Welcome back to the Lovecraft reread, in which two modern Mythos writers get girl cooties all over old Howard’s original stories. Today we’re reading “At the Mountains of Madness,” written in February-March 1931 and first published in the February, March, and April 1936 issues of Astounding. For this installment, we’ll cover Chapters 5-8 (roughly the equivalent of the April issue). You can read the story here, and Part I of our reread here. Spoilers ahead.
“It took only a few steps to bring us to a shapeless ruin worn level with the snow, while ten or fifteen rods farther on there was a huge roofless rampart still complete in its gigantic five-pointed outline and rising to an irregular height of ten or eleven feet. For this latter we headed; and when at last we were able actually to touch its weathered Cyclopean blocks, we felt that we had established an unprecedented and almost blasphemous link with forgotten aeons normally closed to our species.”
Summary: Dyer and Danforth finally top the mountains of madness and cry out in mixed awe, terror and disbelief. The mirage-city they saw en route to Lake’s camp had a material basis after all, and it now sprawls below them as far as they can see. From a layer of glacial ice rises a much-weathered but only semi-ruined metropolis which reason refuses to classify as a natural phenomenon. The incredibly varied buildings—cones, pyramids, cubes, cylinders, star-shaped edifices—can only be the ultimate expression of a civilization that reached its zenith when humans had yet to shamble out of apedom.
The pair make an aerial survey, determining the alien city extends thirty miles inland. Its span along the great barrier range seems endless. A building-free swath traverses the city, the bed of a broad river that debouches into whatever caverns honeycomb the mountains. Dyer doesn’t like the massive barrel-shaped sculptures that guard the river’s descent, and he finds this fabulous tableland too reminiscent of what he’s read of Leng, of Valusia, of Ib, of R’lyeh.
Danforth finds a snowfield in which to land the plane. He and Dyer venture into the aeons-deserted city, well-armed with compass, cameras, electric torches, notebooks, provisions and geologist’s tools. They examine the Cyclopean blocks and mortarless masonry, petrified wood shutters, any interiors into which they can crane. Through the gap left by a fallen bridge, they enter a largely intact structure. Interiors are decorated with carved murals in horizontal bands, edged by arabesque designs and inscribed with grouped dots. Now that they can study the murals close-up, they must accept that the primal race who carved them, who raised the city, were the same star-headed radiates Lake’s party found in fossilized form.
Fortunately for the explorers, the Old Ones (as Dyer names the radiates) were a historically-minded people who told their long, long tale in their murals. As the pair go from building to building, they piece together the outline of this tale. The Old Ones came to a still lifeless Earth from cosmic space, which they traversed on their membranous wings. At first they lived mostly beneath the sea, where they fashioned food and servants via well-known (to them) principles of biogenesis. Among these life forms were the amorphous shoggoths, which could take shape and do prodigious work in response to hypnotic suggestion. Eventually they built land cities and expanded outward from Antarctica. Other alien races arrived and warred with them. The Cthulhu spawn sank with their South Pacific lands, but the Mi-Go drove the Old Ones from their northern land outposts.
Other misfortunes overtook the Old Ones. They forgot the art of space travel, and the increasingly intelligent shoggoths rebelled against them and had to be put down. Terrible were the murals that showed the slime-coated, headless victims of the shoggoths. Later, when the Old Ones retreated from the growing glaciers, they bred new shoggoths capable of conversing in the Old One’s musical, piping language. But these shoggoths were kept in “admirable control” as they labored to construct a city in the sea at the roots of the mountains.
There’s something else the Old Ones feared. In some murals, they recoil from a carefully out-of-frame object washed down their river from certain mountains far inland, even taller than the mountains of madness. Mist hid this loftier range from Dyer and Danforth on their flight in.
