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Elves, Balrogs, and Nazgûl: 16 Possible Plots for the Lord of the Rings TV Series

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Published on November 17, 2017

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Queen Berúthiel’s cat is out of the bag! Amazon made its bewildering announcement last week that it has acquired the rights to adapt J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings novels” into a multi-season television show of some kind. Which means it’s obviously time for wild speculation and baseless, unrequited yearning.

What I won’t do right now is overthink this. We just don’t know too much. And now the news is out that Christopher Tolkien himself is no longer part of the Tolkien Estate, which does explain a little bit about what’s going on. As a Tolkien nut, I’m only a little anxious because I’m not particularly fond of where the fantasy genre is at, in relation to television (and I realize I may be alone in that), and I’d hate to see his world sullied by greedy hands in similar fashion. But there is always hope that this series could be amazing in the long run. And frankly, the books themselves will always be unsullied, no matter what they do.

So, care to set aside cynicism and join me for some totally unfounded and ill-considered (if Tookishly adventurous) guesswork?

All right, so what do we know so far? The official press release is maddeningly vague, saying that Amazon plans to “bring to the screen previously unexplored stories based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s original writings.” Then it goes on with:

Set in Middle Earth [sic], the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring. The deal includes a potential additional spin-off series.

New story lines preceding Fellowship? Hmm, so then not really based on The Lord of the Rings itself, but I guess that includes all the things referenced by the Appendices? There’s no mention of The Hobbit (which certainly precedes it) in this press release, nor The Silmarillion—a text for which I’ve recently embarked on a primer/guide here on the site (come along for the ride!)—which makes me think it’s likely to focus on events leading up to, and probably centered around, the War of the Ring itself.

Appendix B, “The Tale of Years,” briefly summarizes the First Age but doesn’t go into any detail about it. They probably don’t have Silmarillion rights, so they’ll likely stick to latter days.

The Second Age is chock-full of great stuff, summarized mostly in the timelines of that appendix, and most of it centers around Sauron’s rise to power in the absence of his erstwhile master, Morgoth. Men, Elves, and Dwarves are the good guys, but they don’t always get along—plenty of room for drama there. Various episodes could feature:

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  • Dwarves! In great numbers they head over to occupy and fortify Moria. This is pre-Balrog, of course, as they mine for mithril and actually get along well with the Elves just outside their porch (you know, back when they make that fancy back door the Fellowship will later rediscover). Durin’s folk need some love, Amazon!
  • The Númenóreans. Blessed with long life and possessing greater power than most other Men, they show up on the coast of Middle-earth after having ruled on their island-kingdom for some time. They’re kickass mariners and mighty warriors. Such promise and ambition! Want more female characters? Why not start with Tar-Ancalimë, the first queen of Númenór?

Lord of the Rings elves Galadriel TV show speculation

  • The Elves (specifically the Noldor). Those who haven’t sailed West with their kin establish the realm of Eregion. Who wants more Galadriel? Oooh, I do! And here she is, ruling Eregion for a while with her husband, Celeborn. Forget the Kardashians—what’s in fashion is what Celeborn is wearing!
  • Sauron. Dismayed by all these do-gooders in the north, he establishes himself in an obscure and dark little land called Mordor. There he shores up his power and begins construction on Barad-dûr, the Dark Tower. Orc contractors are probably called in. The drama, the infighting! The literal infighting. (In one one of Tolkien’s essays, he writes that the Noldor called Orcs the Glamhoth, which means “host of tumult.” Move over, Sons of Anarchy—give me the spin-off series Hosts of Tumult.)
  • The creation of the Rings of Power. Knowing all too well the mettle of the Elves, Sauron tries to trick them with a ring-based pyramid scheme. When that doesn’t quite seal the deal, he makes war with Eregion. Elrond himself joins the fray in this one as he leads the Elven forces! It’s turns out to be a Pyrrhic victory for Sauron: Eregion is wrecked but the new Dark Lord is ousted from that part of the world.

