Welcome back to the Warbreaker reread! Last week, Vivenna was repeatedly sent spinning as she tried to cope with mercenaries and the death of Lemex. This week, we return to a decidedly bored Siri, as she attempts to find something interesting to do with herself—since kneeling naked on the floor for hours is definitely not at the top of the list.
This reread will contain spoilers for all of Warbreaker and any other Cosmere book that becomes relevant to the discussion. This is particularly likely to include Words of Radiance, due to certain crossover characters. The index for this reread can be found here.
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Chapter 11
Point of View: Siri
Setting: The God King’s Palace
Timing: Six days after her arrival in T’Telir
Take a Deep Breath
Siri walks through the palace with a disdainful and impatient Treledees, seeking a way to make some kind of exception to the rule about not leaving the building; she’s desperate to simply get outdoors, however briefly. Barring that, even having someone to talk to would help—the servants are too subservient, and the priests too lofty. Bluefingers is the only person who talks to her like a human being, but he’s very busy and she feels bad about distracting him from his work.
Some of her irritability comes from the hours spent kneeling on the stone floor every night for the last six nights, resulting in persistent pain in her back and neck. Every night and every day has followed the same sequence: kneel naked on the floor until the God King leaves, move to the bed for some actual sleep, wake up, burn the sheets, choose from an array of clothing, wander uselessly around for the day, bathe, put on another gown to wear into the bedchamber and remove. Lather, rinse, repeat. The biggest change is that she has taken to requesting the most ornate gowns with the most fabric to use for cushioning and warmth.
Bathed and dressed, she waits with Bluefingers before the golden doors to the bedchamber. Even though this has been repeated every night, she is still nervous about it. At some point, it has to change, and she won’t know when until the moment she hears Susebron knock on the bedpost to summon her.
This night, Bluefingers appears to be nervous as well; he finally asks her how things are going, assuming that her tiredness is a result of a series of… active nights. She allows him to think so. As obliquely as possible, he seems to be warning her to be alert, to be wary, and finally cautions her that not everything in the palace is as it seems.
She enters the room, and the vibrancy of the colors tell her that the God King is waiting. She goes through the ritual undressing, and kneels uncomfortably on the stone floor again. Tonight, she focuses on Bluefingers’s odd behavior in an attempt to distract herself, and is again frustrated by her inability to figure it out, wondering if it would be different if she’d paid attention to her lessons. Vivenna would have figured it out by now, and would have fixed everything, but Siri herself is too incompetent. In her exasperation and weariness, she suddenly sits up and blurts out what she’s thinking: “Will you please just get on with it?”
Terrified at her behavior but with her stubbornness to support her, she looks up to see the God King sitting up straighter, watching her but apparently without anger. Deciding that there’s probably no more risk than she’s already taken, she faces him and stares back. It’s actually a bit more embarrassing and uncomfortable this way, but she’s too fed up with the situation to back down now. Eventually, he simply stands up and leaves at about the same time he left every night. Since no soldiers or priests come to give her fetch for it, she climbs into the bed and falls asleep.
Breathtaking
“You’re not ‘locked up,’ Vessel,” Treledees said. “You are observing a period of isolation in which you can dedicate yourself to contemplating your new place in life. It is an ancient and worthy practice, one that shows respect for the God King and his divine monarchy.”
“Yes, but this is Hallandren,” Siri said. “It’s the land of laxness and frivolity! Surely you can see your way to making an exception.”
Treledees stopped short. “We do not make exceptions in matters of religion, Vessel. I must assume that you are testing me in some way, for I find it hard to believe that anyone worthy of touching our God King could harbor such vulgar thoughts.”
This cracked me up. “It’s the land of laxness and frivolity!” Well, mostly… except, as we’ve seen before, when it comes to their religion. Not anyone else’s religion, mind you, but their own is very serious business. I wonder if Treledees is ever lax and frivolous, though.
Local Color
The annotations remind us that we’re supposed to find Siri’s plot line frustrating and purposeless at this point; spending a whole week with nothing to do, bowing every night in hope of pleasing her lofty husband, and basically going in circles is enough to drive her nuts. Which of us wouldn’t be going stir-crazy in that situation?
The origin of Bluefingers is a little more interesting, but I think I’ll wait to deal with him in more detail when we find out through the story what he’s up to. For now, suffice it to say that his warnings to Siri are intended to make her more nervous, to feel in danger so she’s likely to trust him more than anyone else. I think it’s working.