Dyer supposes the Old Ones “commuted” between land and water cities until the cold grew too great. Then they fled permanently to the sea beneath the mountains, leaving the great metropolis to crumble. Of course, Lake’s specimens would have known nothing of this exodus. They lived in the land city’s “tropical” heyday thirty million years ago, while the “decadent” Old Ones deserted the land city 500,000 years ago. To be sure, Dyer had wondered about the eight undamaged specimens, and the grave, and the mayhem at Lake’s camp, and the missing provisions. Could Gedney really be the perpetrator of all this? And what about the incredible toughness and longevity of the Old Ones, portrayed in the murals? Then there were the excitable Danforth’s rather obnoxious mutterings about disturbances of snow and dust, and piping sounds he’s half-heard coming from deep in the earth.
Nah. Nah, it couldn’t be, and yet the specimens themselves and the alien metropolis could not have been, until they were. Even so….
What’s Cyclopean: The Old Ones’ city. A lot. Five times in this section alone, and 11 in the whole story, matching a record previously held by “Out of the Aeons.”
The Degenerate Dutch: Those slaves ought to have known their place, and been grateful to the masters who, after all, were responsible for their very existence… isn’t it just horrible that they didn’t agree?
Mythos Making: What doesn’t get called out? References to Leng and Kadath and Ib and the Nameless City, clashes between Old Ones and Mi-Go and Star-Spawn of Cthulhu, an origin story for R’lyeh. Then there are the shoggoths, who’ll continue to play boogey thing in hysterical rants for the remainder of the canon.
Libronomicon: It’s a good thing that this expedition was sponsored by Miskatonic University, where the Necronomicon and Pnakotic Manuscripts provide well-known frameworks for understanding alien monstrosity. Just imagine if our explorers came from a school whose Rare Books collection focused on a less practical topic…
Madness Takes Its Toll: Dyer worries he’ll be “confined” for reporting what he’s seen—while demonstrating xenophobia well beyond the pathological.
Anne’s Commentary
What is WRONG with the film industry, that it doesn’t want to capture in widescreen, CG’d, optional 3D’d glory that moment when our dauntless duo surmounts the peaks of madness and catches their first glimpse of the alien city beyond? Add epic score (by Howard Shore!), and the whole theater would gasp along with Dyer and Danforth. Not to mention the sheer joy of designing hyperrealistic Old Ones and shoggoths. Also albino penguins, for the Outer Gods’ sake! Don’t these people remember the success of March of the Penguins and Happy Feet? Of those penguins in the Madagascar movies? Of the blog FU Penguin?
If I were filthy rich, I’d be on the phone with Guillermo del Toro right now, poised to write a blank check. Because while there may be some things that should never be, there are others that cry out for realization, and a killer live-action Mountains is one of the latter.
Ahem. Valium taken.
One of the hardest things to translate to film would be the piecing together of the Old Ones’ history via their omnipresent murals. Put aside the outlandish technique of the art form, with its mind-boggling juxtaposition of the cross section with the two-dimensional silhouette—I mean, where are the great cubists when you need them to do your art design? This aspect of the novella would probably be condensed into key glimpses, like the explorers’ first clear look at a mural (OMG—the RADIATES built this city!) And, of course, loving slow pans of a decapitation by shoggoth and a recoiling from horrors unseen. Unseen, as in the story, because what could be worse than a shoggoth? Believe the Old Ones, you don’t want to know.
The Old One murals bring to mind the carvings in “The Nameless City,” which also amount to a condensed history lesson. A pictorial record is the obvious and sound choice where the “readers” don’t know the makers’ language. The significant difference between the “City” narrator and Dyer is that “City” struggles to the point of absurdity to deny that his discovery wasn’t built by humans. Even after he sees serpent people mummies, he tries to believe that they are merely totem animals, used as avatars by the human artists. Dyer is a true scientist. He admits that he can’t simultaneously believe that the transmontane spectacle is artificial, and that humans are the only intelligent species ever to walk the earth. Because, damn it Jim, he’s a GEOLOGIST, he knows how prehumanly old those rocks must be! Ergo, there were prehuman intelligences, and why not this amazingly complex radiate of Lake’s unearthing? Especially when it’s the star of all the murals.
