In the earliest tales, Robin Hood was many things—gambler, fighter, braggart, gentleman, con artist, master of disguise—but he was never a nobleman.
Despite scholarly fights and centuries of material to choose from, no one has ever agreed on why this change became so popular. It may have been a desire to link the legendary bandit with a real live person (such as Fulk fitz Warin or Robert Hod), or fear that the poor folks of the world might read stories of Robin’s origin and start a rebellion of their own, or simply the novelty of a man displaced and still carrying on despite it all. No matter the cause, the version of Robin that we come across most often is a figure of privilege. He’s an earl or a member of the landed gentry. He’s in the forest for now, while he waits for the rightful king and the restoration of his lands and position. With very few exceptions, modern Robin Hood stories are about a rich dude who is briefly less rich, and thankfully doesn’t hate poor people.
Moreover, Robin Hood’s position as a “hero for the people” has always been one of the most aggressively contested aspects of his character. Over the centuries, the tale has been rewritten and reinterpreted countless times, leading to confusion about Robin’s true origins and motivations. The question of which aspects to favor when piecing together the long arc of the tale’s history are never in agreement, in part because there is so little information about the earliest stories. When you add politics in to the mix, things get even more awkward: one scholar contends (J.C. Holt, 1982) that the gentry are responsible for keeping the story alive and growing, so Robin Hood cannot possibly be a figure of plebeian rebellion; another scholar (Jeffrey L. Singman, 1998) insists that Robin Hood is a subversive figure, and an enemy of serfdom and feudalism. Where some see a figure of dissent and resistance, others find a vehement enabler of the status quo who just likes a good laugh.
When it comes right down to it, the root of this constant argument is simple: people want the outlaw of Sherwood Forest to belong to them, to their own ideologies. Following Ridley Scott’s Robin Hood, there were arguments that this pseudo-historical Robin would have been a member of the Tea Party (Jared Keller, 2010), or that he was clearly a libertarian ( , 2012). During the era of McCarthyism, Robin Hood was banned from textbooks (Alison Kysia, 2013) in the United States for “promoting communism” with its rob-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor schtick. If you were to ask me over friendly pints at a bar, I’d tell you without hesitation that Robin Hood and the Merry Men in Sherwood Forest are a gay socialist utopia that the world needs to embrace. But none of these interpretations can encompass the entirety of the legend. It is simply too vast and too long-lived.
But in recent memory, this is the story we are most likely to recognize:
There is a band that lives in Sherwood Forest and they rob from the rich and give to the poor.
They do this because the good king is away, and his little brother was left to rule in his place. The prince is an idiot and he surrounds himself with monstrous men, and he demands everything of his people. He taxes his citizenry bare and tells them that it is good for them. He sits on their gold like a great dragon and portends to virtue while they starve. He ignores their pleas for help and acts surprised when there is unrest in his country.
Never fear! Everything will be all right. A dispossessed nobleman is here to stop the prince and his lackeys. He brought friends to aid him in this national hour of need.
That tendency toward making Robin Hood a nobleman who robs from people just like him—it smudges the image up, like grit on a lens. The very idea has a disingenuous sheen to it, or worse, a heavy aura of wishing thinking: Wouldn’t it be great if there was one super nice wealthy person who would make the rest of the wealthy people hand over their money and take care of the poor and needy around them? Wouldn’t it be even greater if he could alleviate them of said wealth in a comical fashion so that the concept of class warfare and potential revolution didn’t seem nearly so serious? Hollywood is failing us, and so are a multitude of current adaptations. It’s akin to making every female Disney lead a princess; every Robin Hood must come with a title and a patch of land that a mean sheriff or haughty prince can commandeer. It’s lazy storytelling, and worse for the fact that it has nothing to do with origin of the figure.
Contextually, the root of Robin Hood’s character and popular elements of his story come from a likely multitude of sources as the legend was being built over the 13th and 14th centuries. Robin Hood was a member of the middle class at a time when chivalry was the rule of the day—and civil unrest was, too. The earliest known stories contain no record of him robbing the rich and giving over the plunder to peasants, but they do make mention of him being a “good” outlaw who helped poor men. He became king of the May Day festivities by 15th century, where Maid Marion also became a popular mainstay of his story. The Historia Majoris Brittaniae of 1521 was responsible for tying Robin Hood rather permanently to King Richard and the Crusades. The earliest known source that mentions his nobility is Anthony Munday’s The Downfall and The Death of Robert Earl of Huntington, a series of plays published in 1601.
Still, nobility was not a common feature of Robin Hood stories until Joseph Ritson published a work called Robin Hood: A collection of all the Ancient Poems Songs and Ballads now extant, relative to the celebrated Outlaw in 1795. In this work, which attempted to reassert the medieval version of the figure (who had been somewhat displaced by more comical ballads in the 18th century), Ritson did some dubious detective work into the potential truth of Robin Hood as a living human being, concluding that he was a real man named Robert Fitzooth. Pointedly, Robert Fitzooth was not a real man—he was likely an invention of William Stukeley, who created Fitzooth and his family tree for Paleographica Britannica (1746). As we can see, the evidence Ritson used was beyond wobbly; it seems that in an effort to become to foremost Robin Hood scholar in the world, he was determined to make the outlaw real by any means necessary, even citing fiction (such as Munday’s plays) in his argument for Robin Hood’s historical presence. Even so, his work is still one of the most influential in the character’s history, and Ritson’s pal Sir Walter Scott referenced this mighty tome in creating his own version of Robin Hood for Ivanhoe—itself an incredibly popular and influential book.