Snow White and Rose Red
It’s a little unclear whether this is Siri’s character developing or reverting, but it’s a refreshing change one way or the other. Six days of careful control have done nothing but drive her to intense frustration, so her innate orneriness comes to the rescue … maybe, anyway. We’ll have to wait for the next chapter to find out what the results are, but for now, she’s still alive!
The funny part is that it seems more dangerous to annoy the priests than their God King.
As I Live and Breathe
By now, Siri has figured out some of the effects of large amounts of Breath, including the way Susebron’s presence enhances all the color around him and bends white like a prism. It’s such a typical Siri reaction that she wishes she could see it with better lighting, because it would be so beautiful—and then immediately tries to feel guilty about it, because one person holding that much Breath is a perversion of Investiture and comes by devouring the souls of his people. (Again with the souls!)
Soon, Siri. Soon, you will be allowed to see him in broad daylight. It will be delightful.
In Living Color
The God King’s wrath, she thought drowsily, is decidedly less wrathful than reported.
We’re right on the verge, now, of finally meeting Susebron as a real person. Or, you know, as real as a cognitive shadow stuck back in a body can be, which is pretty real, all things considered. This is the first time Siri has seen any reaction from him at all. He always just sat there and seemed (as nearly as she could tell without looking directly at him very much) to more or less enjoy looking at her, but that’s it. When she finally speaks to him, and then sits up and looks straight at him, he does the same. It’s the first thing he’s actually done. I don’t know about Siri, but it gave me hope that something productive might happen sometime soon. Or, you know… reproductive. Or, by contrast, devastating—which from all we know at this point, is far more likely, but since he didn’t strangle her with her own dress, maybe not?
Exhale
Last time we had a Siri chapter, it was rather frustrating. She was aimless and frustrated, with no purpose except to provide an heir, which she couldn’t do without some participation from Susebron. (Sitting and looking at her doesn’t count.) By now, several days later, her aimlessness and frustration has come to a boiling point.
The only variety in her days seems to come from choosing her clothing. Two things caught my attention and made me smile. One, it’s actually harder for her to choose a dress when she realizes that the same clothes are never presented twice. If she like two different outfits, she’d better choose carefully, because she’ll never get a chance at the other one again. Well, okay, it’s not that big a deal, really, but her options for independent choice are pretty limited right now. (Also, I wonder what would happen if she said, “I want this one today, and I want that one tomorrow.” Would they do it, or would they just look shocked? It apparently hasn’t occurred to her that she could give that kind of orders yet.)
The second clothing-related amusement is her subterfuge with the bedchamber-removal dresses. It didn’t take her long to decide that more fabric would be a very good thing, and that if she kept choosing the most ornate and fluffy ones, they might bring her even more ornate and fluffy choices. Well, it sure beats kneeling on stone!
Again, this is a light chapter, but this time it feels like we’re really, at last, setting up for something to happen. We’ll find out in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, next week in Chapter 12, Lightsong reluctantly fulfills his obligations and Siri reflects on surviving the night.
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I love how Susebron turn out to be kind of a dork once we get to know him. His “creepy” behavior was caused by the fact that he has been rather sheltered his whole life and has no idea how to act around people
EDIT: Just realized I had one of those FIRST comments. Hackneyed I know. But I hardly ever get the chance to do it, and I DID put down stuff of actually merit in the first place, so what the heck.
Yeah, how would you like to be the priest assigned to have “the talk” with Susebron once he hits puberty? At least you wouldn’t have to worry about him asking embarrassing questions, but still. What’s crazier is the idea that they didn’t at least explain the basics of human reproduction to him. I mean sure, instinct will help, but it’s not going to be enough if they want a kid soon. :-)
@3 – I, too, find it crazy that nobody explained sex to Susebron. It actually strains belief.
@2 They don’t actually NEED him to have sex, and since he’s their god, I assume no priest felt very comfortable having the birds and bees talk. Remember that being a returned, he couldn’t produce an heir anyway. So they have no reason to educate Susebron on what goes on between a man and woman.
“I, too, find it crazy that nobody explained sex to Susebron. It actually strains belief.”
But the whole point is that they (the priests) don’t want/need/care about an heir. I don’t actually remember if Susebron knew the whole plan at this point or not, but I don’t think he did.
Look at it this way, Siri and Susebron have been thrown together and are going to be able to “retire” someplace remote and cozy together “for as long as you both shall live”. I would think that the easiest way to sabotage a long term relationship would be to start it off with a “rape” (even is Siri is going to accept it, that is what it would be). So, maybe keeping Susebron ignorant gives them the chance to build a partnership by figuring things out themselves. You know, kinda of like what happened.