  • The Nazgûl origin story. With his ring gambit foiled by both Elves and Dwarves, Sauron turns the nine kings of Men into ringwraiths and starts siccing them on his enemies. You can’t tell me you don’t want to see more Nazgûl on screen.
  • The Fall of Númenór. This would probably make for an entire season. Sauron lets himself gets “captured” by Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, the latest and most bombastic king of Númenór, at this point. Under his puppetmaster-style ministrations, Sauron drives Númenór into utter corruption. The saga of Númenór has a lot of conflict, a lot of Men vs. Men hostility, to sate the fans of gritty fantasy. There’s even blood sacrifice. Ar-Pharazôn goes on to lead his kingdom into folly and physical ruin as he launches an armada to attack all of Valinor. Bad idea. Númenór sinks into the sea with a great cataclysm, with only a small percentage of its population (i.e. Aragorn’s ancestors) escaping before the disaster.
  • The Last Alliance of Elves and Men. Sauron returns to Mordor, having helped destroy the mightiest of Men, then goes on the defensive when he finds that the High King Gil-galad and his Elves have gotten organized along with the surviving Númenóreans. Gil-galad, with Elrond in tow, fights alongside Elendil and his son Isildur in the Battle of Dagorlad and then later at the foot of Mount Doom! Sauron loses his Ring in that famous moment, and his power is broken (for now). This moment would totally be a series finale.

The main problem with all this Second Age stuff is that the details just aren’t there in the Lord of the Rings Appendices. For that you need The Silmarillion, or other books. Not sure Amazon is able to use those sources…yet. That would open up a heck of a lot more, for good or ill.

Meanwhile, what does the Third Age offer? The Lord of the Rings takes place at its tail-end, but plenty of great stuff occurs beforehand, and that just might be what Amazon is going to look at. What stories could you tell with multi-season television programming if you really want to?

Well, here are a few, in no particular order.

  • When the Dwarves in Moria finally delve “too deep”—and rouse the Balrog. Not a good day for Durin VI, I can tell you. Surprise, Balrog! Good for at least one episode, right? Action-packed.

Lord of the Rings TV show speculation Witch King

  • The Witch-King of Angmar. Everybody’s favorite Nazgûl has more of his history fleshed out in Appendix A of LotR. After Sauron’s defeat he eventually returns to rule the northern kingdom of Angmar. Even when Angmar falls, being a ringwraith, the Witch-King “lives” on. How great would it be to hear aloud the prophecy that foreshadows Éowyn’s later victory over him (#ShePersisted)? Glorfindel himself says it: “Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man shall he fall.”
  • Almost anything involving the Easterlings and the Haradrim. And maybe preferably in times of peace. They do invade Gondor at various times, and yes, they’re almost always allied with Sauron—but Tolkien makes it clear that all Men on the Enemy’s side were deceived by his lies. Men, quite unlike Orcs, are not intrinsically evil. Moreover, we only ever see the soldiers who march in Sauron’s war—the ones who, as Samwise wonders in The Two Towers, might “rather have stayed” at home. I think most of us can agree that it would be exceedingly awesome to see those parts of Middle-earth where white-skinned people aren’t the majority, or calling all the shots. Every culture has its stories and its heroes. Even the Númenóreans as a whole bend to evil and hubris eventually—but not all embrace it. All the stories of Gondor came from that tension.

