk to senses before he rescues Edith Keeler. In AMOK TIME Spock is literally out of his mind because of him being lovestruck. In WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS? Scotty gets himself almost killed for Palamas despite a stern warning from Kirk not to provoke Apollo. In SPECTRE OF THE GUN Chekov manages to get himself killed over a woman he barely knows. In REQUIEM FOR METHUSELAH Kirk is again heavily incapacitated by an undying love while Spock matches him in ALL OUR YESTERDAYS.

While I appreciate a feminist perspective on films and am fully aware of the fact that the constant repeating of certain stereotypes makes them problematic, statements like in @11 “as a woman she embarasses me” in the end lead to a monolithic “only strong female characters are good characters” stance which does much more harm than good. If then men would protest equally strong against their depiction as dumb, sex-driven brutes we’d soon have only completely neutered stories.

Also I don’t see @5 the speed of her downfall as a problem because she’s clearly a very submissive person and the perfect match for an ultra-dominant type like Khan. They’re a match in heaven (or in hell) and their scenes look perfectly fine for me as an illustration of how people are ready to submit to a stronger will and lose themselves in a sexual attraction, they are a sexualized representation of a dictator’s sway over large masses. But being submissive is one thing, being a participant in a killing (which requires an active part) is another which is why I find her turnaround quite logical.

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9 years ago

#22

No, I don’t hold that against writers of 1960’s Hollywood. I do however hold it against the writers of Star Trek Into Darkness. Aside from the cultural stuff, there are so many Indian actors working today. Bollywood is a big thing now. There’s no good reason they had to whitewash his character, other than pick a trendy English actor.

Though they could’ve included an explanation for this: have Admiral Marcus forcibly give Khan surgery, changing his race, robbing him of his cultural identity, and thus giving him even more reason for his vengeance. Which I suppose could’ve been a sort of meta commentary of Hollywood whitewashing characters. My goodness, that would’ve been edgy and bordering on genuine Star Trek! Yikes!

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Eduardo Jencarelli
9 years ago

@22: Indeed, that’s how the shows were designed. Sadly, they didn’t take advantage of the single episode they had to properly and believably develop the character. Since we’re only given 50 minutes to tell a story, we have to be introduced to her erratic behavior right away, with a scene where she takes forever to answer Kirk’s landing party call. Since it’s established that you only serve on the Enterprise if you’re a competent officer, you can’t help but wonder how on Earth she got drafted to the ship.

I don’t know how else I would improve the character. I know it couldn’t be done back then, but at least introducing her a bit earlier in the season would have softened the impact, by establishing her as different from the Starfleet norm. And as I’ve pointed out, recurring characters weren’t an anomaly, even in the 60’s. Riley had reappeared by this point , and if I’m not mistaken, DeSalle would turn up again on This Side of Paradise.

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Eduardo Jencarelli
9 years ago

@27: I imagine this wouldn’t even be an issue right now, had they stuck to the character simply being ‘John Harrison’, instead of shoehorning Khan.

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9 years ago

#29

Agreed.

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9 years ago

@29 & 30 – This issue isn’t helped that after fandom figured out the secret villain was Khan, they were told over and over ‘Oh no! It’s definitely NOT Khan’, only for the twist to be that it was, of course, Khan…

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@29/Eduardo: Roberto Orci didn’t want the villain of STID to be Khan, feeling that was unnecessary continuity porn; it was Damon Lindelof who pushed for him to be Khan. Orci insisted that they break the story with an original character as the villain, to ensure that the plot worked on its own merit rather than resting on the continuity nod alone. Only then did they decide whether or not to make the character Khan. Ironically, I think that STID is a much better Khan story than TWOK was, because I can actually recognize the Khan of “Space Seed,” the cunning, rational conqueror who’s loyal to his people — unlike in TWOK where that personality gives way completely to the vengeful lunatic who throws his people’s lives away just to get back at Kirk. In contrast to Keith, I don’t think STID has that much in common with TWOK at all, aside from that one really contrived and clunky bit with the Kirk/Spock death scene and the “KHAAAN” yell homaged in reverse. Unfortunately, that bit was so jarring that it colors people’s perception of the whole movie.

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Greg Cox
9 years ago

To answer a question that came up earlier: I indeed figured that Khan sees himself as above mere human traditions. (There’s a scene in one of the novels where he cuts off his beard to demonstrate that he is not bound by any authority other than his own.)  And, in fact, the onscreen Khan never speaks of being a Sikh or his religion;  he identifies as a superhuman first and foremost. That’s how he defines himself. 

Nothing in the episode or movies indicates that Khan is religious in any way. He only worships himself.

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9 years ago

I’ve always loved this episode and could easily see the sequel in Wrath of Khan.  Ricardo what’shisnamehe was that dude in Conquest of the Planet of the APes plays Khan so well and with such presence and arrogance that his end in Khan makes absolute sense, this guy will end up either winning and being killed or he will be killed because he let his arrogance and lust for revenge kill him.  And his performance of Khan gave me three great books that are among my favorite Trek novels.

Just a great episode all around, the writing, McCoy, Uhura’s defiance et al. 

Which just makes INto Darkness so annoying. Everytime I see this episode I launch into such a huge rant about how off the mark Darkness was that my wife almost wants to play it because she thinks its so funny.

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9 years ago

@32 ChristopherLBennett: I did not know that about Orci and Lindelof.  I always thought it was Orci’s fault.  Now I feel kinda bad about that.

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9 years ago

#32

I think STID leans too close to TWOK in the revenge theme, except with the latter it was against a character we knew and cared about. Marcus? Well, there’s a bit of name recognition. I’ll give them that. All in all, STID felt like a big mixed bag of things we’d seen before. And though the reactor scene is an awful bit of “fan service” (or homage or whatever they want to call it), there may have been a way to make it less egregious: have Khan die saving the ship instead of Kirk. Because Kirk learning true leadership and sacrifice from Khan Noonien Singh of all people would have, in my opinion, been a far more satisfying ending. Irony levels through the roof.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@34/Loungeshep: But that’s just what I think TWOK got wrong about Khan. In this episode, he isn’t driven by vengeance. He uses violence as a tool to pursue power, not for personal motives. He tries to kill Kirk to take his ship, but once Kirk defeats him, Khan is gracious in defeat and respectful toward Kirk. He doesn’t take it personally. He’s too smart for that. Yes, he’s arrogant, but that’s exactly why he wouldn’t feel threatened by the occasional setback, but instead would be confident that he could surmount it in time. The Khan of TWOK is much dumber, blinded to good judgment and good strategy by his emotion and his personal vendetta.

Well, maybe “wrong” isn’t the word. TWOK did justify it — he was made bitter and/or mad by the 15 years of hardship and the loss of his beloved wife. But it was a major change from his original personality, not a natural outgrowth of it. I think STID got Khan right by portraying him like the “Space Seed” version of the character, a rational and calculating man who uses whatever means will help him gain an advantage and advance the cause of his people, whether violence or surrender or alliance. There’s a more consistent throughline between the Khan of “Space Seed” and the Khan of STID than there is between either of those and the Khan of TWOK. Which is logical, since neither the Khan of “Space Seed” nor the Khan of STID has been changed by 15 years of exile on a barely habitable planet.

 

@36/GeorgeKaplan: I think Khan’s vendetta against Marcus in STID is very different from his vendetta against Kirk, because Marcus posed an actual threat to Khan’s people, having held them hostage in cryosleep for a year and having made plans to exterminate them. Khan’s actions were undertaken to liberate his people and eliminate an imminent threat to their survival. In the Prime history, Kirk had actually been generous to Khan and his people by giving them freedom and opportunity on Ceti Alpha V; it wasn’t his fault that the neighboring planet blew up, and while a case could be made that he should’ve checked up on them from time to time, that’s a sin of omission at worst, and a pretty flimsy and irrational basis for a vendetta. Protecting your people from someone who’s actively tring to kill them is a very different thing from just being mad at someone for not noticing you were in trouble.

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9 years ago

@37 ChristopherLBennett  I can see what you mean with Khan from Space Seed to Wrath of Khan, it’s a bit of a stretch. Though I’ve always seen it as an intentional degradation of his character from 15 years of hardship on a dead planet trying to keep his people alive and mourning the loss of not just McGivers but also many of his people.  I sort of have a harder time grasping the Khan from Darkness. I can get his drive to free his people, but I just felt like this newer Khan was more brutal than the Prime Khan.  Of course I”m arguing for a movie Khan that had such a bloody vendetta that he would blow himself up with the Genesis torpedo just to take out Kirk’s ship.  At this point all I can throw in is Khan from Darkness could be more like Wrath of Khan’s Khan except instead of being exiled and facing loss, Khan was used by Starfleet and after finding out Marcus’ plans decided to take a more brutal approach to saving his people. Into Darkness Khan had the same desire for Vendetta against Marcus that Wrath of Khan’s Khan had against Kirk.

Actually you’ve made some really good points I hadn’t considered before and debating Khan with a trek author may be the highlight of my career as a Trek fan. Thank you.

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9 years ago

#37

You make some good points. However, I don’t think “rational and calculating” is the best way to describe the Khan of STID. Hiding his people in torpedoes? Okay… guess it’s always the… strangest, most precarious place you look.

What’s funny is this reputation Khan has for cunning. Let’s review. He’s defeated by a human hitting him really hard, then his inability to understand space combat in three dimensions, plus his inability to “let it go, let it go,” and finally a Vulcan hitting him really hard. Not exactly the ubermensch he’s cracked up to be, is he? The bad guys from the Scooby Doo show may have had more success.

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richf
9 years ago

I always felt, from my first viewing of TWOK, that having Khan and Chekov recognize each other was a missed opportunity. It would have made Khan’s capture of Reliant and escape from Ceti Alpha V make far more sense if he just didn’t know either Terrell or Chekov. The way it was written, not only does it call into question how they know each other (which has lots of good explanations, many of which have already been presented) but also presents the bigger problem of why Chekov would (1) forget which star system Khan was in, (2) not know that Ceti Alpha VI didn’t exist anymore, and (3) combine mistakes 1 and 2 and beam down into Khan’s back yard.  Thankfully, Greg Cox provided the best possible explanation for these “mistakes” which turned out not to be mistakes at all, but rather Chekov unwillingly following standing orders despite knowing where he was.

What was never explained was: (1) why Captain (later Admiral) Kirk never bothered to check up on Khan’s progress, especially since at the end of Space Seed, Spock spoke the line that gives the title its meaning, that it would be interesting to come back and learn what crop had sprung from the seed that was planted there; and (2) how the Botany Bay itself ended up on Ceti Alpha V (“Botany Bay!  Oh no!”) when Khan discarded it after capturing the Enterprise.  Did they go back and pick it up?

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@40/richf: I always interpreted the cargo containers that Khan’s people lived in on Ceti Alpha V to correspond to the boxy segments in the middle section of the Botany Bay. Or maybe they were stored inside those boxy segments, explaining why they don’t look quite the same. So yeah, I figure they went back and salvaged the ship.

There are countless other things about TWOK that don’t make sense, but I don’t want to get into them here if I can avoid it.

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Turukano
9 years ago

Spock also reveals a fact that isn’t in the traditional histories: About 80-90 percent of the genetically enhanced people were unaccounted for.

KIRK: Interesting, if true. They created a group of Alexanders, Napoleons.
SPOCK: I have collected some names and made some counts. By my estimate, there were some eighty or ninety of these young supermen unaccounted for when they were finally defeated.
KIRK: That fact isn’t in the history texts.
SPOCK: Would you reveal to war-weary populations that some eighty Napoleons might still be alive?