I think they kept Suse ignorant because they could. The system is set up so that the God-King is a pampered hostage/treasure chest that gets replaced when necessary. To that end, keeping him ignorant of sex serves their purposes of keeping him ignorant of other things as well, like his inability to actually have a child.
What happened wasn’t meant to let Suse and Siri build a partnership. If the two aren’t even touching, then there’s no way they are communicating, discovering the real plan and ruin it. That they did get together was Siri’s doing by being brash and irrepressible (well, at least it was the start. Suse had his own part to play too). Viv would have stayed kneeling on the floor…possibly forever, never mind teaching Suse how to read and eventually falling in love with him.
Come to think of it, there really is no one to give THE TALK to Susebron. And quite frankly, there really is no need. LOL I mean, goodness gracious, we know about it when we reach puberty simply because we live with other people and other beings. If you live in a farm, you witness it every springtime. And well, if you live in the city, television and the movies will teach you.
But, Susebron does not have that. So, he is an innocent.
Anyway, when I read the book, I actually found these scenes hilarious. :-) And I’m just glad in the end, Siri and Susebron finally found each other. :-)
BenW @1 – When I first saw this, I read “Susebron” as “Sanderson” and was totally freaked out by your comment. Fortunately, I looked more closely before I had heart failure. ;)
@many – We haven’t got there yet, of course, but clearly for those in the know, it doesn’t make the slightest difference whether Susebron ever figures out anything about sex or not. Still, they apparently expect him to, what with the listening for appropriate activity and all. Which… kinda creeps me out, frankly. More about that later, naturally!
I agree that they probably didn’t care one way or the other if Siri and Susebron forged any kind of relationship; if anything it is more in their interests to keep both of them isolated/ignorant.
Re: .8 The comments about people listening being creepy; I think that is less creepy than checking the sheets for blood or having official observers to make sure a royal marriage was acceptably consummated. I can’t actually remember the story well enough to recall the plot details but it doesn’t seem that it matters what they do or don’t do in the bedroom.
@10 I think it’s one of those things that’s definitely not the creepiest thing that the priests could do but still not the least creepy thing.
IIRC, they did have someone in the room the first night, though only to make sure Siri didn’t try to assassinate Susebron. Not quite sure why they think she might have a prayer of succeeding, but still.
@10: very common with royal weddings and beddings. GRRM did not make up that part of the Red Wedding. Bride and groom were often carried away by a group. At least in some time and places in Europe.
Re: Susebron, how did the poor kid deal with puberty? I’m trying to stop the thoughts, but … poor isolated kid.
Since they don’t seem to have sewing machines, I’m left wondering how many seamstresses there are working on these clothes.
It’s the ultimate in wealth and waste. Since it doesn’t sound like these clothes are allowed to be reworked or donated. Since they have gotten too close to the God King.
So is Susebron dressed in a newly made robe every day? The old one burned? An entire factory would need to be dedicated to making cloth just for him!
“Siri, I give you your faults.” Shades of Mrs. Whatsit in one of my favorite scenes in “A Wrinkle in Time”, when the faults Meg’s always been criticized for – impatience and argumentativeness, primarily – are things she can rely on to help her resist evil on Camazotz. I love that there – since I’m argumentative and impatient – and love it here, too, that’s Siri’s ‘faults’ give her the first hint of a breakthrough and a first contact with Susebron.
I also love that she doesn’t stop to think before calling Hallandren the land of “laxness and frivolity”, lol. And maybe they’re not lax in their religion, but as Braid_Tug points out, they’re certainly *wasteful* and there is a certain amount of frivolity there. Although I guess I mean frivolousness, rather than frivolity. *avoids thinking about cathedrals or expensive bottles perfume poured over the feet*
Wetlander wrote: “We’re right on the verge, now, of finally meeting Susebron as a real person. Or, you know, as real as a cognitive shadow stuck back in a body can be, which is pretty real, all things considered.”
Returned are cognitive shadows? I know Returned are Splinters of Investiture, but I’ve not seen them called cognitive shadows before. Is that official terminology? I guess I haven’t thought of them that way since they’re sent back right away (more or less) by Endowment, and into their original bodies – I’ve thought of it as more like “CPR, deluxe package”.
And um…apropos of nothing, really…what’s our spoiler policy re: M:SH?
Chris, that WoB is pretty recent. I’ll try to find the best quotation when I’m on my computer.