Elrond Arwen Lord of the Rings TV speculation

  • Elrond’s romance with Celebrían. Elrond is one of the sons of Eärendil and Elwing, and Celebrían is the daughter of Celeborn and Galadriel. Because of their famous parents, these two are already celebrities by the time they get married in the Third Age. Now we’ve all seen way too many weddings in movies and on TV, yes…but we have seen Elf weddings? Totally different. They give birth to their two sons, Elladan and Elrohir, 29 years later, and then have a daughter, Arwen, only a scant 111 years after that. To add to this family’s storied history, some 2,268 years later still, Celebrían is captured and tormented by Orcs in the Misty Mountains. She’s rescued by her sons, but though her body heals her mind does not; she must set sail for the Undying Lands, the only place she can be fully mended, and leave her family behind until they all make the same journey far in the future. This is some serious family drama, folks. Think This Is Us but with *way* bigger leaps in time.
  • The adventures of the Istari! These seemingly old men show up in boats on the shores of Middle-earth, but where did they all go during the 1,341 years that passed before the events of even The Hobbit? I mean, we know of a few places, and of the White Council where at least two of them end up. But wouldn’t it be cool to see the moment when Gandalf first meets a hobbit, and when he tries pipeweed for the first time? How about seeing Saruman strolling in the woods alongside Treebeard, talking as they once did before things got dreadful. And how about those Blue Wizards?
  • Círdan the goddamned Shipwright! This is the only Elf ever described as having a beard. How can we not want to see more of his story?

Lord of the Rings TV speculation Aragorn Gandalf buddy cop show

  • Young Aragorn meeting Gandalf, and their adventures together. Theirs could be like a buddy cop show—one is sagacious, cranky, and knows more than he’s saying, and the other is young, skillful, and doesn’t play by the rules. (Actually, he probably totally plays by the rules; Elrond raised him.) Then we can follow Aragorn’s solo adventures under the alias Thorongil—first in Rohan then in Gondor. And let’s not forget about the mid-season finale when he meets Arwen  in the woods, à la Beren and Lúthien.
  • Two words: Tom Bombadil. Think Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood but way crazier, and involving plenty of trees, water-lilies, and mischievous barrow-wights. And some seriously questionable fashion on his part. Can the mainstream world handle Tom? Probably not. But maybe his lovely wife, Goldberry, will make seeing him on screen more palatable.

Really, that’s just a tip of the iceberg of what Amazon could possibly tackle, in terms of storylines. I’m almost sure they’ll do none of these things.

So, what’ve you got? What would you want to see?

 

Top image: “The Witch-king of Angmar” by Peter Xavier Price

Jeff LaSala will hope for the best. And when there is none, then we may at least be avenged. He wrote a Scribe Award–nominated D&D novel once, some cyberpunk stories, and some RPG books. And now he works for Tor Books.

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Tracy S
7 years ago

Aragorn as “Thorongil” pre-LotR, rising in the service of Gondor to where some people begin thinking he’s more what like what they want their rulers to be than the Stewards. (And then he spends some time in the East…)

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Matt
7 years ago

I will be surprised if it’s not The Young Aragorn Chronicals: The Adventures of Thorongil.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

I imagine there’s lots of story-telling that could involve the Rohirrim.  

JamesP
7 years ago

I like the “Aragorn’s early days” concepts. I think a lot can be done showing his adventures before he shows up in Bree to escort some Hobbitses to Rivendell.

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PG
7 years ago

1st Choice: Adventures of Aragorn. (For the record, I made this prediction in a comment back on the initial press-release post… you heard it there first! …….orrr, you thought of it yourself too because it’s not that hard. :-D)

2nd Choice: An anthology series, framed by Gandalf/Elrond/Aragorn/other-old-and-wise-story-tellers swapping tales, after the War of the Ring, about the history of Middle-earth.

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7 years ago

The Life and Times of Celembrimbor 

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Brent Halbleib
7 years ago

The Aragorn back story would be ideal for a movie, I think. End it right before he meets the hobbits in Bree. A story of the attempted recolonization of Moria by the Dwarves would be cool, but sad.  Gollum’s story between the loss of the Ring and his meeting Frodo and Sam in “The Two Towers” would have enough material for a book too.  What all these stories have in common is characters from The Hobbit and LotR that we know and love (Aragorn, Gandalf, Legolas, Balin, Gollum).  

If they need battles, then the Great Northern War (my term, not the real name for it) all the way from Lothlorien up to Dale and Erebor would be really cool.  Not as many familiar characters but Celeborn (kicking A), and Dain and Bard and Thranduil.