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Glenn Greenberg
9 years ago

This episode played a key role in making me the Star Trek fan that I am today. Amusingly enough (to ME anyway), I don’t believe I ever saw it until AFTER I went to see STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN. 

As I’ve noted on my blog, THE MOTION PICTURE turned me on to Star Trek, but it was THE WRATH OF KHAN that made me fall in love with the series. I didn’t need to have seen “Space Seed” to fully enjoy its sequel. But luckily, Channel 11 in NYC put the episode in heavy rotation once the movie became a hit. When I finally got to see “Space Seed,” I was extremely impressed by how well it and TWOK complemented each other. Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer did an admirable job continuing the story of Khan and his people, and showed great fidelity to, and respect for, the source material. That isn’t always the case when the writer of the original story is not involved in the follow-up. Earlier drafts of TWOK, specifically the one written by the credited screenwriter, Jack B. Sowards, deviated from “Space Seed” by giving Khan mental powers. He could make you see things that weren’t there. Thankfully, this idea was abandoned. 

It’s very easy to see why Bennett zeroed in on this episode when he was fishing around for an idea for STAR TREK II. It’s undoubtedly one of the best installments of the series, despite the weakness of Marla McGivers’s character and the obvious use of stuntmen during the climactic fight scene. Ricardo Montalban made an indelible mark and was the dominant force–I can only imagine how William Shatner must have felt filming this episode. The writing is excellent. “Space Seed” deserves the reputation it has gained in the years since TWOK warped into movie theaters and brought new attention to the episode, which up until that point was relatively underrated. (“The City on the Edge of Forever” and “The Trouble With Tribbles” were the ones that got pretty much ALL the attention before that.)

Thanks, Keith, for the mention about–and the link to–my solution to the Khan/Chekov conundrum. Always seemed to me that the fans–some of them, at least–made waaaay too big a deal about it, especially when there was a perfect valid explanation for it.  

Reminiscing about “Space Seed”… what a nice way to spend my birthday!  :-)

Glenn Greenberg

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Crusader75
9 years ago

I don’t think Khan in WOK really loses it until after Kirk escapes from the Genesis Cave.  Up until then he had been following a somewhat rational course of action:  investigate the Reliant’s mission, deal with the Starfleet ship sent to backup the Reliant (how delicious for Khan that it is Kirk and the Enterprise) and leave with the loot.  It is that Kirk keeps wriggling free of his traps and goading him about it that causes to lose his stuff.   That part of his character was always there as evidenced in small part by Khan’s “we offered the world order!” mini rant.

@10 – If the eugenicists were selectively breeding from a racially diverse stock, then the end product would be a breed that would be not really identifiable as any particular race or ethnicity.  Though that might be difficult to show during the ’60s on a tight budget.

@30 – I recall someone suggesting that it might have been better if the Cumberbatch character in STID was Joachim rather than Khan.  The loyal lieutenant trying to save his leader and their people may have fitted his character better though more casual viewers might not realize who he was.

@33 – Given that Khan is a product of a eugenics experiment that apparently had the goal of taking control of a significant portion of the world, I imagine that being a Sikh was little more than a cover story for him to infiltrate his target nation.  His true culture was that of the eugenics program and having left 20th century Earth behind there was no longer any reason to maintain the ruse that he was a Sikh.

@41 – I suppose Kirk went back and retrieved the Botany Bay.  Khan and his people probably had colonization equipment stored aboard

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@43/Glenn Greenberg: Sorry, I don’t see that much fidelity to the source material in TWOK. Khan’s followers go from multiethnic to all-white and become decades younger. Joaquin becomes Joachim. They somehow have movie-era Starfleet equipment and uniform pieces in their possession despite having been isolated for 15 years. Khan recognizes a character who wasn’t in the episode (which, yes, can be rationalized after the fact, but is still a change in the text).

Well, I suppose that by the standards of ’70s/’80s TV, it was relatively faithful in the sense that it actually acknowledged the events of the episode in some form and brought back the same actor, despite the various continuity tweaks. At the time, and in Harve Bennett’s own career, continuity was a loose affair. There was an episode of Bennett’s The Six Million Dollar Man that referred back to the events of the pilot movie but replaced Barbara Anderson’s character with a different love interest as well as making other story changes (and of course the series had already retconned a lot from the pilot movie, making Steve Austin an Air Force colonel instead of a civilian and having Oscar Goldman rather than Oliver Spencer be responsible for Steve’s bionics). And such inexact retellings of earlier stories were fairly common in the day, since audiences had fewer chances to revisit the old episodes and see how the writers were fudging the details. Still, I daresay it was Trek fans who pretty much pioneered obsessive attention to detail (at least where modern genre TV is concerned; Sherlock Holmes fans probably have them beat by decades), and TWOK gives us plenty of continuity fudges to complain about.

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9 years ago

I’m confused. In comments regarding previous episodes it was stated that having Sulu being interested in Asian things like samurai is bad, because it’s stereotypical. But now suddenly having Khan not wearing a beard, turban etc. despite being a Sikh is also bad? 

I agree with the commenters saying that statements like “only strong female characters are good characters” are quite harmful… Why can men be pricks, but if a woman is weak or incompetent this is bad? 

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9 years ago

I may or may not have seen TWOK before I saw this episode, I can’t remember.  But I have to admit most of my enjoyment of this episode comes from it setting up TWOK.  But there are a number of things that make the episode work reasonably well on its own, in particular Montalban, who really sells the egomaniac who’s nonetheless charismatic enough to amass a following.

I do find it hilarious that Kirk is able to win the fight because a random piece of the engineering set came out of its socket.  Has anyone ever come up with an explanation for that that “club” was?  I assume it’s something that’s supposed to be removable…?

Also, Greg Cox, good point about why don’t they ever consult with the historians during the time travel episodes!  Maybe when Spock reads stuff on his little screen, it’s a report quickly whipped up and emailed by the history department.

 -Andy

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@46/salix_caprea: “I’m confused. In comments regarding previous episodes it was stated that having Sulu being interested in Asian things like samurai is bad, because it’s stereotypical. But now suddenly having Khan not wearing a beard, turban etc. despite being a Sikh is also bad?”

That’s a false equivalency. Being Asian is an ethnicity. A person of Asian heritage does not have to conform to a single specific culture. The tendency of a lot of fiction to assume that every Asian person is, say, a martial-arts expert or a math genius is stereotyping. The error is in mistaking ethnicity for culture or personality.

But Sikhism is a specific religion and culture, not an ethnic group. Moreover, Sikhism is a religion that requires certain practices of its initiated members. So it’s a different kind of mistake altogether. The error in this case is misrepresenting a specific, clearly defined religious practice. It’s like showing a Jewish or Muslim person having a ham sandwich.

Now, if the episode had said, as Greg’s book did, that Khan was raised as a Sikh but chose not to follow the requirements of that faith, that would be fine. Even followers of a religion have individuality in how they practice it; for instance, Marvel’s Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel is a practicing Muslim but doesn’t cover her hair with a scarf, while her best friend does. But what we got instead was Marla seeing an unconscious Khan and somehow “recognizing” him as a Sikh even though he didn’t have any of the recognizable signs. That’s simply a factual error — there was no way she could’ve known that based on what she saw.

There is more than one way to be culturally insensitive or ignorant. Stereotyping foreign cultures and portraying their specfics incorrectly both qualify. In fact, they usually go hand in hand.

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9 years ago

@48. ChristopherLBennett, thanks for the explanation. I’m not familiar with the Sikh culture and so hearing Marla say “he looks like a Sikh” I automatically decided it’s an ethnicity (otherwise it’s like saying “he looks like a Christian” which doesn’t make much sense). 

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9 years ago

Yeah, my own personal headcanon for STID is that “John Harrison” is not actually Khan Noonien Singh, but is another one of the genetically-enhanced types pretending to be Khan for some reason or other.

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9 years ago

@45/Christopher – On Joaquin becoming Joachim, I realize it’s not canon, but I like Greg Cox’s version from To Reign in Hell, where Joachim is Joaquin’s son raised by Khan as his own. 

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9 years ago

Sooo…perhaps Marla isn’t such a great historian after all :)

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9 years ago

Doubtful we’ll see an Enterprise rewatch, so what’s your opinion of the Augment trilogy? Keith? CLB? Anybody?

I thought it did a pretty good job remaking Space Seed and TWOK without remaking them, if that makes sense. And it was interesting to see a member of the Soong family involved.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

Since everything important has already been said, just let me add that I like the pacing of this episode – first things move quite slowly, with a lot of talking and Khan and our heroes checking each other out. Then, as soon as they find out who he really is, everything happens very fast.

I also like it that Kirk looks really frightened when Khan crushes his phaser. Good acting and a good counterbalance to the slight “superhuman Kirk” tendencies the episode has.

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9 years ago

I wonder if the set designers were thinking about reactor cooling rods/control rods.  That’s what I usually assume.

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Nor'easter
9 years ago

Others have already pointed out that Sikhism is a religion, not an ethnicity, so Marla’s guess that the still-hibernating Khan is probably a Sikh doesn’t make sense,

And even knowing that Khan’s full name is Khan Noonien Singh doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Sikh:  there are plenty of Indians named Singh who are not Sikhs.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@53/GeorgeKaplan: I thought the Augment trilogy worked pretty well overall. It was maybe a bit too TWOK-like in some ways (including casting white actors as characters with names from other cultures, like Malik and Persis), but Alec Newman was good as Malik. I liked that it didn’t take a one-sided view of genetic engineering, that it acknowledged the moral ambiguities and the potential good the technology could do, and suggested that the Augments were hyperaggressive because of a flaw in their design (or a deliberate choice to favor heightened agression/ambition over heightened compassion) rather than because of some universal law. After all, “superior ability breeds superior ambition” doesn’t really make sense. Vulcans have superior abilities to humans, but they didn’t become conquerors (although a pre-series Archer might’ve disagreed with that assertion, not entirely without merit).

It also meshed surprisingly well with existing continuity, and helped explain the silliness of DS9’s assertion that a ban on genetic engineering still existed in the 24th century because of the events of the 20th. No civilization behaves that way. What may be feared by one generation is unlikely to be feared equally by their great-to-the-twelfth-grandchildren. Having a second Augment crisis in the 22nd century, along with Khan’s return in the 23rd century, makes it a little more plausible that the fear would be kept alive — although I still think it’s out of character for the Federation to see only the dangers of technological progress and blind itself to the benefits.

 

@55/StrongDreams: The cooling-rod thing doesn’t make sense to me, since the rods were in the base of the control console and only deep enough to reach to the wall. So they wouldn’t have been in contact with any kind of reactor fuel — only with the circuitry inside the control console. But I’ve never been able to come up with a plausible idea for what they are. They seem to have some kind of pointers on the front ends, like some kind of dials. Maybe they were supposed to be dials for turning some kind of controls buried in the back of the console, but that would be an odd design — and in that case, why make them heavy enough to use as clubs?

 

@56/Nor’easter: The frustrating thing is that the show’s researcher, Kellam DeForest, sent a memo that addressed the problems with the whole Sikh thing, but it was largely ignored. It’s quoted at the excellent Star Trek Fact Check blog. It points out that a Sikh would only be visually recognizable by the unshorn hair and beard, and suggests the name Govind Bahadur Singh for the character. Roddenberry did take DeForest’s advice about the Singh surname, at least, since the character was called Sibahl Khan Noonien before that. There are a few other notes that apparently were followed, like coming up with a reason for Kirk not to shoot Khan in the final battle.