And if you’re going to believe in Old Ones, what the hell, why not Mi-Go and Cthulhu spawn? Speaking of which, I wonder where the Yith are. The Old Ones don’t seem to picture them in their Australian stronghold, though their reigns on Earth must have overlapped. Nor do they picture the Flying Polyps. Hey, one monstrous nemesis per prehuman intelligence, please. I guess those weirdly bulging towers were just shoggoth reservoirs, one end of the Old One plumbing. Twist the sink knob with your nimble digital tentacles, and hey presto, out of the faucet pours however much shoggoth you need to perform a certain task. Done? Let the shoggoth ooze down the sink drain, back to its comfy tower bulge.
It strains credulity that Dyer could have determined much about Old One society and politics from brief inspection of the murals. Like, that they were probably socialists. Or that the “family” unit probably consisted of like-minded individuals rather than biological relatives. We have to remember that he’s writing long after the events, that he’s had time to study his photos and drawings and notes. He could be right, or his deductions could rely too much on his human perspective. I think he himself is aware of the danger. Infrequent reproduction via spores, personal longevity, comparatively slight vulnerability to environmental extremes, biological versus mechanical technology (including little reliance on vehicles due to superior self-mobility)—as we’ll read next week, the Old Ones may be “men,” but they’re far from men just like us. Yet, yet, the tantalizing commonalities of the intelligent life!
Through this installment, we pretty much forget about that Gedney guy our heroes were hunting for. You know, the one who might have freaked out, killed Lake’s party and dogs, carefully buried dead Old Ones, tinkered weirdly with camp machinery and provisions, then hiked off with a heavily laden sledge and only one dog. Yeah, seems less and less probable the more Dyer sees of the alien city. Even if he finds Danforth’s remarks about prints and pipings annoying, he can’t help thinking about the eight perfect specimens missing from Lake’s camp, and he’s not intellectually disposed to be as densely, willfully dubious as the narrator of “The Nameless City.”
Or, as Lovecraft rather elegantly closes Part Eight, Dyer and Danforth had been prepared by the last few hours “to believe and keep silent about many appalling and incredible secrets of primal Nature.”
Only Dyer won’t keep silent in the end, or we wouldn’t have another installment of “Mountains” to come!
Ruthanna’s Commentary
Over the mountain rampart at last, and into the awesome, unlikely city of the Old Ones. While I still prefer the Yithian Archives (sorry, Anne), I’d happily spend far more than one day wandering among those bas reliefs, taking notes on symbolism and style…
Of course, I might be a little more cautious in my interpretations. Dyer seems awfully confident, not only that the murals accurately present millions of years of history, but that he’s correctly interpreted the visual narrative of an entirely inhuman culture. One wonders what he’d make of a Superman comic, or Shakespeare. How would he place the rise of Richard the First, chronologically, in relation to the political turmoil in Illyria, not to mention the reconciliation of Oberon and Titania?
As far as one can tell from their conveniently carved history, the Old Ones are the Mary Sues of the Mythos. They seeded life on Earth—accidentally, of course, no one would be so gauche as to claim deliberate responsibility for humanity. They fly through space like the Mi-Go (or could at one time). They build with scale and durability to rival the Yith (not mentioned by name here, probably not yet fully conceived). Their civilization lasted for longer than any other on Earth, covering both land and sea. Plus they bred through spores, like everyone Lovecraft approves of, and created families solely based on mental and social congeniality. (Howard, sweetie, it’s okay—humans are allowed to do that too. The household part, I mean, not the spores.)
And like everyone Lovecraft approves of, they are bigots of the highest order. The shoggoths are unproblematic when first created: basically remote-control masses of protoplasm. But when they start developing thoughts and speech and volition, do the Old Ones congratulate themselves on a successful uplift and offer them voting rights? How different from humans do you think these guys are? Naturally they wage a war of “re-subjugation.”
Dyer, of course, describes the Old Ones renewed control over the Shoggoths as “admirable.”