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7 years ago

Right now my money is well and thoroughly on Aragorn backstory–mostly for the name recognition of “Aragorn” for broader audiences who might be familiar with the movies, but not with the actual books. And I would really like to see Aragorn in Gondor, for the potential to see young cranky Denethor. :D

The stuff I really want to see–Beren and Luthien, and the Fall of Numenor–is over in the Silmarillion, so I’m not anticipating getting to see that any time soon.

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Jenny Islander
7 years ago

The Fell Winter in the Shire.

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DANNY KAISER
7 years ago

I’d rather see an adaptation of Bored of the Rings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bored_of_the_Rings

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Robb
7 years ago

I would imagine a series set on Numenor would give Amazon that GOT feel they seem to want, especially since the rise of Sauron would echo the coming of the Night King.

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Ian
7 years ago

Agree with those suggesting that it would be a smart move for the first season (or at least the first batch of episodes) to focus on the adventures of Aragorn and Gandalf to provide a familiar hook. But it seems to me that a decent writing staff could find a way to use them as a framing device for a season that covers the rise and fall of Númenor. And if they do go that way, does anyone seriously think the writers won’t send off some of their research staff to come up with ‘fresh ideas’ to flesh out the tale from the appendices while letting slip about some story called, uh, Akira? Akaba? Akallabêth?,  from some anthology work whose name *cough* escapes them at the moment?

 

But I totally vote for any and all of the ideas Jeff threw out there!

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Bill Reynolds
7 years ago

Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I don’t think it’s necessarily true that The Silmarillion and the other books that Christopher did are omitted from the deal.  I think news reports, being what they are, used the most easily recognizable shortcut to orient their readers.  They all want clicks, and LoTR will generate a lot more clicks than The Silmarillion.  I suppose that Christopher could have left some clauses attached to his work which meant that it had to be kept out of any deals, but it would seem counterproductive to omit it from the estate’s point of view because that considerably limits the number and quality of the plots which can be extracted.

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lorq
7 years ago

The Fall of Numenor would be the most dramatically effective story one could tell; it would also be the most historically and thematically relevant story in relation to the larger narrative and meaning of Middle Earth. (And God knows it would have a spectacular ending.)

But I personally would love to see a tale of the adventures of the two Blue Wizards in the lands beyond the eastern edge of Middle Earth. Total blank slate there, which could link up with the main story in interesting ways. (Also links up with a notion I’ve batted around before that an “Asiaticized” version of Middle Earth could be pretty neat.)

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mutantalbinocrocodile
7 years ago

 I’m still struggling to see how any of these ideas would be, well, anything but very high budget fanfic. I see the potential for Fall of Numenor (tragic arc! Canonical grimdark! Canonical evil slaveholding empire of white-skinned Men! Interesting female characters, particularly with the inclusion of Unfinished Tales!). But unless the deal includes the Akallabeth on some complex argument that it’s not technically part of the Silmarillion, just published with it, there’s just not much material. I agree that, if the deal included Silmarillion rights, we’d have heard by now. 

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Winrobee
7 years ago

I have some connections I definitely make between actors and characters when I visualize the actions in the books. Here are some of the strongest:

First of all, any returning actors would be welcomed by me. Peter Jackson created epic fantasy and got the ball going. After that, I’d like to see the following:

Fëanor: Daniel Craig
Lúthien: Kiera Knightly
Sauron: reprised by Benedict Cumberbach. Except played by other when appearing in Annatar form.
Ar-Pharazôn: Keanu Reeves

Some of the Valar (some repeats):
Manwë: Keanu Reeves
Varda: Kim Basinger
Nienna: Kate Beckensale
Mandos: Tom Hiddleston
Yavanna: Katie Sagal
Este: Liv Tyler

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Rose
7 years ago

What about the Hobbits’ wandering years from their original home to what would become the shire and their encounters/relations with the other races?