Just imagine… we could’ve ended up with a movie called The Wrath of Govind. “GOVINNNNNNNND!!!!!!”

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9 years ago

#57

Thanks for the mini-review, CLB. I agree with your points. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Enterprise—up until that point. I was surprised with how much I enjoyed it. And though some of them were pretty bonk-bonk on the head, I liked the references to TOS and TNG, especially the Soong family’s future androids being tied to Arik’s failure with the Augments. That was a cool link, I thought. Maybe a bit small universe, but sometimes those things work for me. And finally Noonian Soong and Khan Noonien Singh made more sense, in-universe that is.

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Glenn Greenberg
9 years ago

@45/ChristopherLBennett — What can I say, man? It all worked for me. Still does. I would have been far more troubled if they had gone forward with Jack B. Sowards’s idea and given Khan mental powers.

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Nor'easter
9 years ago

@57/ChristopherLBennett:  Thanks for that link, very interesting.

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9 years ago

#61

Oh yes, Spiner did not disappoint. Easily the best part of those episodes was his performance. (Arik was like a Mirror Universe version of Noonian.) And as CLB pointed out, Alec Newman was good as Malik, a Khan junior of sorts.

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9 years ago

This episode is still one of my favorites. While I originally got interested in it because of TWOK, I think it definitely stands on its own. Others have hit on the reasons why: Great acting by Montalban–he just brings a great air of both menace and sophistication to Khan, good dialogue, a great scene with McCoy. I think the interactions between Kirk and Khan are just great. There are just some great things to think about in this one as well. The dinner party scene is fantastic (@7 Lisamarie: Don’t forget, “We?”), but I also like when Khan is telling Kirk that while they’ve made technological advancements, Man himself [sic] has changed very little. And this is a thing I actually think about a lot. At our very core, humans today aren’t really different from the ancients. There are examples of writing describing societies, when read out of context, sound like they could be written about our society today, but then you find out they were written 2,000 years ago or something like that. And I think I saw somewhere an estimate that “anatomically modern” humans have been around for 50,000 years, meaning a human from 50,000 years ago was capable of every action and thought pattern that we today are capable of, given the right circumstances. So really, if human society is different in a different time period–either independent of or in conjunction with technology–it is really mostly due to a change in societal attitudes. And I think this is part of what the Starfleet ideal of Trek is about (that I think mostly came about Next Gen era and beyond): It’s not that humans have really evolved or changed, but rather societal attitudes have. And this is where Khan in his arrogance mostly underestimated the Enterprise crew: he saw in McGivers someone he could manipulate, and assumed that everyone was the same way, because it was what he was used to. He did not anticipate the defiance of the bridge crew.

There are some nitpicky details, but overall I think this episode is mostly just pretty gripping. It has that kind of atmosphere and emotional pull that makes watching a visual medium good despite flaws. I think when we tend to nitpick the problems in a piece of media, it’s because we weren’t really feeling it in the first place. So I think that qualitative kind of engagement is very important for tv or movies, and this episode certainly has that engagement for me. And it’s kind of interesting comparing episodes sometimes, because you can take an episode like, say, “Shore Leave,” and then look at this one, and it’s like it’s two completely different shows.

Regarding whether or not Khan was a good example of a Sikh: Does the episode ever confirm that Khan IS a Sikh? All I can remember is Marla looking at him in the tube and saying, “From the Northern India area I would guess. Probably a Sikh.” But the episode doesn’t really lead us to believe that she could be butt utterly wrong about that. She even says probably. As though she’s making the assumption that anyone from India is a Sikh. I think her speciality was just generically the 20th century or something like that, so maybe not cultures and religions. Though I might be willing to concede that having the line in there and leaving it be an intentional implication that he actually is Sikh, and that it’s a flaw of the episode whether intentional or not. But I just don’t see why we can’t assume that she was just wrong.

Oh, and the picture of Khan whispering to Kirk reminds me of something I can never get out of my head when I see it: When Khan is wriggling his mouth to say, “How—how long?” I’m always thinking, “Oil can.”

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9 years ago

Also, I think this post is out of order on the index. Clicking “previous” took me to the “Announcing the rewatch” post.

 

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Sara
9 years ago

Here’s my unforgivable sin:

In TWOK it’s mentioned that Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, affecting the orbit of Ceti Alpha 5. But, planets are numbered from the inner-most out. So if Ceti Alpha 6 no longer exists, how does that throw off Chevkov’s count? Ceti Alpha 5 is still the 5th planet of the Ceti Alpha system!

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9 years ago

#63

Khan sees a portrait McGivers has painted of him wearing a Sikh turban. Khan says he’s honored by it. So he’s either being extremely polite by not pointing out how totally wrong her assumption was or he’s confirming his cultural roots.

#65

I thought when CA VI exploded, CA V was, depending on its position relative to VI, pushed into an outer orbit by the gravitational forces. And so it was assumed by Reliant that CA V had exploded. I know this is very iffy and the science is probably completely bogus, but it works in my head canon.

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Random22
9 years ago

@65 Maybe a moon or lump of planet from the exploded CA6 settled into a closer orbit, it doesn’t have to be a direct swap or anything just further in, and that threw off the count. I head canon that a lot of star systems are only sketchily charted at best (done quickly and in haste in the scramble for space, which ST:ENT kinda supports, and cobbled together from the charts of over a dozen species and civilizations) and a lot of the time when a ship tasked to a detailed mission arrives in-system there is a lot of tired eye-rolling about how the charts are not completely correct, again, and they sort of have to do some clean up to get things to fit. In this case there was some moaning about how whoever charted this system got the numbering right, but screwed up one of the orbital calculations and sizing of one of the inner planets, so they just corrected it automatically without really telling anyone. That is how I make it work anyway.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@66/GeorgeKaplan: The problem is that distance from the star is not the only orbital parameter that matters if you want to identify a planet, because planets are not stationary objects lined up in a straight row like so many works of fiction annoyingly assume they are. They are moving bodies whose courses are defined by six distinct elements. In order for a starship to rendezvous with a planet, it needs to match all six of those parameters. It’s like trying to catch up with a car racing around an elliptical racetrack at high speed. You can’t just count how far out it is from the center of the track — you have to match its exact speed and course and position while it’s in motion.

There is simply no way that the explosion of the sixth planet in a system would cause the fifth planet to somehow be sucked into the exact same orbit. First off, explosions in space don’t have shock waves (despite Trek constantly making that mistake), since shock can’t propagate through a vacuum. The only effects would be from radiation or debris impact, neither of which would push a planet out of its orbit, or from the gravitational effects from the change in the system’s mass distribution, which would probably take many millennia to settle in.

I think Greg Cox did a pretty good job rationalizing it in To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh, saying that it was the result of a cosmic string passing through the system, its hyperstrong gravity destroying the sixth planet and disrupting the orbit of the fifth. It doesn’t entirely work, but it makes more sense than the movie did.

 

@67/Random22: The problem with the idea of the charts being inaccurate is that in real life, right now, we’re charting extrasolar planets in thousands of different star systems. You don’t need to go to another star system before you can chart its planets; that’s a false assumption based on our Earthly experience where distant things are below the horizon and you can’t see them until you get close. But space has no horizons. You can see things from hundreds or thousands of light years away if you have a good enough telescope. So the idea that they could’ve not known the correct orbits of the planets in the system before they got there is unbelievable.

Indeed, given that Starfleet has faster-than-light sensors, an event as massive as the destruction of an entire planet would’ve been detected by Federation scientists almost as soon as it happened. After all, the energy required to disintegrate an Earth-sized planet is comparable to the Sun’s entire output for a week. Given that Alpha Ceti is about 1400 times brighter than Sol, if that explosion took only, say, one minute, then the event would outshine the star by about a factor of eight. It would be impossible to miss. Even if there were no FTL sensors, then the Reliant would’ve intersected that light once they crossed with 15 light-years of the system. They would’ve seen the energy output from the system suddenly get eight to ten times brighter for a minute, and they absolutely would’ve wanted to know why. And their telescopes would’ve shown them that Ceti Alpha VI had disintegrated long before they entered the system.

But since they did have FTL sensors, then the Federation should’ve known about the eruption for the past 15 years — and would’ve sent a ship to investigate 15 years earlier. Khan’s people should’ve gotten off the planet during the second season of TOS!

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Random22
9 years ago

With respect, the observations we’re making cannot be confirmed as accurate until we get someone on-site to verify the readings made from our own solitary planet. There is plenty of room for error, inaccuracy, and cock-up yet.

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9 years ago

I agree with the commenters saying that statements like “only strong female characters are good characters” are quite harmful… Why can men be pricks, but if a woman is weak or incompetent this is bad? 

With a primarily male crew, when men are pricks on the show, this is counterbalanced by our crew being loyal and true for the most part. Star Trek had and dumped the Janice Rand character, for a variety of reasons and never replaced her with a new recurring female counter part. They also had Uhura, but she was so often limited to “opening hailing frequencies”. Yes, when she got a role she often did well. She also got to tell Kirk that she was “scared” when males never voiced that.

However a really large number of female guest stars get all influenced by briefly meeting men who turn them on. The examples of the female crew who do this has already been listed above. The other thing is that very, very often females of other cultures are more than willing to betray those cultures based on Jim Kirk, or occasionally McCoy or Scotty  being hot and kissing them, or at least convincing them that their lifelong beliefs are wrong. Even female robots can’t resist their sex drives. The men who do follow their di— emotions don’t end up helping people who try to kill roomfuls of people and then get to stay with their loves. Marla is part of a really unfortunate pattern on ST:TOS.

McCoy is so much in love with his ex-girlfriend in MAN TRAP that he only at the very last moment recognizes the monster for what it is. Kirk flirts with Lenore in CONSCIENCE OF THE KING so long and heavily that he doesn’t recognize her as the killer until it’s too late. Kirk is again heavily distracted by a former girlfriend throughout SHORE LEAVE while mayhem is going on. in THIS SIDE OF PARADISE Spock falls completely for the former woman in his life and has to be liberated by Kirk. In THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER Spock has to call Kirk to senses before he rescues Edith Keeler. In AMOK TIME Spock is literally out of his mind because of him being lovestruck. In WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS? Scotty gets himself almost killed for Palamas despite a stern warning from Kirk not to provoke Apollo. In SPECTRE OF THE GUN Chekov manages to get himself killed over a woman he barely knows. In REQUIEM FOR METHUSELAH Kirk is again heavily incapacitated by an undying love while Spock matches him in ALL OUR YESTERDAYS.

The big difference is that in most of these, the men are reacting to women they have known before. McCoy isn’t falling for someone he just met, he’s falling for a woman he had a history with. All the cases with Spock involve him being physically altered in one way or another. Kirk knew Edith Keeler for at least a month and doesn’t even consider betraying time for her. With Lenore, Kirk is focused on proving he father is the war criminal and in RFM he doesn’t endanger the ship. Chekov disregards his own safety, he doesn’t commit mutiny. The same goes for Scotty. All this is very different from Marla who betrays the Enterprise and puts the entire crew in danger because “Khan is cute and she’s easily manipulated”. Although requiring women to be strong to be good characters can be a problem, having almost no examples of strong women and only examples of women who don’t think, but only make decisions based on their emotions and hormones is really a problem because it falls into such strongly held stereotypes

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@69/Random22:”With respect, the observations we’re making cannot be confirmed as accurate until we get someone on-site to verify the readings made from our own solitary planet.”