So, tell me if this sounds familiar. One set of people enslave another. They justify this based on both their own need, and an insistence that the enslaved people are better off under their control. And besides, on their own they’re savage brutes—just look what they do to us when we lose control, after all! And look what an elegant, civilized society we built with their aid. Such a shame it’s gone now…
The “lost cause” narrative of Old One history is scoring no points in this quarter, is what I’m trying to say. Go read Elizabeth Bear’s “Shoggoths in Bloom.” I’ll wait.
So clearly, I find the Old Ones horrifying and blasphemous for different reasons than Dyer and Danforth. I’m actually not entirely clear on the source of their distress—which stems not only from as-yet-unrevealed revelations, but from the mere existence of the city itself. Sure, “accidental byproduct of shoggoth construction” is nothing to put on your resume, but “first translator of artifacts from a non-human intelligence” sure is. And I have trouble buying that academics in the 30s were that different from the ones I know. When Dyer says, ‘Nevertheless our scientific and adventurous souls were not wholly dead,” and goes about “mechanically” exploring the find of a lifetime, I rather want to shake him.
You can totally tell that this is one of my favorites, right? It is, in fact—it just happens that I disagree violently with the opinions and reactions of every character. The intricate worldbuilding, and awesome alien art, make up for a cyclopean multitude of sins.
Last note—WTF Kadath? Apparently, the impossibly high mountains from Randolph Carter’s quest can be found deep in Antarctica. As can the plateau of Leng. Is the Antarctic boundary with the Dreamlands just extraordinarily porous? Has our narrator unwittingly crossed it? If so, that would explain the unlikely preservation of structures millions of years old, and the unlikely abilities of the people who once dwelt in those structures. Even if the next expedition goes on as planned, they may find Dyer’s research unexpectedly difficult to replicate.
Dyer and Danforth seek out the Old One’s hidden sea, and find more than they wanted to, next week in the finale to “At the Mountains of Madness.” Join us for Chapters 9-12, same eyeless albino bat time, same eyeless albino bat station.
Ruthanna Emrys’s neo-Lovecraftian novelette “The Litany of Earth” is available on Tor.com, along with the more recent but distinctly non-Lovecraftian “Seven Commentaries on an Imperfect Land” and “The Deepest Rift.” Winter Tide, a novel continuing Aphra Marsh’s story from “Litany,” will be available from the Tor.com imprint in Spring 2017. Ruthanna can frequently be found online on Twitter and Livejournal, and offline in a mysterious manor house with her large, chaotic household—mostly mammalian—outside Washington DC.
Anne M. Pillsworth’s short story. “The Madonna of the Abattoir” appears on Tor.com. Her first novel, Summoned, is available from Tor Teen along with the just-released sequel Fathomless. She lives in Edgewood, a Victorian trolley car suburb of Providence, Rhode Island, uncomfortably near Joseph Curwen’s underground laboratory.
In the second part of At the Mountains of Madness, the Elder Things hit the heights of civilization and sink to the depths of decadence: the primal iteration of Lovecraft’s grand pattern.
Astounding Stories: March 1936 also contains Frank Belknap Long’s “The Roaring Blot” and Stanley G. Weinbaum’s “Redemption Cairn”.
“The Muse of Hyperborea“: mentioned last time @36.
I’m pretty sure the reason the Yith weren’t mentioned is because they didn’t exist at the time Mountains was written, much like the way the Mi-Go in Whisperer never mentioned the Elder Things because that story predated Mountains. (And now I’m starting to wonder where the Flying Polyps from Shadow fit into things — could they be the things that occasionally floated down the river from the other, higher mountains?)
The one big problem with this story is the history that Dyer and Danforth develop for the Old Ones (a term that I can never read without hearing Ted Cassidy intoning, “The Old Ones. The ones who made us.”). To be fair, he does say that some of this they developed later after studying their photos and drawings. I suppose you could justify their failure to publish on them expecting nothing but ridicule and accusations of fakery, since they’re using the Necronomicon as a reference. OTOH, Dyer is apparently getting ready to publish detailed results in the official university bulletin. Not exactly peer review, but it’s a start.