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Also: Hi!! ::waves enthusiastically::
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Ok, so, really it was apropos. Just – if Returned are Cognitive Shadows stuffed back in a body, then that bodes well for Kelsier’s ambitions at the end of M:SH. I mean, not that I had any doubt that he’d succeed, but still….
Okay, so it’s pretty lame that I had to go look up my own conversation… but here’s a quote from the night of the Seattle AU signing:
I don’t know if we already had the information that they were cognitive shadows, but he was pretty matter-of-fact about it.
Very cool!
Now I want to know if you-know-who from M:SH would look/feel like a Returned…whether on Nalthis or otherwise.
Oh, Alice, is there a signing report on that? I’m sure there must be…can you link to it? I don’t have time today to dive into the Coppermind unprotected…
So these cognitive shadows are just copies of their mind? I.e. not the actual person/soul?
Chirs, that’s just what I wrote here when I got home that evening. I know Angie was recording the whole thing, but as near as I can tell she hasn’t posted a transcription yet. Normally, I record the signing table exchanges as long as I can, but I forgot my recorder that night. So… that’s the best I could remember afterwards. I’d love to see a verbatim transcription, though.
Austin, that’s my understanding. In Words of Radiance, Szeth was actually healed, so his soul was only partially loosed from his body – he’s “really there” but having problems because his soul wants to leave. The Returned were really dead, and a cognitive shadow was created and stuck back into the body; I’m not quite sure what that says about their souls! I think it means that only the cognitive aspect was returned, while the spiritual aspect moved Beyond, maybe? But I can’t seem to wrap my head around the realmatic stuff this morning.
Wetlandernw @12: Yes, there was someone under the bed the first night (per Treledees in Chapter 40 and BWS in the Annotation to Chapter 18).
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Ok, about Cognitive Shadows and souls. I seem to recall several instances (including in Arcanum Unbounded) of in-universe questioning whether or not cognitive shadows are copies or originals. I’ll try to track that down. But it seems to me that we are using “cognitive shadow” for some different phenomenon.
1. Kelsier is a cognitive shadow in M:SH, but it seems clear that he’s the original since part of the plot is him refusing to move on to the Spiritual realm.
2. Otoh, Stormfather’s talked about as a cognitive shadow of Honor, but he’s clearly not the original Tanavast; or not even a copy of him. The only way that I can figure him as a ‘cognitive shadow’ is that a. he scooped up some of the fragments of Honor’s shattered power, maybe; b. he was already invested by and associated with Honor; and c. humans on Roshar think of the Stormfather as the Almighty, and their thoughts shaping the cognitive realm have partially reshaped him. Don’t know to what extent any of those are true or confirmed.
3. The Returned seem to me more likely to be like Kelsier than like the Stormfather, or even the Shades on Threnody – since Endowment intercepts them and offers them the chance to go back, rather like Preservation used to intercept people just before they departed for the Spiritual. Only, rather than ushering them on as Preservation does, Endowment seems in some cases to interrupt the process and offer to send people back – which is done by Endowing them with sufficient Investiture, presumably, so that they are able to resist the pull into the Spiritual, much as Kelsier is able to resist once he sucks up some investiture from the Shardpool. This is all speculative, of course, but feels like, um, grounded speculation – at least to me.
So anyway, I’m wondering if it’s not likely that SOME cognitive shadows are ‘orginals’ and some are copies.
Chris – on 1 & 3, I think you’re spot on. On 2, I think the case is that Stormfather was actually “invented” before Honor was shattered – he was a Splinter of Honor while Tanavast was still a living and active Vessel. Then when Odium attacked and shattered Honor, Stormfather was left to gather what remaining power he could. So he’s not a cognitive shadow in the same way the Returned and Kelsier are. (Also, IIRC, Brandon recently said that the Heralds are also cognitive shadows? Maybe? I’ll have to go find that.)
Okay, here’s what I found, which is mostly irrelevant to Warbreaker but oh well:
So I guess it has to do with the Heralds having died and then their Investiture-permeated souls continually returning to a re-perfected body? Or something?
When Brandon says “you’ve seen people do it” (travel away from the thing they’re Connected to, while they’re Cognitive Shadows), who’s he talking about? My first thought is that it’s a hint that Vasher may be Ishar, but there’s probably more likely candidates.
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How about Kessler traveling well away from Fuzz when he visited the Elantrians?
@26, 27 It is all but confirmed that Vasher = Zahel in Words of Radiance. That is what I thought of when I saw the quote about ‘seeing people doing it before’