“Cannot” why? The current state of the art of exoplanet detection is not the best it’s ever going to get. Naturally it’s going to improve considerably in centuries to come. There will be more powerful telescopes and sensors. There will be thousands of Federation starships, bases, and research outposts scattered across space, all with their own powerful telescopes and sensors, able to get readings on a star system from multiple distances and vantage points.

Not to mention, of course, that the Enterprise must’ve spent days actually in the Ceti Alpha system settling Khan’s people there in the wake of “Space Seed.” So of course Starfleet would’ve had accurate charts of the system from the Enterprise‘s own scans if nothing else.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@66/GeorgeKaplan: When Khan sees his portrait, it tells him that McGivers is so fascinated by him that she’s even painting him. He wouldn’t point out any mistakes to her, not because he’s polite, but because he wants to manipulate her.

@70/percysowner: I don’t agree. TOS had lots of cool female guest stars to counterbalance McGivers (remember Helen Noel?). And the alien females Kirk tries to seduce act quite differently too – Sylvia finds out immediately that she’s being manipulated and rejects him, Kelinda seems to know it too but goes along with it because she’s having fun… Concerning convincing someone that their beliefs are wrong, they do that to males too. Last week’s episode is an example.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@72/Jana: I find that Kirk is more likely to strike out with the women he tries to seduce in episodes written by women — e.g. “By Any Other Name” by Dorothy Fontana or “Is There in Truth No Beauty?” by Jean Lisette Aroeste.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

Maybe Section 31 was involved in covering up the whole Khan incident, up to an including renumbering the planets on everyone’s star charts…

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@74/MikePoteet: That’s pretty much what I’m thinking — that maybe S31 (in the person of the Prime-timeline Alexander Marcus, perhaps?) fudged the records and arranged for the Reliant to be sent to Ceti Alpha as part of the Genesis survey as a cover for an investigation of Khan’s people. Although it doesn’t explain why Federation astronomers wouldn’t have seen an event as highly visible as the destruction of a planet. There are a lot of sci-fi stories that postulate the government covering up events that happen in outer space, such as alien invasions or asteroids headed for Earth or what-have-you, and they’re usually pretty stupid, because events in space are perfectly visible just by looking up. There are amateur and professional astronomers surveying pretty much the entire sky at any given time.

Ironically, one of the only shows to get this right was the otherwise monumentally stupid Galactica 1980. In “The Night the Cylons Landed,” when the military detected a Cylon fighter descending into Earth’s atmosphere, an Air Force colonel suggested covering it up but was told that every observatory was already tracking it. Perhaps they got that right because it wasn’t long after the July 1979 re-entry and crash of the Skylab space station, which is repeatedly referenced in the episode.

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9 years ago

@63/crzydroid –

Regarding whether or not Khan was a good example of a Sikh: Does the episode ever confirm that Khan IS a Sikh? All I can remember is Marla looking at him in the tube and saying, “From the Northern India area I would guess. Probably a Sikh.” But the episode doesn’t really lead us to believe that she could be butt utterly wrong about that. She even says probably. As though she’s making the assumption that anyone from India is a Sikh. I think her speciality was just generically the 20th century or something like that, so maybe not cultures and religions. Though I might be willing to concede that having the line in there and leaving it be an intentional implication that he actually is Sikh, and that it’s a flaw of the episode whether intentional or not. But I just don’t see why we can’t assume that she was just wrong.

This is what I was saying the whole time further up the thread. :)

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Ellynne
9 years ago

So, the situation with the planet makes sense if we assume whoever/whatever destroyed the planet was also able to hide that destruction from any observers outside the solar system and that someone (likely the same party) destroyed or altered Starfleet records. 

My theory of the moment with McGivers:

One of the other problems with the episode is that McGivers, for whatever reason, is very susceptible to Khan in what seems to be an abusive relationship. Sending her with him at the end is just creepy. Time in prison would likely have been better for McGivers than a lifetime with Khan under those circumstances.

Is there an alternative reading?

It’s a stretch, but I do have one.

As Trek has an alternate history from ours, it’s possible McGivers has reasonable grounds for IDing the ship as being a northern Indian design and for believing the captain would be from the same area, even if the passengers were diverse. IDing him as a Sikh only makes sense if Sikhs in the Trek universe have given up major elements of their religion or if Sikhs were largely wiped out and the historical records McGivers knows have a lot of gaps. 

But, thinking about what might have happened to Sikhs during the Eugenics wars got me thinking. If they’d been mostly wiped out during that time and had built an almost legendary reputation for themselves as warriors, that would fit with them being major fighters against Khan. As I understand it, Sikhs don’t cut their hair because they are showing reverence for how God created them. That kind of reverence could give them a special horror of Eugenicists/Social Darwinists if they were fighting them.

That’s just wild speculation, of course. But, if I go with all that, it means McGivers IDed Khan as being from an area that was known for fighting against Khan’s side in the war and IDs Khan as belonging to a group he looks nothing like but who were especially known for being the Eugenicists’ enemies.

That suggests she’s lying from the beginning, before Khan’s even awake.

So, what would make her do this? This seems like more than lust at first sight. There’s no evidence McGivers belongs to a secret cult of Khan worshippers. What gives?

Here comes the wild theory du jour:

Ambition and conflict among themselves is what destroyed the Eugenicists. If they tried to counter this on a genetic level, they might have tried to genetically engineer people who would basically imprint on people like Khan and be subservient to them. That kind of alteration could remain undetected after the war since normal people would rarely trigger it. In fact, it the people with it were originally a subset of Khan’s people, their descendants would be more prone to being arrogant–like showing irritation when interrupted in a hobby (like painting) to come on duty.

If that’s so, McGivers was reacting to her genetic programming and Khan was mostly taking advantage of it. His acceptance of her as a “superior” woman was because she overcame the drive that had been bred into her to stand up to him and stop him.

OK, it’s not a well-supported theory, but I like it better than the alternative. It also gives me hope that McGivers wasn’t being shipped off to live with someone who would treat her like dirt. It gives the small possibility that Khan really had upgraded her in his mind to an equal.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@63 & 76: The issue is not about whether Khan “really” is a Sikh or whether the characters were right about that assessment, because the characters only do what the writers decide. The issue is that the 1960s television writers were typically ignorant and hamfisted in their attempts to portray non-Western culture. Which is doubly annoying given that their researcher actually informed them of the mistake and they didn’t fix it.

 

@77/Ellynne: You raise an excellent point. The Khan-Marla relationship does come off as abusive, with Khan controlling and threatening and Marla submitting. She stands up to him at one point, but then goes back to him at the end. It is problematical. Although I suppose the intended reading is that once she stood up to him, he respected her more as an equal — but that’s a questionable interpretation. Could he ever really have accepted a non-Augment as an equal?

Not so sure about the DY-100 class being an Indian design specifically. Even if it originated there, the episode gives the impression that the ships were used pretty widely for decades. And the name Botany Bay suggests a Western influence, at least. So just seeing the ship wouldn’t be enough to pin down the nationality of its passengers.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@75/Christopher – Ok, I won’t defend “the otherwise monumentally stupid Galactica 1980” except to say: the Colonials’ flying motorcycles were pretty frakkin’ cool. They stoked my sense of wonder when I was eight, and to a lesser, but still real, extent, they still do. Why didn’t RDM put those in the reboot, I’d like to know!

I am actually not a big fan of Section 31, in either timeline/reality — I tend to agree with Ken Ray of “Mission Log,” that if we can’t imagine a society where we’ve finally and fully moved past the need for such things, we’re in sorry shape — but I presume they would put out a lot of public misinformation about Ceti Alpha VI’s destruction as part of the cover-up, too. Threaten the Federation’s equivalent of Neil deGrasse Tyson or Carl Sagan to tell all those amateur astronomers, “No, no, you didn’t see what you think you saw.” (Something along these lines happens in Eric Cline’s new novel, Armada – it’s not real convincing there, either, but, ok, plot point, let’s move on.)

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@79/MikePoteet: Oh, I certainly don’t agree with Section 31’s self-serving claim that the Federation “needs” their dirty tricks. I think that both in reality and in Trek, such unethical tactics tend to backfire and do more to harm national security than to protect it. But I can buy that such an organization exists as a corrupt, criminal element within Starfleet — although I do have a great deal of trouble believing it could last over 200 years without being exposed and dismantled.

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9 years ago

#72

’60s TV writers were about as subtle as a photon torpedo. When a character would make an educated guess, about 99% of the time they were being exposition puppets. McGivers thought Khan was a Sikh because the writers wanted Khan to be a Sikh… of some kind. Sorry, I just don’t think TOS was ever as nuanced as you’re suggesting. At least in this episode, which amounts to: Khan likes woman. Khan takes woman. Khan likes Milton. Later, Kirk.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

81/George – Which brings up another, admittedly small point: John Milton was born in London, educated first at home and then at Cambridge, and then, as far I know, lived and worked in London the rest of his life (although he lived in official lodgings in Scotland Yard at some point). Why is it “a shame for a good Scotsman” like Scotty to admit that he’s not up on Milton? I am guessing it is because of Milton’s own Puritan sympathies — he defended the beheading of Charles I, and Cromwell’s short-lived, Presbyterian government — but that’s about as much as sense as I can make of that line. I mean, yes, Paradise Lost is an important piece of Protestant literature; but that’s missing the forest for the trees, because first and foremost it’s an important piece of Western and world literature. 

Maybe Scotty was raised a Calvinist? (I am probably reading my own biases into the situation!) Or do Scots tend to claim Milton as “one of their own,” and I’m unaware? (It’s certainly possible.)

It’s also struck me as funny that Kirk knows immediately which line Khan is thinking of from the mere mention of “Milton.” Yes, as Keith says in the recap, it’s the most famous Milton quote ever – but Milton wrote a lot. What if, given the context of whether he and his people were going to be set free, Khan was actually thinking of, “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties”? 

I admit I am picking a nit. I love the exchange, dramatically. But, as others have pointed out, we have a 23rd century where any culture past the 19th century is forgotten, and they apparently have no allusion-worthy popular culture of their own. (Well, ok, they have “Nightingale Woman.” And Kirk will remember Jacqueline Susann and Harold Robbins… Goodness, what do they teach in these schools?)

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9 years ago

@@@@@#55 et al.

I always assumed it was the 23rd Century equivalent of the belaying pin. Those were often used as improvised weapons during boarding actions. It’s clearly some kind of frequently used tool which would be utilized by more than one person at a time since there are several of them in the control console.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@74/Mike: I used to think that the data simply got lost, but your theory is much better.

@73/Christopher: On the other hand, “Catspaw” was written by a man, and “The Gamesters of Triskelion” was written by a woman. But maybe we shouldn’t count those, they are both so stupid.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@84/Jana: I wouldn’t put “Catspaw” in the same category as the others, since Sylvia herself was a temptress, deceiver, and witch, a misogynistic stereotype in its own right. Also, she was falling for Kirk’s act until she read his mind and saw the deception. That’s not the same as Kelinda being an independent woman more interested in pursuing her own pleasures than succumbing to a man’s wishes, or Miranda rebuffing his advance and being totally unmoved by his sweet talk because she has her own views and priorities that he just doesn’t get.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@85/Christopher: Yes, you’re right, that’s not the same thing at all. Horrible episode anyway.