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Zhivik
7 years ago

There are a lot of stories in the Third Age that may be interesting. The whole story of Arnor, especially its twilight years; the story of Gondor during the ages – civil war, invasions, plague, victory against faraway enemies, the last king of Gondor challenging the Witch King in Minas Morgul; the founding of the Shire; the story of Rohan and its struggle against the Dunelandings and the Easterlings.

I do agree that Aragorn’s travels seem the most likely option, though. You will ahve a familiar main character (but younger, so different casting), you get to meet other famous characters – Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Denethor, Arwen, and you get to travel all over Middle-Earth, even places not shown before (Harad and Rhun).

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Dominic Stevens
7 years ago

The Fatty Bolger Chronicles. The tales of how Fatty Bolger defended the Shire after the other four Hobbits left town. Including against Saramon and Wormtongue. 

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7 years ago

I’m less interested in LotR things when they don’t involve Gollum. But all of you have offered good ideas for plots I would be interested in watching. My personal preference is for spending a lot of time on things other than battles, but I expect they’ll maximize the battle-time as TV adapters do. Ditto for romance.

I’m dubious that they won’t play up the gratuitous sex & violence too much, despite the books’ relative paucity of that. If they discover “Celebrian,” the figurative Balrog* of LotR fanfic, hope may be lost. 

*It’s big, it’s nasty, it has defeated stalwart critic-warriors, it rose from the foulest depths of someone’s mind, and those who delve too deeply in the wrong parts on the internet might still find it.

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Dr. Thanatos
7 years ago

@18 I must quibble. The only person who could play the most beautiful woman who ever lived is, as is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, Valerie Bertinelli…

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7 years ago

@22 and @23. Agreed, not watchable. I absolutely don’t need to see details of Tolkien’s ghastly hints about what Orcs do to female prisoners. If it goes there I will throw things, even though my TV is new. And maybe throw my cookies as well.

Still trying to think of a good fan-cast for: Ar-Pharazon, Annatar, Tar-Miriel, Elendil, and younger Isildur.

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7 years ago

One thing I don’t want to see? More backstory to Gollum.*

I’m kinda tired of the whole “Let’s excuse the villain because he was abused during his childhood” approach to explaining away the evil that people do. I don’t need to sympathize/empathize with Gollum, just pity him.

*Apologies to AeronaGreenjoy

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7 years ago

Yes, he’s an original character, and I wouldn’t mind seeing Aragorn and Gandalf and the Elves in a hunt for him through Middle-earth, I just don’t want to see his childhood used as emotional blackmail for the viewer.

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7 years ago

I would probably prefer my envisionings of Gollum’s off-page adventures to whatever anyone else thinks up anyway. :-p

I might have adored Gollum less if he hadn’t had such an affinity for waterways. But I’m a complete pushover for aquatic humanoids and can forgive them for anything except romancing other characters, and I even forgave Gollum for loving the Ring because it facilitated his transformation into a thing of beauty and a joy forever. *goes heart-eyed*

Andy Serkis was a very fine Gollum. But I’ve heard that hiring him for the TV show would be too expensive, so if Gollum is featured (which seems less than likely, given all the other options), they’ll want to cast someone else. If only I could audition. I wouldn’t demand so much pay. Heck, they could pay me in seafood. (Joking. I would actually need to be paid in money.)

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7 years ago

If it’s going to be a Third Age based series,how about the adventures of the Rangers in the North and how they protect various folk/lands against evil? That way, you could include Aragorn and maybe include Elladin and Elrohir who I’ve always wanted to know more about plus poor old Halbarad. That way you could get a lot of back story with the struggles in The North Kingdoms and the Witch King

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Dr. Thanatos
7 years ago

@30 I agree, Elladan and Elrohir need more screen time. I can’t help but feel sorry for them. “Arwen is pretty, Arwen looks like great-grandma, Arwen chose mortality. Arwen, Arwen, Arwen!” 

In fact if you read the forward carefully you will note that the Wonder Twins also chose to stay in Middle-Earth after Elrond departed [and the rule was that when he departed, his children would have to choose which kindred to be counted in]. Again, no one makes a big whoop about their choice.