It also occurred to me during this section that the story could have really used a good line edit. In last week’s section he mentions Roerich far too many times in a short space. In this week’s section there’s something about the city being built “before the Pliocene” that gets repeated a couple of times in a short space. So, yes it could have been tightened up enough, though it never would have been short enough for Farnsworth Wright to be willing to publish it.
This section from the end of the first paragraph in Chapter VII:
There are bits of this that, to me, sound like HPL’s view of himself, particularly that bit about “simplicity of natural wants” and maybe living on a high plane without the “fruits of artificial manufacture.” But maybe I’m reading too much into that.
Plus they bred through spores, like everyone Lovecraft approves of
Heh. Lord Peter Wimsey would have agreed. “I plan to devote my entire fortune to developin’ a method of producin’ humans unobtrusively from eggs. All parental responsibilities to devolve on the incubator.”
One of the hardest things to translate to film would be the piecing together of the Old Ones’ history via their omnipresent murals.
“Alien v. Predator” had an archaeologist looking at glyphs and delivering great chunks of exposition, interspersed with flashbacks. You just have Dyer and Danforth interpreting the carvings out loud to each other, with the occasional shot of a particularly graphic and obvious bas-relief.
1st off, scrambling around at 20K feet in the cold, laden with stuff, might cause one to hallucinate all this. Thing is, it might very well also cause one to not return. Using bits of paper to make a trail–not in a windy place like that, unless you stuffed them into cracks in the masonry, which was probably well enough made that you couldn’t stuff anything in the cracks.
Could wood petrify under those conditions? Would all metal really vanish? It might not always erode faster than stone…
The spinoff theory of lunar origin, while one heck of a good story, has been superseded by the knockoff theory, and the location of the Pacific of course has nothing to do with it. All right, that’s all the science quibbles for now. Tsathoggua as “semi-entity”–what does that mean? Is it only half there, only half solid, half named or what?
Finding mechanical life “unsatisfying”, perhaps not just because of less physical need–I wonder how much of that is an echo of some human fashionable-idea? And how can terraces be “provocatively” disproportioned?
“Weapons of molecular disturbance”–microwaves?
As to whether mountains could get to 40K feet, I think it is just possible, though they might be short-lived. They would have a weather-line, above which little or no snow would fall.
Lastly, where he says the radiates “filtered down” from the stars, I find that a bizarre yet compelling image/phrase. Sometimes someone uses words you never would have dreamed of, and yet they work. (Did they lose the power of space flight because the filters got clogged?) It’s like the “nervous little pop” of the bubble in “The Colour”–or provocative terraces, for that matter. Of course, as one of those feline types who are more into places/things than people, I found the setting as whole and memorable a character as the people, human or otherwise.
Australian native artists have the “mixture of internal structure with 2-d outline” down. As for the thing never shown in the carving, that made me think of the Cat Next Door in the Peanuts strip…
Someone has already mentioned Ted Cassidy’s appearance in Robert Bloch’s STAR TREK episode “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” — I have no doubt that Cassidy’s android character is standing in for the Shoggoths, and that bit about The Old Ones is Bloch’s little injoke/homage to “At The Mountains of Madness”. After all, let’s remember that those androids also turned on the Old Ones that made them… that can’t be coincidence…
@6: I like your theory: Bloch got Lovecraftian references into television scripts as early as 1961. I also recall that Bloch used shoggoths in one of his later mythos stories, “Notebook Found in a Deserted House” (1951).
I was unable: to locate any specifically Lovecraftian Halloween costumes on Google Frightgeist. Even Providence went in for superheroes, however, I am feeling charitable and will assume that some of their witch costumes (ranked third) were of Keziah Mason.
Another one for the references file: the story of the five-sided betentacled Old Ones and their rebellious shape-shifting servants clearly inspired the makers of the Transformers cartoon in their creation of the five-faced Quintessons and the Transformers’ origin and ancient history. Right down to the latter, more easily-controlled (ergo, probably less intelligent) iteration –the Sharkticons seen in the original movie.
It’s been largely superseded now by the comics-inspired origin (with its more simplistic Good and Evil gods), but I still have a fondness for the “Quintesson Heresy.”