@82/Mike: Besides “Nightingale Woman”, there’s also the poet Kirk quotes to Edith Keeler. But that’s all the future literature I can think of right now.

 

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aloysius
9 years ago

#10/Christopher L. Bennett: “if there had been one 19th-century eugenics group [that had] selectively bred for genuinely advantageous traits rather than just whiteness, it’s conceivable that […] they might’ve produced some pretty impressive specimens by the 1960s or ’70s…”

That’s pretty much the idea behind Heinlein’s Howard Families in Methuselah’s Children and other less memorable books – as I’m sure you’ll remember.

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9 years ago

So I’ve just start with watching Star Trek, and this rewatch is nice to read after watching an episode. I have to say though in this case I can’t quite agree with a rating of 9. I guess every episode has its errors which you have to overlook and it comes down to personal taste which ones weigh harder, but I couldn’t take this episode quite seriously

First, there’s obviously McGivers. I think it’s fine that she’s smitten by Khan, I’d say it’s not impossible given that he combines physical prowess and at the same time is very interesting to her regarding her profession. But that she would willingly betray the ship just because of that is, imho, ludicrous. And that she chose to go with him after everything he’s done (plus with a look that implies she’s not just doing it to evade the court martial) is disappointing too.

Then there’s the fact of Kirk giving him free access to the ship’s technical books. Time enough for him to catch up once they make sure he’s not a danger to them. Add to that the guard who conveniently stands with his back to the door for whatever reason, the fact no one finds him lying there, or notices the transporter room being in use, or someone being able to seize control from the bridge with no possibility of getting that control back – It was just a bit too much for me.

Oh, and leaving him on an unattended planet, even if harsh and uninhabited sounds like a terrible idea. Why would they do that?

I’d probably give it a 6 or a 7 considering Eugenics is an interesting topic and Khan a good character, even though I liked others better, like Kodos or  the Romulan Commander from Balance of Terror.

Two side notes:

Spock said it was 80-90 enhanced people unaccounted for, not 80-90%.

Also, there is no link to “The menagerie” on the index site, I could only find it with the “next week” link of the previous episode

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@86/Jana – Oh, yes, good catch. Although a part of me always wondered if Kirk wasn’t just making that poet up. I guess there’s no reason he should, but Shatner delivers the line so whimsically, I’ve just always wondered.

@88/Jineapple – First of all, welcome to Star Trek

Second, I think Kirk thinks he is paying Khan some respect by leaving him on Ceti Alpha V – as if to say, “You think you’re meant to forge a brand new world? Go for it, I’m giving you your freedom, here’s your big chance, make the most of it.” Now, given Khan’s past in Earth’s history, let alone his recent actions on the Enterprise, is that a smart thing to do? Probably not, as many commenters above have discussed, for various reasons. But I think it fits Kirk’s character, and (maybe someone has said this above) it’s one of the few times TOS Kirk really is a rule-breaker: rather than going “by the book,” he summarily drops all charges and sets everyone free, and lets McGivers go, too. 

On close inspection, no, it’s really a stupid, stupid idea. But in the moment, it kind of works.

Referencing again Kiel Stuart’s parodies, at the end, the Scotty character tells “Captain Jerk,” “I don’t know, captain. I think you’ll be sorry you’re doing this.” And the Spock character puts his head down on the table and says, “Not as sorry as I’ll be.” I thought that was hysterical when I first read it circa 1985, and it still makes me smile a little today.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@89/MikePoteet: But he isn’t exactly setting Khan and his people free, since they’re on a planet with no civilization and no handy warp-capable ships lying around. It’s the perfect prison, as long as nobody comes for a visit.

I think it’s important to remember the name of Khan’s ship: Botany Bay. That’s a reference to the first British settlement in Australia, which was a penal colony. (Or rather, to the place they planned as their first settlement, whose name was identified with the process even though the actual settlement was somewhere else nearby.) The British dealt with prison overcrowding by exiling their criminals to Australia, where they would serve their sentence by doing labor to help build the British colony there. All Kirk did was to follow the lead of the ship’s name. Ceti Alpha V was to be Khan’s Australia, a remote place where they would be safely in exile but would have the chance to rehabilitate themselves by creating something new.

Granted, it would’ve made a lot more sense if their exile had been supervised, if Starfleet had set up an outpost to monitor the Augments, oversee their rehabilitation, warn other spacefarers away, and provide humanitarian aid as needed in the event of disease or starvation or the neighboring planet blowing up. But that’s more a failing of TWOK than of “Space Seed.”

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@90/Christopher – You make a good point, but Khan seems to interpret his sentence as freedom, at least of a sort: “And I’ve gotten what I wanted: a world to win, an empire to build.” I guess this just underscores the Milton connection (and maybe this is the line Khan had in mind, but Kirk quoted the other): “The mind is its own place, and in itself / Can make a heav’n of hell, a hell of heav’n.” (Although maybe not, because CA5 wasn’t hellish yet – just “a bit savage, somewhat inhospitable.”)

I am probably also influenced by Chekov’s interpretation: “On Ceti Alpha V, there was life, a fair chance…”

At any rate, I just don’t get the feeling anyone took the decision as a prison sentence.

Spock has earlier in the episode worked to dissociate Khan and his people from those connotations (“…you’ve arrived at a totally illogical conclusion”). They are not prisoners; and maybe that’s one additional reason Kirk doesn’t turn them over to Federation authorities. (Although, depending on how the Eugenics Wars went down, they could probably be hauled up on all sorts of war crime charges.) “Those men went on to tame a continent, Mr. Khan- can you tame a world?” The point of contact in the analogy isn’t prisoners, but an inhospitable environment being tamed.

I would love to hear your dissection of TWOK at some length, in some other forum if that would be more germane. I’m sure it would have me frothing at my fannish mouth, because I love that movie… but, sigh, yes, it’s hard to argue with the whole “whoops, wrong planet” flaw.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@91/MikePoteet: Well, it comes down to whether you think that prison should be just about punishing people and locking them away — which is counterproductive, because it just makes them more dangerous when they get out — or that it should be about rehabilitating people into productive members of society. The Federation has always seemed to take the latter view. Ceti Alpha V is a place of exile, a place where they can do no harm to others, but it’s also a chance for them to gain redemption by achieving something constructive and beneficial. If they had been taken back to the Federation, tried, and convicted, their actual sentence might’ve been something very similar, geared toward giving them a chance to achieve something constructive. If anything, Kirk’s sentence was harsher, because if you dump seventy-odd people on a “savage” planet and leave them to fend for themselves, that could easily be a death sentence for all of them, even with Augment abilities. Heck, that’s not enough people for a stable gene pool; without further immigration, such a colony would be doomed in the long term. The early British colonies in America only survived with help from the indigenous communities — although, granted, that’s because the early British settlers were selected more for political or ideological reasons and were pretty incompetent at agriculture. But the Botany Bay‘s passengers were dictators and warlords and strongmen — how many of them do you suppose had any experience with farming or building houses? If anything, Kirk’s sentence was far crueler than a Federation prison sentence would’ve been. He gave them the “freedom” to fend for themselves, but in conditions that gave them a very good chance of dying.

Which is yet another reason that TWOK’s version of the followup is so monumentally idiotic. Kirk’s decision in “Space Seed” only makes sense if he intended there to be some Federation support and supervision, if he wasn’t just leaving them to fend for themselves. And if he did just leave them to fend for themselves, then Khan and the rest would’ve known perfectly well that they all might die on Ceti Alpha V. That would’ve been the risk they accepted going in. So Khan getting all wrathful about it 15 years later would’ve been kind of hypocritical. The movie implies that Khan expected Kirk or the Federation to follow up on them, which makes it all the more inexplicable that nobody did follow up.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@92/Christopher – Hm. How dare you make me rethink everything I’ve ever thought about Star Trek II. You scoundrel!

I do think Kirk’s intent was to let them fend for themselves, although your interpretation is just as valid (and probably more in line with how Starfleet is supposed to operate). The only thing I could offer in defense of TWOK’s treatment of Khan’s wrath is Terrell’s line (admitted, spoken while still under the influence of a Ceti eel), “He’s completely mad, Admiral.” CA6 blows up, Marla dies, and the “superior intellect” turns out to be more fragile than expected. (And, like someone else mentioned up above, Greg Cox shows Khan having some faith that surely, surely, Kirk will turn up.) Which is pretty damning of Kirk (especially given that he tells Terrell, “I know what he blames me for.” Maybe TWOK isn’t so much idiotic in its follow up as exploring a theme of consequences of failing to own our past decisions, hm? Maybe? No, I don’t think I’ll really convince you, just throwing it out there…)

Greg is good at dealing with Kirk’s failures to follow up – he did so in Foul Deeds Will Rise, too.

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@93/Mike: I wouldn’t blame Kirk, though, since the extent of his responsibility would’ve been to report to Starfleet and let Command make arrangements for other ships to do followups, or to establish an outpost. After all, his job was to command an exploration/patrol mission, not to oversee an impromptu penal colony. If there was a breakdown somewhere, it probably involved Kirk’s report getting lost in the gears somewhere. Or deliberately suppressed, if you’re partial to conspiracy-based explanations.

Maybe someone at Starfleet Command or the Federation government was spooked by the discovery that seventy superhuman conquerors from Earth’s darkest era were alive and active in the present, and so they suppressed the report rather than let it get out to the public. After all, as we’ve since learned, the Klingons made an attempt to create supersoldiers using Augment DNA. If other enemies of the Federation knew that Khan’s people were alive on Ceti Alpha V, someone might go there to harvest their DNA and try again. So maybe someone decided it was in the interests of Federation security to lose Kirk’s report and conceal information about the Ceti Alpha system. Which could be why there were no red flags when the Genesis planners picked it as a candidate for testing. Whoever was behind the initial coverup might’ve retired by then, so there was nobody left in a position to realize there was a problem.

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Eduardo Jencarelli
9 years ago

@93: The follow-up comment earns some merit. That’s known as the one-night-stand vs. marriage comparison.

In more ways than one, the creation of DS9 was a response to that complaint. Throughout Star Trek, the Enterprise and its crew got involved in a crisis of the week involving some planet or alien race, and then moved on to the next star system, completely putting their troubles behind them without a second thought. By placing the action on a stationary space station, DS9 challenged that notion by forcing the crew to live alongside the Bajorans, the Cardassians and the Dominion, thus having to continuously deal with the problems that always surfaced.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@95/Eduardo – Good point, in line with Christopher’s @94 that maybe the lack of follow-through wasn’t Kirk’s responsibility to shoulder. 

And, correcting something I said above (@89), Kirk does say he is dropping all charges “under the authority vested in [him] by Starfleet Command,” so he’s not breaking any rules after all, I guess.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@96/Mike: That’s right. People often forget that TOS was based on a historical model wherein ship captains on the frontier had enormous authority and leeway because they were often the only representatives of the state who were on hand. In TNG, Picard could just call up Starfleet Command and ask for instructions, but that wasn’t supposed to be something Kirk was capable of on a constant basis. In many situations, the ultimate authority for any decision would fall on him because there was nobody else available.

This also applies to the perennial debate about Kirk’s alleged violations of the Prime Directive. As a starship captain, determining whether and how to apply the Prime Directive in a given situation is part of his responsibility. He’s not overstepping his authority by deciding that it doesn’t apply or needs to be applied unconventionally; he’s the one empowered to make those kinds of decisions in the field (though of course they can be questioned afterward).