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7 years ago

@31 While we’re on the subject of Elrond’s family, the character I most wish there was more content written about is Elros. With what we have, he seems to be the first person to ever have the options of either Elf or Man and to choose Man for a reason other than romantic love. (We’re at times led to believe that Earendil would have preferred to be treated as a Man, but did not get a choice.) Why? Who is this guy who has the chance to live forever and thinks that dying and finding out what happens after, with absolutely zero religious textual tradition to give him an idea, is the better option? That would be a great story to kick off the Numenor series I’m continuing to lean towards. I’d even be ok with it being totally fanfic as long as it was really, really good.

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7 years ago

From what I’ve heard, there is a known afterlife and elves envy humans’ ability to go there even as humans envy elves’ immorality. 

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deagol
7 years ago

Drúedain, Pukel Men , Woses 

almost a blank slate here , lots of room for creativity 

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Roland
7 years ago

The Battle of Dagorlad was not “at the foot of Mount Doom”.  Dagorlad wasn’t even in Mordor.  

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Kurt Walker
7 years ago

Istari, Istari!

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7 years ago

@28, Gollum was never what you’d call a nice person and he had nothing like Bilbo and Frodo’s moral grounding but he didn’t  start out evil and there was a part of him  that wanted badly to stop being so and to be free of the Ring. That said he most definitely did kill his best friend for the Ring and he used it persecute his relatives and hunt out secrets to cause trouble. Not even the greatest or the most innocent is immune to the Ring’s influence (excepting Tom Bombadil) but Smeagol doesn’t seem to have even tried.

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Dr. Thanatos
7 years ago

I just remembered this:

https://naulureview.cf/old/review-jewel-of-arwen-pdf-by-marion-zimmer-bradley.html

MZB wrote a short story following the history of the white jewel that Arwen gave to Frodo, tying it to the Steward Boromir, Glorfindel, and the torment of Celebrian (one of the twins bore it on his breast as he rescued mom, “and ever after the image of an Elf warrior clutching a bright gem to his chest brought terror to the Orc folk” [see Sam in Cirith Ungol!].

It’s not canon but it would make an interesting short series.

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Stephen S. Power
7 years ago

1. Bombadil will certainly be played by Billy Crystal.

2. I like Kid Aragorn, starting with his father getting killed in the Ettenmoors with a lifetime of picaresque adventures ahead.

3. I’d also like to see the adventures of Gandalf, the Old Took and a Young Bilbo, perhaps explaining why Gandalf chose Bilbo specifically to be his burglar.

4. Numenor would be great, but would also smack of the Star Wars prequels, given the ending. 

5. Mostly, though, I just want to see the Shire’s version of The Great British Bake Off.

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Thomas Youkel
7 years ago

How about “been there done that”. There are so many other books that could make good series. How about any of Tim Powers books. 

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Dr. Thanatos
7 years ago

From 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rOT4IgyGJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINwCRM8acM

Trailer and full (free) >1 hour production of Aragorn’s parents and young Aragorn!

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anrake
7 years ago

not too interested in any silly tales of late 3rd age stuff.  it has to be some of the great battles or tragedies from Silmarillion.  How great would a 2-3 season telling of the Children of Hurin be? Beren & Luthien? Rise & Fall of Gondolin?

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7 years ago

@33 my take is that even if it’s “known” in a vague sense that there is some kind of afterlife, it’s still a fascinating story to think about someone wanting to go there in the absence of a textually-based religious tradition (or a ritually-based one; we don’t get any indication of an analogue of the Eleusinian Mysteries either, to provide one historical example of a thriving afterlife tradition that probably didn’t have sacred texts). Even our sense of Ilúvatar worship in Númenor suggests a lack of canonical content, with the open-air sacred space lacking architecture (I rather think of the unnamed numinous presence with no built temple mentioned in Aeneid XIII here). Historically, most real people who have longed for an afterlife have longed for a somewhat specific one, with some literary or visual images to help ground the imagination. Tolkien’s Men don’t seem to have anything like that; they might even have less than the Dwarves, who do have myths about the halls of Aulë and their own sacred name for him, as well as a deeply ingrained belief in reincarnation. Maybe I want to write this fanfic (thanks for Tales from the Blessed Realm, despite the sleep they cost me last night reading ALL of them), though I’m working on a Star Wars fanfic right now for NaNoWriMo.