Ah, so much to comment on, so little time:
Anne M Pillsworth:“And if you’re going to believe in Old Ones, what the hell, why not Mi-Go and Cthulhu spawn? Speaking of which, I wonder where the Yith are. The Old Ones don’t seem to picture them in their Australian stronghold, though their reigns on Earth must have overlapped. Nor do they picture the Flying Polyps. Hey, one monstrous nemesis per prehuman intelligence, please.”
Well, HPL does toss in a saving-throw for future additions to his increasingly crowded pre-history:
“Conceivably, the Old Ones might have invented a cosmic framework to account for their occasional defeats; since historical interest and pride obviously formed their chief psychological element. It is significant that their annals failed to mention many advanced and potent races of beings whose mighty cultures and towering cities figure persistently in certain obscure legends.”
Origins of life on Earth: Neither jest nor mistake. Just a byproduct or afterthought:
“When the star-headed Old Ones on this planet had synthesised their simple food forms and bred a good supply of shoggoths, they allowed other cell-groups to develop into other forms of animal and vegetable life for sundry purposes; extirpating any whose presence became troublesome.”
And our illustrious forbears? Good for a laugh or for a bite to eat:
“It interested us to see in some of the very last and most decadent sculptures a shambling primitive mammal, used sometimes for food and sometimes as an amusing buffoon by the land dwellers, whose vaguely simian and human foreshadowings were unmistakable.”
HPL’s dream family:
“Being non-pairing and semi-vegetable in structure, the Old Ones had no biological basis for the family phase of mammal life; but seemed to organise large households on the principles of comfortable space-utility and—as we deduced from the pictured occupations and diversions of co-dwellers—congenial mental association”
A Georgian mansion, one with enough rooms to accommodate both him and all of his beloved epistolary friends: Samuel Loveman, Robert Bloch, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert E Howard, Henry Kuttner, etc
Great Race of Yith vs Old Ones
Lovecraftian dream meets Lovecraftian nightmare. Decadence and decay are the order of things in the Lovecraftian cosmos. Entropy is the only universal law. Except for the Great Race. Having triumphed over time itself, they know no decay, no degeneration. Indeed, they are, in a real sense, beyond the flesh. Their culture, after all, survives via trans-temporal mental projection. When a species nears its end, they simply project themselves into another. A true example of memes not genes. Which also means, oddly enough, that Lovecraft’s true super race is also his least racist conception.
The Old Ones, though, enjoy no such apotheosis. Despite their remarkable physical resiliency and super-advanced science (capable of creating life out of inorganic matter), the Old Ones are not immune to decay. Indeed, their saga on Earth is a veritable ode to decay. And what makes their decline all the more frightening, all the more inexorable? It just happens. They lose their ability to fly through the aether. They lose the ability to create life. No reason is given because no reason is necessary. Decline simply happens. Even worse, their art declines:
“Art and decoration were pursued, though of course with a certain decadence. The Old Ones seemed to realise this falling off themselves; and in many cases anticipated the policy of Constantine the Great by transplanting especially fine blocks of ancient carving from their land city, just as the emperor, in a similar age of decline, stripped Greece and Asia of their finest art to give his new Byzantine capital greater splendours than its own people could create.”
By the end, the Old Ones were so immersed in decay that they perhaps ceased even to care:
“By the time total abandonment did occur—and it surely must have occurred before the polar Pleistocene was far advanced—the Old Ones had perhaps become satisfied with their decadent art—or had ceased to recognise the superior merit of the older carvings.”
For an aesthete like HP (a man who could not face the prospect of moving to a thoroughly modern metropolis like Chicago) , no fate could be more appalling.
When I picture the shoggoths as slaves in our own history, I’m on their side. When I picture them as the Terminator, I’m not so sure. . . .
Given the implication of some degree of telepathy among the Old Ones (for example, in how they give “hypnotic” orders), I like to imagine there was some kind of telepathic record-keeping involved in their historical murals, which was how the viewers had an uncanny understanding of what they were trying to depict.
When I think of the Old Ones wearing protective clothing in bad weather, I wind up picturing a starfish in a parka.