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9 years ago

@97: Wasn’t there an episode where Starfleet Command finally gets back to him after the episode is over and he did what he needed to do, and they basically tell him to proceed as he sees fit anyway?

Anyway, I concede the point about 60’s television completely dropping the ball on the Sikh thing, but I still want to make a comment regarding the painting. I think Khan says he’s honored because A)She’s painting him at all, and B)He just observed that all of her paintings were of famous and powerful leaders. He’s honored that she considers him one of them. The fact that he’s wearing a turban in the painting seems a little immaterial to his general feeling of flattery, correct or not.

On the idea of Section 31 covering up the records of Ceti Alpha VI’s destruction: they wouldn’t necessarily need to change all of Starfleet records, just those on the Reliant and make sure that no one on the Reliant or the Genesis project knew about it. The Genesis project group is not really made up of astronometric scientists, so it’s unlikely they would know or care about some stellar event of a non-colonized planet that happened 15 years ago. Likewise, if the navigation charts of the Reliant are altered, and the navigators and commanders aren’t familiar with the system, no problem. The Reliant might not have stellar cartographers on it anyway, being on a specialized mission to go where the Genesis project told them to go. And it’s unclear whether Reliant’s prior missions would’ve been ones of exploration like the Enterprise anyway, or just routine stuff. 

MikePoteet
9 years ago

@98/crzydroid – I think you’re thinking of “Balance of Terror,” where Starfleet Command (or whatever it was called at the time – Christopher will know!) tells Kirk, “We’ll support whatever you do,” after all the fighting and dying is over.

There is also “Amok Time,” where Admiral Komack, after telling Kirk “no” about taking Spock to Vulcan several times, finally relents because T’Pau stepped in and pressured Komack into agreeing. But I’m pretty sure you meant “Balance of Terror.”

Re: CA5 or CA6, the problem is that anyone in the Federation with a telescope and a smidge of curiosity could have investigated what happened in those intervening 15 years. So far, the only satisfactory way I’ve found to think about the whole mess is to assume that, in Trek‘s reality, Douglas Adams’ axiom about the Universe being mind-bogglingly big has been taken so to heart that no one, not even Starfleet, tries to keep much track of it all. ;)

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9 years ago

@99: That’s exactly what I’m saying though. The Federation obviously DOES know what happened 15 years ago. But not every single person knows, remembers, or cares. So as long as the people on the Reliant THINK they’re going to 6, it’s ok. There’s not necessarily anyone around to burst the bubble and say there is no 6.

If you’re talking about why no one checked up on Khan when it actually happened, well that’s a different issue, and there was possibly a cover up involved. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@100/crzydroid: But starships have data banks. And whoever assigned the Reliant to its candidate worlds would’ve undoubtedly looked at the computer records about those worlds in order to find out about them in the first place. It is impossible that they could’ve assigned the Reliant to survey the Ceti Alpha system without knowing what the Federation already knew about that system. And surely the Reliant‘s science officer would’ve checked the records about the system as well. That’s just due diligence.

So either someone deliberately altered the records and sent the Reliant in blind, or it’s just a really stupid plot point that makes no damn sense.

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Random22
9 years ago

@99 Or Douglas Adams’ other postulate. The information you seek is in a filing cabinet in a locked room at the bottom of an unlit stairwell in which there may be a leopard, which you can visit anytime you please as long as you know or remember to do it. Screw up works just fine. The sheer volume of data the Federation handles means that some must inevitably slip through the cracks or be improperly recorded, or accidentally deleted, or, hidden behind a space wedgey, or in a file format that hasn’t been upgraded yet, or is compartmentalized as not on the need to know for that mission, or when the science officer ran the query they did it in such a way that the computer didn’t include it in the retrieval (the computer might know, but this isn’t TNG psychic computers, they still run on GIGO, so if the question wasn’t phrased right then the information might not be retrieved). Lets face, the Federation screws up a lot, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

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9 years ago

@100: But that’s also exactly what I said in my earlier post.  I was saying that Section 31 only had to alter the Reliant’s databanks, not those of  the whole Federation. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@103/crzydroid: But my point is that the Reliant isn’t the only entity involved. They weren’t just wandering around on their own. They were following a plan assigned to them by Project Genesis. So Project Genesis’s scientists would’ve been the ones who prepared the list of candidate planets. So their databases would’ve had to be altered too.

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Crusader75
9 years ago

@98 – There is one flaw in your theory.  If the idea is that no one on the Genesis survey ship is supposed to know about Khan’s colony in the Ceti Alpha system, why would that assignment be given to a ship that has an old Enterprise hand working as Science Officer?  Though Chekhov’s dialogue kind of suggests he knew the colony was in the system, just on a different planet, and apparently did not think it important enough to mention to anybody (as life on other worlds in the system did not seem to make any difference to the selection criteria).  On the other hand, he might not have remembered fully until his brown pants moment.

MikePoteet
9 years ago

FWIW (I know it’s not canonical), Vonda McIntyre’s TWOK novel talks about Chekov having been increasingly anxious as the Reliant approached the Ceti Alpha system, and not knowing why. So I’ve always tended toward what @98/Crusader is suggesting – it didn’t “click” until he saw the Botany Bay airplane-style safety lap belt. (That prop never makes sense to me.)

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9 years ago

@63 – crzydroid: I nitpick things BECAUSE I’m engaged by them.

: Slowly, but surely, I’m back.

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9 years ago

@107: Fair enough.

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Aloysius
9 years ago

I just rewatched this, and am puzzled by one thing: why, about half an hour in, when Kirk goes to Khan’s quarters (now guarded by security, because our guys have found out who Khan was historically) is Khan wearing a Starfleet uniform red shirt?

It seems to me that in every other episode when they had non-crew characters that needed clothes they found them a jumpsuit or something. Not a uniform top with a Starfleet insignia.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@109/Aloysius: Are there episodes where they give jumpsuits to guests? I can’t think of any right now.

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kkozoriz
9 years ago

The only person who refers to Khan as Khan Noonian Singh is old Spock.  Everyone else simply calls him Khan.  My continuity spackle is that old Spcok jumped to conclusions and when he heard the name Khan simply assumed it was the same person.  Instead, what I imagine happening, was that Marcus opened someone elses freezer unit and brought out a superman who was actually British.  Being part of Khan’s crew, they all insisted that anyone below them in status call them Khan, whis is a title meaning leader or sovereign.  So the guy we saw in STID was Khan John Harrison or simply Khan to anyone below him in status.

Khan Noonian Singh, being the leader among leaders, was always referred to as Khan, even by his followers.

Easy peasy.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@112/kkozoriz: Khan is regionally a title. It’s more commonly a surname. I really don’t find it plausible that a multicultural band of Augments would use a Central Asian title for all its leaders. Not to mention that, if there were multiple Khans, then their leader would be called the Khagan, the Khan of Khans.

Besides, is it really so hard to accept that someone who’s operating under a false name would also get cosmetic surgery and change his accent? Heck, an English accent makes far more sense for someone raised in the Indian subcontinent than a Mexican accent does.

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David Bent
8 years ago

Late to the party, but Kyle is on the Enterprise and in this episode too. He is also on the Reliant in TWOK and on the bridge as well. With the alleged presence of Chekov in   Space Seed albeit not seen, that’s two people who had been to the Ceti Alpha system but couldn’t recall where they were or whether they’d been there before In TWOK. 

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Jennifer L. Schillig
8 years ago

@113–I haven’t read it, but I believe that an Into Darkness tie-in comic has Section 31 giving Khan plastic surgery. It does make sense–if you’re supposed to have someone operating in deep cover, you don’t want to have him attracting any attention, and the clearest way to attract attention is to “resemble” a historical figure! (Besides, Section 31 knew damn well that now someone’s walking around in this timeline who’s MET the old Khan.)

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Ariana
8 years ago

This may sound stupid, but *was* Khan a Sikh? 

Marla mentions he “probably” was, and when he sees the painting he says he’s “honoured”…..but nothing else that I remember indicates in any way that Marla was right.

There is nothing he says or does or manners of dress, or hair that indicate it.  The presumption that he is Sikh seems entirely based on her initial speculation and the fact that his surname is Khan – which could be just as meaningless as his other two names.

As for a Mexican actor playing an Indian – Montalban also played a Japanese character with fake eyelids on Hawaii Five O.  It was not really thought of as a “thing” back then.

 

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@116/Ariana: You mean that his surname is Singh, which is the surname used by almost all Sikh men. It’s the one part of the researcher’s notes about Sikh names that they actually used, since “Khan” is in no way a Sikh-specific name; it’s generally a Muslim surname rather than a given name as it was used here.

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8 years ago

Here’s the comment I wanted to post…

Over the last few months, I’ve come across one book and several Internet comments where people viewed Khan as a fictionalised Hitler. That seemed wrong to me, and it took me some time to figure out why: Khan isn’t Hitler. Khan is Napoleon.

He’s called that repeatedly in the episode, by Kirk (“They created a group of Alexanders, Napoleons”), by Spock (“Would you reveal to war-weary populations that some eighty Napoleons might still be alive?”), and by McGivers (“I know exactly who you are. […] Leif Ericson, Richard the Lion Heart, Napoleon.”)

When I grew up in the ’70s, my brother and I had a little collection of children’s history books that told the life stories of important historical figures, among them Alexander, Richard the Lion Heart, and Napoleon. The books had lots of colour illustrations and were all about how great and admirable those men were. I also know a woman, born in 1940, who had wanted to marry Alexander the Great when she was a little girl. I think that’s the cultural context of the episode, and it says: “Listen, people – despite everything you’ve been told as kids, conquerors are not cool.”

That’s why the story needs McGivers.When I watched Space Seed as a kid, I was baffled by the fact that she considered men from the past bolder and more adventuresome. Hadn’t she noticed that her crewmates were having bold adventures all the time? But out-of-universe, it makes sense – she’s the little girl who dreams of marrying Napoleon, or Alexander.

That’s also why there’s a scene in the briefing room where Kirk, Scotty and even McCoy talk about their admiration for Khan, and Spock criticises their “romanticism”. It’s an odd scene because it makes you wonder why they didn’t recognise him earlier. But again, it makes sense out-of-universe. They’re the kids who grew up reading children’s books about the great and admirable conquerors of the past, among them Khan Noonien Singh.

If Khan is equated with Hitler, it’s no longer “Conquerors are not cool”, it’s “Genocidal mass murderers are not cool”. As a statement, that isn’t nearly as interesting.

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8 years ago

I like your reasoning, but while I never equated Khan with Hitler, I can’t equate him with Alexander or Napoleon either, because they make it very clear that he was a tyrant… people don’t tend to think of Alexander or Napoleon as tyrants.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@119/MaGnUs: Ask anyone in the Middle East what they think of Napoleon, and it will be anything but flattering. He pretty much started two centuries of nonstop Western imperialism that created the mess the Mideast has become today. And even in France, people have been debating for centuries whether Napoleon should be considered a tyrant or a hero.

And as I said in the “Savage Curtain” thread, the only reason Westerners consider Alexander nobler than Genghis Khan is because of racial bias. Alexander was just as ruthless and brutal to his enemies as Genghis was. Like many historical conquerors, he was impossible to easily label as “good” or “evil,” because how he treated people depended on whether they accepted his rule or not. As with Napoleon, you can find a lot of debate among scholars over whether Alexander should be classed as “great” or tyrannical.