@40’s idea #5: Definitely!!! We already know there should be any entry for seed-cake (which is delicious BTW), and Victoria sponge is definitely possible with only ME ingredients, as well as all the jam-based cakes and puddings. Question: how do you make anything that relies on dried fruit without access to citrus peel, candied or otherwise? Yeah, I’m kinda obsessed with traditional British tea baking. Maybe I want a seedcake later today because I work from home and it’s gonna be a doozy today. . . .

P.S. While I seem to be getting my Classicist on more and more these days, my real identity isn’t Liz Bourke haha. We’re both Classicists, but there’s two of us. MWAHAHAHA.

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7 years ago

@43 My favorite FA storyline would definitely be the Children of Húrin, maybe intercut for tragic contrast with the story of Tuor. The only Dumb Viewer risk would be. . .all the people who would totally cry foul and say that the incest plotline was stolen from GRRM! You know it would happen. . . . (I think we need to coin a name for this phenomenon, maybe “Reverse Plagiarism Fallacy”? The worst part is that it happens with intentional allusions too: whatever you thought of The Shannara Chronicles, I felt really bad for Terry Brooks given all the people who were going to assume he plagiarized the Ellcrys off the Weirwoods. And thanks to the (I think elegant) wording of the prologue to PJ’s Fellowship of the Ring, if Wheel of Time ever gets off the ground without Amazon a lot of people will think the classic opening lines are plagiarized from Jackson. (Plus the vicious debate about whether the first part of the story is plagiarized, but that’s an interesting debate about the line between lazy writing and interesting intertextuality so that’s different.)

Yikes better get back to work. I’ve probably had enough coffee now.

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7 years ago

@44, It is known that the souls of Men pass from the world to join Iluvatar in His Timeless Halls. Being close to the Creator will be naturally perceived as highly desirable by some.

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Tamfang
7 years ago

Quibble: didn’t Thorongil’s errantries come after (and partly because of) meeting Arwen?

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Tom Everett
7 years ago

Ghan-Buri Ghan: the One No-one Remembers.

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7 years ago

@48–he was always very memorable to me! As long as the visual design was done with great care to avoid the “noble savage” mess that Tolkien’s prose does actually skirt, I’d be excited to see something about the Druedain. If the rights are available, “The Faithful Stone” is a well-constructed and unusually tight/brief short story that could be used to good effect.

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Jason Mehmel
7 years ago

Jeff, can you unpack this?

 

“I’m not particularly fond of where the fantasy genre is at, in relation to television (and I realize I may be alone in that)”

 

Not debating it but very curious. I’ve not been current in fantasy for at least a decade so I’m not sure what this means.

mattmcgillvray
7 years ago

Posted this back when the announcement was made, but I think the article had stopped being looked at by that time. (No other comments were made after mine…) So here you all go again.

Just here to say that a Silmarillion anthology would be AMAZING. I think you could have it all take place in a shared universe (obviously) but Beren & Luthien could be a season, Children of Hurin a season, etc. The title sequence could sum up the creation story (think the way that Firefly began each episode) and further dives into the ancient history could be done each season through flashbacks as the story calls for it. First season begins as the Firstborn wake up (a few episodes in Elwë gets lost for his own story, maybe a separate season about Doriath?) and ends when Fëanor sets foot on Middle-earth. Because you know the story ahead of time, you can lock in characters and film their material all at once and just use it as necessary throughout the seasons as need be. The end of the series is the end of the first age. The spin-off show is the history of Númenor, which is more linear (and more GoT-like). Not sure how many seasons it runs for as you may need to invent some material, or deal with the condensed history in one or two seasons. Pay me whenever, Amazon.