Their culture decayed. They wound up playing video games and listening to country western music.
Why do creatures who can fly through space without spaceships need clothes against bad weather?
If they have senses that are different from ours it makes no sense that they carve histories that humans can understand. It is also strange that every random house seems to be a record of history. I don’t have the history of humans carved in my house.
When I picture the shoggoths as slaves in our own history, I’m on their side. When I picture them as the Terminator, I’m not so sure.
Now that would be an interesting remix of the Terminator universe. John Connor as the champion of the human Lost Cause?
“THE CRIMES OF THIS GUILTY WORLD WILL NEVER BE WASHED OUT, SAVE WITH BLOOD.”
“If I were filthy rich, I’d be on the phone with Guillermo del Toro right now, poised to write a blank check. Because while there may be some things that should never be, there are others that cry out for realization, and a killer live-action Mountains is one of the latter.”
Sorry the lame english. There is a preliminary version of the script for Del Toro’s ATMOM online and the thing is… disappointing. Reads more like an homage to John Carpenter’s The Thing than anything else. You get a lot of body horror, but the epic feel is totally absent. Hope it’s fake.
Ellynne @@@@@ 10: Headcanon accepted.
Birgit @@@@@ 11: Now I feel like maybe I should. I’m not really doing my duty by post-human archaeologists, am I?
Actually, it kind of seems like something a culture millions of years old might develop. They are not, after all, in a position to imagine that paper or CD-ROMs are sufficient for archival storage, nor that language remains comprehensible without visual aid through aeons of linguistic drift. If you want a durable record, crowdsourced sculpture with lots of redundancy is probably the way to go.
SoundsBetterInAklo @@@@@ 13: No reason why Del Toro should be exempt from the “lousy first draft” rule. May I never be so famous that people leak my drafts on the internet!
Del Toro’s script: at LovecraftZine. Hmm, definitely an early draft and not, I think, Lovecraft’s At the Mountains of Madness. Still, it’s an intriguing start.
Happy birthday to: Stephen Jones (1953), whose many anthologies include the three-volume Shadows Over Innsmouth series. This short article about his favourite horror books was published today.
Okay then. If i am paying, i’ll write the script and pay myself big bucks for it.
“The intricate worldbuilding, and awesome alien art, make up for a cyclopean multitude of sins.”
Hmm. I do not think that “ice age” means what he thinks it means. At least, I was always told that average temperatures only go down a bit, but this causes big changes in size for various ice sheets. But I find it difficult to distinguish what is HPL getting science wrong, and what is early 20th century science getting things wrong. HPL deserves credit here for espousing continental drift (apparently a pretty fringe theory at the time). Maybe reading books on polar exploration actually did a bit of education. At least this story depicts scientists as people who investigate science, as opposed to people who wear odd coats, read abstruse books, and make dramatic declarations about plot points being beyond human ken. That makes all the places where the fiddly little details are dead wrong a lot more forgivable.
The shoggoth history does feel horribly terrestrial rather than cosmic. I have difficulty swallowing a practically post-technological species so hard up for primitive muscle power that slavery becomes a sensible option. As in “Call of Cthulhu,” seems like class anxiety disguised as science fiction. The distance granted by second-hand narrative structure may actually help here – it would get insufferable if HPL seriously tried to argue us into the narrator’s world-view. But he doesn’t, and the reader is left free to mutter “Let’s hear the shoggoth’s side of it.”
I’ll always be amazed at how Lovecraft, in some of his fiction, was able to write such anti-bigotry sentences as “whatever else they were, they were men” about non-humanoid aliens, while being completely terrified of other human ethnicities in his daily life. (The disparity feels even stronger considering that a lot of pulp SF had a much stronger human-chauvinist streak even decades after Lovecraft’s death.) I don’t know whether Lovecraft actually outgrew his xenophobia at any point in his life, but his depiction of the Old Ones seems to show that he was capable of better.
Shoggoths as oppressed slave race, Shoggoths as Terminator: I find them by far most interesting if they’re both.