Khan Noonien Singh strikes me as having been pretty much the same — relatively benevolent to his subjects, but ruthless to anyone who refused to submit to his will. The crew explicitly had this exact debate in “Space Seed” itself, with Spock pointing out Khan’s darker side while Kirk and the others took a more forgiving view.

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8 years ago

@119/MaGnUs: “I like your reasoning” – Thank you!

“People don’t tend to think of Alexander or Napoleon as tyrants”: Well, there’s what Christopher says, and there’s also the question what people mean when they call someone a tyrant. Someone who imposes his will upon others? Someone who rules by might rather than right? An absolute ruler who came to power via illegitimate means? If you choose the last definition, Napoleon fits the bill.

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8 years ago

I agree with the ideas, but when people are asked to name tyrants, how many bring up Napoleon and Alexander before Hitler, Stalin, or modern dictators?

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@122/MaGnUs: The popularity of an idea has exactly nothing to do with its legitimacy. If four billion people believed the Moon was made of green cheese, that would have no impact whatsoever on its actual composition.

You’re also making the false assumption that your personal perception of those figures is a majority view. As I said, the reality is that there’s extensive debate among historians over whether Napoleon and Alexander should be seen as heroic or tyrannical figures. It is naive to think there is anything like a universal consensus on that.

And really, that’s the whole point — the only reason Western history has traditionally taught Alexander as a hero and Genghis as a tyrant is because the people writing those history books have been biased that way, favoring one side of the question in either case instead of acknowledging both. Good historians do not “pick a winner.” They do not pretend that their personal preference is objective fact, or that popularity somehow dictates truth. Good historians present all sides of the argument.

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JohnC
8 years ago

A few random comments: I realize that color TV resolution in the sixties wouldn’t have shown the difference, but I found the obvious hair extension color differences in McGiver’s hair to be quite jarring, considering that her hair is emphasized in the script.

Second……. really? The Enterprise provides detailed technical engineering manuals as lite reading for all patients in sickbay? Including non-crew members and suspicious humanoids who just woke up from cryo-sleep after centuries?

Have to disagree with the assessment of Kirk getting his ass kicked during the fight. I thought he was holding his own quite well, even before he grabbed that whateverthemajiggy and beat Khan over the back with it. 

And yes, I admit that while Khan was playing with McGiver’s hair, I was waiting for him to describe it as the color of rich Corinthian leather.

 

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Roxana
7 years ago

I’m a history enthusiast myself but I have MUCH better taste in heroes than McGiver. Anybody else notice that Khan only starts to see her as a worthy mate AFTER she betrays him? Up to then he’s been using her. After that he’s in love. Says some interesting things about superman gender politics!

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Alan
7 years ago

I realize that I am a few years late to this conversation (I read almost every comment), but I will add this comment on the McGiver debate for the sake of posterity:

It occurred to me upon watching this again today that Khan didn’t really even need McGivers to take over the Enterprise. What did she actually do?  

Yes, she was in the transporter room with a phaser on the operator (Kyle?), but Khan also had a phaser (or could have) courtesy of the security guard he two handed impressively (kudos to the stunt guy) through the air.   Since the transporter room was apparently not specifically guarded he could have taken the transporter operator by surprise as easily as McGivers did.   And through his thorough reading of the Enterprise tech manuals  he would have been able to figure out how to beam himself to the Botany Bay (I believe this was possible from other episodes even though for dramatic license the capability could go either way).   

After that it was basically game over.  So asking McGivers to betray the Enterprise seems unnecessary other than for dramatic effect.

Of course, none of this detracts from my enjoyment of the episode or my ability to quote it almost verbatim.  I enjoy all the theorizing and nit-picking from a geekery point of view, but very rarely would any television show or movie stand up to the kind of scrutiny in these reviews.

Now, if you will excuse me I grow fatigued again and will end this comment.

 

 

 

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7 years ago

If he beamed himself to the BB, who would beam him and his cronies back to the Enterprise?

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mspence
6 years ago

One thing that bothered me about Star Trek II was why Kirk (or Federation scientists) weren’t able to double check Alpha Ceti’s stability before sending Kahn and his people down there? For that matter, why didn’t Reliant immediately know where they were once they were within sensor range of the infamous system?

Montalban (name sounds familiar, but…) delivers what is perhaps his greatest performance as a 20th century man who, despite being from an era that the Trek people consider “inferior” to their own, manages to adapt and even manipulate his 23rd Century “betters.” McGivers is simply annoying most of the time, it might have worked better if Uhura was his intended romantic target & she turned him down.

Also, how often do you hear Milton or other classical literature quoted on TV?

ChristopherLBennett
6 years ago

@128/mpence: Remember, Ceti Alpha V wasn’t rendered uninhabitable until Ceti Alpha VI exploded 6 months after they settled there, so presumably there was no way of knowing what would happen to the planet. Although such an explosion should have been bright enough to be detected — it would’ve briefly outshone the system’s star — so the Reliant crew shouldn’t have been unaware of it.

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MSpears
6 years ago

@75/ChristopherLBennett  There’s plenty of conspiracy theories that also postulate the government covering up events that happen in outer space.  Exactly how many times has Nibiru missed us?  I count at least five.  (And it will continue to miss us because it doesn’t exist.)  But according to some, NASA and the government – and by extension EVERY space agency and EVERY government and EVERY amateur astronomer – are conspiring to keep it a secret to avoid a mass panic.  The more people involved in a secret, the higher the odds of a leak.  By my estimation, the odds of that many people keeping such an important event secret, is infinitesimally small.

It irks me that there are people who actually think that the blood moon later this month will be the start of the End Times.  Completely ignoring the blood moon on July 27, 2018.  And in August 2017.  And May 2016.  And September 2015.  And… you get the point.  You’d think we’d have overcome such silly superstitions by now. 

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5 years ago

@74,75 and regarding Section 31 series–it hits upon a pet peeve of mine.  Not every covert action or secret-keeping has to originate with Section 31.  I swear, ever since S31 was introduced it’s like everyone, including episode writers, decided there was no such thing as Starfleet Intelligence anymore.  

With perfect legitimacy and no need for a black ops group like S31 to intervene, Starfleet would have worked on ways to keep traffic away from the Ceti Alpha system without putting an inviting “do not enter this mysterious place!” banner that would be counterproductive.

They would maintain records of its existence but try to make sure that the system did not seem notable.  No stellar anomalies, no known life-bearing planets, no critical resources.  The problem is that Reliant was LOOKING for boring planetary rocks in the habitable zone with no life, and having trouble finding them.  So when Ceti Alpha came up as a candidate, it looked promising, but they weren’t cleared to know what was there.

Chekov might very well have forgotten the details until the name “Botany Bay” came up.

 

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5 years ago

@131/tjareth: “I swear, ever since S31 was introduced it’s like everyone, including episode writers, decided there was no such thing as Starfleet Intelligence anymore.”

And no such thing as a civilian intelligence agency either.

Thierafhal
4 years ago

@11/T’Bonz: Khan’s crew isn’t brought onboard the Enterprise at first, only Khan. After he escaped, he was the one who transported the rest of them over.

Thierafhal
4 years ago

I love the irony that a superhuman like Khan was done in by one of the most primitive of weapons, a club.

garreth
4 years ago

I’m still working my way through TOS episodes, plenty I have never seen, but of the ones I have seen this is one of my favorites and I just rewatched it again.  It is fantastic!  A great premise about supermen (and superwomen) from centuries past intent on taking over in their new setting, an awesome villain in Khan played with gravitas and charisma by Montalban, and excellent dialogue and character moments like Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy sitting around admiring Khan and teasing Spock over his shock at their awe of the tyrant.  Like others have pointed out, the big repulsive flaw here is the McGivers character and how she was such a stereotype of women in the era this episode was produced in.  Khan and his folk really are such an excellent villain that I’m glad Harve Bennett recognized that when looking for an antagonist for Star Trek II.  And I’m totally on board for more exploration of these people such as in another rumored spin-off featuring them.

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Gooch
4 years ago

”Space Seed” had a fascinating premise – but the script and execution were awful and this remains one of the worst first season episodes. First of all, if Khan was an Indian Sikh, his name “Khan Noonien Singh” makes no sense. Khan is usually a surname for Muslims and God knows what “Noonien” is! “Singh” is however a common Sikh surname (“Wrath of Singh”?). If Khan ruled an empire in South Asia-Middle East in the 1990s, why does he have cohorts named Ling, Rodriguez and McPherson? Also, why would the Enterprise even need a “historian” on board? Wouldn’t they have all historical records available on computers? Worst of all, after Khan, McGivers and his people hijack the ship and try to kill all the crewmen, their “punishment” is exile on some planet! Man, they must’ve had really good lawyers!

ChristopherLBennett
4 years ago

@137/Gooch: “If Khan ruled an empire in South Asia-Middle East in the 1990s, why does he have cohorts named Ling, Rodriguez and McPherson?”

Khan ruled Southeast Asia, but other eugenic superhumans ruled other parts of the world. It was the Eugenics Wars, plural. Dozens of them rose to power and conquered much or most of the world, and they were finally all overthrown and exiled.

 

“Also, why would the Enterprise even need a “historian” on board? Wouldn’t they have all historical records available on computers?”

Speaking as someone with a history degree, ouch. The job of a historian is far, far more than just looking up information. It’s understanding the processes of history, recognizing its patterns and trends and how they repeat themselves, and using that understanding to advise on events in the present. (For instance, if Americans back in 2016 had listened to the dozens of historians warning “Hey, Trump is following Hitler’s playbook to the letter,” we might have avoided a lot of unnecessary death and the near-overthrow of our government.)

When it comes to exploring alien worlds, a knowledge of the history of Earth or Federation worlds could provide valuable analogies for recognizing cultural and sociopolitical dynamics on alien worlds, understanding the nature and development of their society through its parallels to known history. That becomes even more literal in a universe of gangster planets and Roman planets and cowboy planets and whatnot. (As a science fiction writer, I’ve benefited more from my history degree than from my earlier physics degree, because studying cross-cultural history was a great education in how to write alien societies and their interactions and conflicts.)

Plus, of course, in the words of Jonathan Archer, starships on the frontier are “making history with every light year.” Somebody has to write it all down.

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4 years ago

Could Noonien Singh have been using Khan as a title?

ChristopherLBennett
4 years ago

@139/roxana: “Could Noonien Singh have been using Khan as a title?”

No. He twice says explicitly that Khan is his name (three times if you include Into Darkness). Kirk and Spock continue to refer to him as “Mister Khan” even after they learn his true identity, which they would not do if they knew it was a title. (Although it should probably be “Mister Singh.”) And after he takes over the ship, when he calls his men on the intercom, he says “This is Khan” rather than “This is the Khan” or “This is your Khan.” It’s consistently used as a name, not a title.

Besides, he was initially trying to hide his identity, thus not giving his full name, and yet he gave them the name Khan. If it had been his title as a ruler, that would’ve been a pretty stupid move.

Also, if he were a khan by title, the proper form of address for him would probably be “Your Highness” or “Your Majesty,” something worthy of royalty, but in TWOK, Joachim only calls him “sir.”

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Gooch
4 years ago

No offense intended, ChristopherLBennett. I love history, especially reading about ancient civilizations. Ah, I didn’t realize the “Eugenics Wars” of the 1990s were somewhat coordinated among the augment superhumans. Presumably, they took over states in Asia, Europe, N. America. Still, “Space Seed” was poorly thought out. I did however like the fact that Kirk, McCoy, Scott had a sneaking admiration for the charismatic Khan (which appalled Spock).