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Dr. Thanatos
7 years ago

@52 interestingly Corey Olsen has been hosting a hypothetical Silmarillion tv series project (including what episode frames would look like, music, casting, etc)—available by podcast under the name silmfilm.

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Jason Mehmel
7 years ago

@51, Jeff,

Thanks for at least addressing it somewhat. I think I have a sense of what you’re talking about. Though I can understand not wanting to go down that tangent, I think there’s probably an interesting positive article there… contrasting (but not attacking) the different approaches, as a way of indicating how exciting those differences would be!

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Laura
7 years ago

@18 Absolutely NOT Keira Knightley for Luthien. Oh my goodness that would be awful. She is way too goofy and is definitely not beautiful enough (she’s pretty, but not stunning). Plus, then everyone would probably be saying Orlando Bloom should be Beren and that’s just … no. No no no no no no.

Sorry everyone, I just finished reading The Silmarillion and it’s way too amazing for subpar actors and awful dialogue.
Really, unless we got someone who was really, really into Tolkien to write the script, and someone with a brain to cast the characters, I have about zero hope for any tv show based on anything Tolkien wrote. The Hobbit was an awful mess, and I hate the modern fantasy movie aesthetic (yes, GoT, I’m looking so hard at you).

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7 years ago

@@@@@ 56. Absolutely agree with your sentiments.

Been a lifetime fan of Tolkien and whilst I could admire Jackson’s depiction of LotR, I gave up on The Hobbit with all that nonsense of the romance between elf and dwarf.

The genre of film or tv just isn’t able to handle the sheer breadth of Tolkien’s world

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7 years ago

@58 Honestly the more I think about this, and also read Mr. LaSala’s Silmarillion blog series, I’m just not convinced that drama in any conventional sense is the right medium to adapt the Silmarillion at all. If there were ever an adaptation I’d imagine an unstaged cantata. The story just doesn’t conform to modern (in the sense of everything from Shakespeare onwards counts as “modern”) narrative norms.

So my final vote is that I want to see the rise and fall of Númenor if this happens at all. Struggling to come up with a good fancast: it would depend so heavily on getting a great Ar-Pharazôn who resists the temptation to chew the scenery and foam at the mouth. Plus a strong, mystically-oriented Tar-Míriel and a very appealing, subtle Annatar who doesn’t practically scream “BTW I’m REALLY SAURON [EVIL LAUGH!]” at any opportune moment while no one on screen is looking.

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smudgeon
7 years ago

@@@@@45, if I recall correctly from the afterword to 3001, Arthur C. Clarke used the term “the trans-temporal crime of pre-cognitive plagiarism” when noting the similarities between the ending of his novel and that of the movie Independence Day.

Your suggested term is much snappier, though!

My personal hope would be The Children of Hurin – a more distinct break tonally from the movies and currently my favourite Tolkien story. Epic, tragic, kind of funny in bits, devastating in others, and a chance to view the Eldar and Edain on somewhat equal terms (plus: Glaurung). Amazon could really make a mark if they did it well.

However, I am sure we’ll end up with something more closely linked to Lord of The Rings. Given the money involved, Amazon won’t want to take too much of a risk. But if they do it well, I’m not too fussed.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

59, it’s already a story!

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zooeyhall
6 years ago

A season on the Kin Stife.  The great civil war in Gondor.

A great political and action story, very much a mixture of Game of Thrones, The West Wing, and Machiavelli.

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Keleborn Telperion
6 years ago

I’d actually like to see them do an animated version of LOTR taking enough episodes to tell the complete story, staying far away from the Peter Jackson interpretation, and spending enough to create the best animation the world has ever seen.

I think this would make good economic sense, as it would position Amazon to take over the Disney market.

There are stories from the Silmarillion that I would very much like to see adapted to live action series – if only I could believe there are actors, directors, and writers in the world capable of doing this well. My experiences with GOT and The Walking Dead persuade me that there aren’t.