The Shoggoths are technology, just biotech instead of AI computers. The Old Ones continue treating them as tools after they develop intelligence.
@17 jgtheok”:I have difficulty swallowing a practically post-technological species so hard up for primitive muscle power that slavery becomes a sensible option.”
Well, HPL does make a point of noting that the Old Ones were deliberately eschewing a lot of their advanced tech:
Evidently their scientific and mechanical knowledge far surpassed man’s today, though they made use of its more widespread and elaborate forms only when obliged to. Some of the sculptures suggested that they had passed through a stage of mechanised life on other planets, but had receded upon finding its effects emotionally unsatisfying.
From what I’ve read, HPL was quite concerned about the deleterious effects of technology on “high culture.”It was a common concern at the time. Cf writers like TS Eliot and Joseph Wood Krutch (whose The Modern Temper had a big impact on HPL)
@18 Christina Nordlander:” don’t know whether Lovecraft actually outgrew his xenophobia at any point in his life, but his depiction of the Old Ones seems to show that he was capable of better.”
Outgrowing is probably the wrong word, but HPL’s thinking did mature over time. In his earliest writings (circa 1910-1920), he’s a pretty extreme Anglo-Saxon/Nordic racist. By the 1930s, though, racial views had changed to a great degree:
Therefore it is wise to discourage all mixtures of sharply differentiated races—though the colour-line does not need to be drawn as strictly as in the case of the negro, since we know that a dash or two of Mongolian or Indian or Hindoo or some such blood will not actually injure a white stock biologically. John Randolph of Roanoke was none the worse off for having the blood of Pocahontas in his veins, nor does any Finn or Hungarian feel like a mongrel because his stock has a remote & now almost forgotten Mongoloid strain.
With the high-grade alien races we can adopt a policy of flexible common-sense—discouraging mixture whenever we can, but not clamping down the bars so ruthlessly against every individual of slightly mixed ancestry. As a matter of fact, most of the psychological race differences which strike us so prominently are cultural rather than biological. If one could take a Japanese infant, alter his features to the Anglo-Saxon type through plastic surgery, & place him with an American family in Boston for rearing—without telling him that he is not an American—the chances are that in 20 years the result would be a typical American youth with very few instincts to distinguish him from his pure Nordic college-mates.
@14 R.Emrys”:Actually, it kind of seems like something a culture millions of years old might develop. They are not, after all, in a position to imagine that paper or CD-ROMs are sufficient for archival storage, nor that language remains comprehensible without visual aid through aeons of linguistic drift. If you want a durable record, crowdsourced sculpture with lots of redundancy is probably the way to go.”
Yeah, it’s important to remember that the Old Ones are thinking on a temporal scale that vastly exceeds anything that humans have experienced. Human civilization (using the classic definition of cities plus writing) has been around for only 5 to 6 thousand years. Old One civilization, in contrast, endured for millions of years.They are beings who function in terms of geological time (cf Loren Eiseley).
@11 birgit:””Why do creatures who can fly through space without spaceships need clothes against bad weather?”
That requires prep-work:
For their prehistoric flights through cosmic space, legend said, they had absorbed certain chemicals and became almost independent of eating, breathing, or heat conditions;
If anyone is interested, BBC radio recently did a dramatization of AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, and it’s been posted to youtube. It’s not bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAd00BM31lk
Between the Antarctic setting and an ancient alien antagonist that can take the shape of anything it chooses, I think this story has already been quasi-adapted as The Thing.
I’d love to have seen del Toro’s adaptation, though; he has exceptional skill with spooky visuals and it would have been visually amazing.
I can’t help but wonder what the pictogram for “musical, piping language” looks like…
While it’s still a good story, Mountains of Madness loses a bit of its bite due to the distinct lack of a mountain range grander than the Himalayas in Antarctica. Although, perhaps shortly after the protagonists left, Leng shifted to the Antarctica we know, as Leng is described as a plateau where a variety of worlds and realities intersect. Useful if you’re running a Mountains of Madness inspired story in a modern day setting in Call of Cthulhu.