UncreditedLT
2 years ago

I think I can offer some defense of McGivers: there’s a subtext indicating that she has a strong interest in aggressive, warrior men of history. That has a lot to do with the instinctive draw Khan has to her, but I admit the way it plays out is just kind of goofy. I wish they’d allowed it to build instead of McGivers just going doe-eyed the minute she lays eyes on Khan, and she behaves irrationally all the way through. Obviously, that’s been pretty well discussed, so I won’t go into it any more.

The other “coulda been better” is that I would have liked to see Khan defeated more by his own arrogance. As it is, it’s more the double-cross from McGivers, and somehow Khan being beaten with a light whack from an 18″ rod Kirk manages to pull out of the machinery. The one enduring characteristic of Khan is his sense of superiority. He is superior physically, and perhaps in his cunning to some degree, but at some point that’s going to be a weakness in facing an equally intelligent opponent.

It’s a great episode though, and lays the groundwork for the best Trek movie ever made: Wrath of Khan. While I agree it would have been interesting to see a more “successful” outcome to the colony, the twist of having it decimated sets up a perfect blood feud between Kirk an Khan. And in both cases, what really sets it is the immortal performance of Richardo Montalban. He fleshes out Khan to more than what was on the script; sadly, he doesn’t have as much room as I’d like, but he takes what could have been a cliche script and makes something great of it. Instead of being just cunning but one-dimensional, he presents a harsh but logical character – one you can almost sympathize with. The outcome is a great finish to the story, sort of a win for all. Rather than locking Khan and his followers in some rehabilitative facility, why not give them a challenge to test their superiority. Allowing McGivers the choice of joining also makes sense, although Kirk would have had a lot of mail to answer from Starfleet on that one, I suppose.

Ultimately, I’d put it at Warp factor 8. One thing I wish I could offer on these is my feelings on initial watch. Some episodes would be play differently if I were to have first seen them in the world circa 1970. I try to be generous with some of the technological blunders, and especially how antiquated the sets looked. I know they were forward-thinking for the time, especially compared to other sci-fi. But I was born with the 80’s, and TNG was the series I could watch with that sense of awe, like this IS the future. I won’t “handicap” episodes based on that, but I try to let some things slide more than later series. And there is certainly a lot of praise due. TNG was forward-looking, but I have to hand it to TOS for being something that truly transcended its time. 

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2 years ago

Dr. McCoy’s badass moment is awesome. Uhura’s badass moment is awesome. Ricardo Montalban’s Khan is awesome, as is his verbal interplay with Shatner’s Kirk.  But this episode is stupid.  Not only because of McGivers but because the momentum of the plot depends on the main characters being stupid.  When Cap’n Jimbo handed over the technical data and schematics on the Enterprise for Khan to read I was screaming at my TV “NOOOOOOOOOO!” What kind of Captain hands over all of the information about the workings of his ship to a total stranger? Why would you do that?! You have no idea at this point who this guy is or what his goal is. This is a dude who put a knife to his doctor’s throat within seconds of waking up (did McCoy neglect to tell Kirk this?). Is this really someone you want to entrust intimate working knowledge of your ship to?  Is Starfleet technical security policy really that lax or are you just a total naive idiot? 

A better way to have made Kirk not look like a total dupe would have been for him to offer only generic 23rd Century science and engineering books to Khan so he could catch up without giving him the ones specific to the Enterprise, and Khan could have used his “superior intelligence” to extrapolate how to use that general knowledge in quickly applying them to the Enterprise.  Or Khan could have manipulated McGivers with his charisma into getting the technical manuals and schematics for him.  Or both.  It would have made the villain look like more of an intelligent, worthy adversary of the week, which is better than making the hero look like a moronic dolt.  The only reason Khan was able to take control of the Enterprise is because Kirk gave him the tools to do it.

And you know what? I think Kirk dropped Khan and McGivers off at Ceti Alpha V because he didn’t WANT to take them back to Starbase 12 for re-education and court martial.  He knew if he did he would have to fully report the incident and his ass would be grass because Starfleet would grill him about his colossal foul-up: “So let me get this straight Captain. You found a sleeper ship drifting in space and turned the power on before confirming who the occupants were, unfroze their leader and gave him free rein of and technical manuals on your ship, DIDN’T throw said leader in the brig the moment you found out who he was, and DIDN’T put a borderline flaky officer with clear signs of attraction under lockdown the moment she displayed an irrational level of interest in him?  You’re busted back down to Lieutenant. Oh and the Security department on your ship is incompetant too, we are replacing them.”  Leaving Khan and his followers on Ceti Alpha V, Kirk didn’t report this whole incident to Starfleet and swept it under the rug.  He probably told his crew “let’s not mention this to anyone” and reported McGivers as KIA in an engineering accident or alien attack or something.  It would make Checkov and Kyle not telling Captain Terrell or Dr. Marcus to not even consider the Ceti Alpha system for the Genesis project later on in Star Trek II kind of plausible because both were probably thinking “We don’t want to get Admiral Kirk in trouble, we’ll just keep quiet about Khan on Ceti Alpha V and hopefully get out of this star system as soon as possible.”  I’m guessing Checkov secretly relished the idea of there being life on “Ceti Alpha VI” because it meant that the Genesis Project wouldn’t be used in the Ceti Alpha system, and the Federation wouldn’t move in to colonize a newly created planet then discover a bunch of genetically engineered supermen next door.  Too bad about what happened next….

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2 years ago

In which we see yet again that breeding a Master Race is a really, really bad idea. Because among other reasons stronger muscles, a high IQ and a really hot face and body don’t actually make a person ‘better’ in any sense that really matters. It’s also a poor concept. Individual excellence, however admirable in itself, didn’t bring humans to the top of the food chain, joining together in bands and communities to pool abilities and resources and watch each other’s back was the successful survival strategy. More of that, please!

In McGiver’s defense, as a heterosexual woman I can totally understand going weak kneed over Ricardo Montalbon. What I can’t understand is his domineering behavior not being a turnoff. Marla seems to have S&M tendencies. Khan clearly finds her attractive, but rather despises her – until she betrays him. That’s a total turn on for him. Suddenly she’s not just a tool but a woman worthy of his attentions that he is flattered to win.

Marla’s horrible death isn’t Khan’s start of darkness, he was always dark, but it still haunts him two decades later. She clearly had come to mean a lot to him.

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2 years ago

@145:Yeah you’re definitely right, making enhanced supermen is a really bad idea.  The only time I can think of that it has worked in a story is with Captain America, but that’s because he had an underdog mindset and sense of morals BEFORE he was made into a super soldier, he wasn’t bred for it like Khan was.

And it’s interesting that you say that McGivers betraying Khan was a turn on for him, I had always wondered why he said that she pleases him at the end but you put it in perspective for me. Thanks!

 

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2 years ago

@146, Exactly! Steve Rogers was a good man before he became a superman and his motivation for accepting the super soldier serum was his desire to serve his country not personal agrandizement. 

All augments wouldn’t have been alike. Were there some who embraced the Tao of Peter Parker, with great power comes great responsibility? If so what part did they play in the Eugenics wars?

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

The problem isn’t enhancing humans, the problem is enhancing only a few humans. Humans have been enhancing ourselves with technology for ages — we fix our vision and hearing when they fail us, we fix our teeth when they grow in wrong or fall out, we vaccinate ourselves against diseases that used to kill millions (or at least we do when we aren’t ruled by corrupt imbeciles). We allow everyone to achieve the same level of physical health and ability that used to be limited to those lucky few who had optimum vision, hearing, immunity, etc. So it made things more equal, not less.

If we do the same with genetic enhancement — if we look on it as a quality-of-life improvement that everyone has an equal right to — then it should be beneficial. The problem is not genetic engineering, the problem is the same problem that’s always plagued humanity, the desire of a privileged few to hog all the advantages to themselves.

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2 years ago

@CLB, The scientists who created the Augments seem to have had a vision of a perfected elite governing us all. How they couldn’t see the obvious flaw in that concept is nothing short of incredible. Applying their techniques in a widespread way to generally enhance quality of life doesn’t even appear to have been considered. 

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

@149/roxana: “The scientists who created the Augments seem to have had a vision of a perfected elite governing us all. How they couldn’t see the obvious flaw in that concept is nothing short of incredible.”

But that’s just it. Elitists don’t see it as a flaw for a minority to rule over the majority. They see it as the natural order of things. That’s true whether they want to rule through genetic enhancements, through military conquest, or simply through being rich and buying off politicians and Supreme Court justices to do their bidding. It’s like I said — the problem isn’t genetic enhancement, it’s the desire for power.

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The Bandsaw Vigilante
2 years ago

@140/Christopher L. Bennett: “Also, if he were a khan by title, the proper form of address for him would probably be ‘Your Highness’ or ‘Your Majesty,’ something worthy of royalty, but in TWOK, Joachim only calls him ‘sir.’ “

There’s also the moment in TWOK where Capt. Terrell refers to Khan as “Your Excellency,” which is probably the closest we get to Khan having a title of any kind in canon.

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Sitting Duck
2 years ago

There’s no need to go outside in-show continuity to resolve the Chekhov Conundrum. As noted above, this episode takes place on Stardate 3141.9. Meanwhile, Catspaw (in which Chekhov is prominently featured) takes place on 3018.2.

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2 years ago

@150, CLB, or just declaring themselves wiser and more enlightened than the rest of us neanderthals and absolutely entitled to rule us.

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2 years ago

For some reason I absolutely love commenting on episodes that the Gallifrey Gals have just watched, because it’s amazing to me to get the Millennial perspective on these episodes after my late Gen-X self watched it then the mid-Gen-X KRAD comments on it, but this was what I absolutely loved about this one:

Paula (Lifelong TNG fan): “Why did the Patreons want us to see this one?”

Katrina (a legitimate newbie before their rewatch began): “I’m really not sure.”

They don’t know who Khan is! I didn’t know that was possible for anyone, let alone a TNG lifelong fan (who also is mostly unfamiliar with things that have come since), but it’s a good illustrator of how pop culture changes and some things stay known, and some things fade away. Like seeing Ashleigh Burton or Cass from Popcorn in Bed get thrown by the big surprise reveal in T2 that was outright spoiled by the trailers and advertising back in the day. I saw Star Trek II either in the theaters when I was 5 or on that first televised broadcast, I think it was on ABC, so I would have immediately jumped at that name. Anyway the comments section is already flooded with requests to watch TWOK and the video has been out for… oh… less than three hours.

The other interesting thing that I saw in their rewatch was that they were firmly on the side of McGivers, because she was manipulated down the road she follows in this episode. I kind of have to disagree with them slightly on that one: Kirk was being merciful to her by offering her a chance to head off with Khan instead of being court-martialed, because, well, she ‘did the thing’ as the kids say, and she wasn’t forced or compelled or mind-controlled to do so. At that point if she comes back to Federation space, I think Kirk loses the chance to use his discretion.

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1 year ago

What can I say? I hate this episode. It’s in my top-ten disliked episodes. Yes, I know that it led to the superb Wrath of Khan (with the inexplicable blue-eyed blond crewmates) but Space Seed stunk.

I wouldn’t go quite as far as “stunk” but I will agree that ST:TWoK has caused “Space Seed” to become highly overrated.