Ritson’s version of Robin Hood was meant to be a hero of the people, and Ritson himself was an advocate of the principles espoused by the French Revolution—obviously not very forgiving of the wealthy and privileged classes. But Ritson was unlikely to find records dating back to the 12th century for his “real life” Robin Hood among the annals of peasants or yeoman—and perhaps this is the key. Ritson’s champion of the common man became an aristocrat not because Ritson desired it, but because he was determined to offer up a historical Robin Hood, and records of the gentry were the only places where he could even attempt to establish lineage that others would take seriously. And though most earlier versions of the story did not grant Robin of Locksley (or of anywhere else) a sheen of nobility, this was the backstory that stuck. Films and television and many modern revisions, they can’t shake this rewrite, no matter how hard they try.
Most of the Robin Hoods you know embody this error. Errol Flynn is a nobleman and a Saxon fighting against the Normans. Douglas Fairbanks is the Earl of Huntingdon, who asks to return home from the Crusades in order to take the throne back from the king’s evil brother. Kevin Costner returns from the Crusades to find his father dead and his estate destroyed, but King Richard still blesses his marriage to Marian. Cary Elwes finds Loxley Hall repossessed when he arrives back in England. Russell Crowe pretends to be a nobleman throughout his misadventure because the concept is so ingrained that even a “realistic” version of the tale must abide. Television series Robin of Sherwood (1984) features two distinct noble born versions of Robin, and the BBC’s Robin Hood (2006) features their own Earl of Huntingdon running the Merry Men into Nottingham and back. Even Disney’s dashing fox is likely to be a nobleman—it’s highly unlikely that he would have been Marian’s childhood sweetheart if they weren’t both of the upper crust.
And still we must ask—why?
Why is it more appealing, more comfortable, more exciting to imagine Robin Hood as a rich fellow who forgoes his wealth to fight against a corrupt system? Why are we taken in and placated by a nobleman of charity and occasional good humor?
The truth is, our fictional halls of fame are lousy with this figure, this exact prototype. Think carefully and you will recognize him well: He is Batman. He is the Scarlet Pimpernel. He is Tony Stark. He is literally Green Arrow because that character was very obviously based on Robin Hood. Modern fiction wants us, needs us, to believe that this hero exists. And what’s more, we are not meant to merely tolerate this figure—we are supposed to love him. To demand more of him. To feel safer because he exists.
Which is ironic, given the unconscionable imbalance in the distribution of wealth and resources that we see today, and the incalculable greed of those who are lucky enough to have it.
Because the truth is far more painful to reckon with. There are a few figures of incredible means who go out of their way to provide for everyone else. Some may give to charity, create programs to get much-needed resources into the hands of those who need them, offer the world more energy-efficient cars. But they are not here to save us by any stretch of imagination. They do not hit the street day and night to fight crime, stop oppression, and keep monsters at bay. So we have created a fictional crew, like a table setting, to be laid out whenever this reality becomes too much. The Good Wealthy Men set. They have money and still care what happens to the destitute. Thank goodness someone does.
But Robin’s Hood real origin as an average man is the true inspirational plot, and one that likely brought comfort to the masses for centuries before that retrofitted narrative took hold. When the Forest Laws were still intact in England and hunting for food without paying a hefty fee could land you in prison, Robin Hood was there to stop the sheriff and his men from hauling you in. When chivalry was still the code that people were expected to abide by, Robin Hood was gallant and kind to those who needed aid. When the Peasant Revolt of 1381 was still fresh in the mind of the populace, Robin Hood showed people that there was hope beyond a life of serfdom and servitude, beyond poverty and isolation.
In Sherwood Forest, we look out for one another and no one is king.
The legend of Robin Hood may have been rewritten and overwritten by nobility, but it was a tale meant for everyone. Ridding ourselves of this ridiculous alteration not only revives the source material, it makes the story matter again. Robin Hood as the trust fund baby who decides to go live in the woods to prove a point is just another ad for the virtue of simple living. It’s Silicon Valley millionaires raising their own chickens, and start up gurus claiming to be as accessible as their low-level employees, and financially sound power couples making the choice to live according to tenets of minimalism because they can afford to do so. There is nothing genuine or meaningful about it.
We deserve heroes who are doing real work to alleviate the suffering of others. Robin Hood of the gentry has had his day. He’s had a couple of centuries, in fact. If we’re going to keep telling this story over and over (and we will, because mythology tends to work that way), we may as well cherrypick the best pieces.
Sherwood Forest is ours. No one can wall it off, or chase us from it, or brand it with their name in big block letters. We are outlaws with bow and arrows, with rowdy friends, with disguises and songs. Robin Hood belongs to us all, not to a privileged few. It’s time he was returned.
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“Emmet Asher-Perrin is going to go have a quarterstaff fight on a bridge. “
Actually, it’s a buck and a quarter quarterstaff. To reference one of my favorite Robins.
“I love you. More than all you know. I love you more than children. More than fields I’ve planted with my hands. I love you more than morning prayers or peace or food to eat. I love you more than sunlight, more than flesh or joy, or one more day. I love you… more than God.”
– Audrey Hepburn as Marian
I wrote a paper about Robin Hood movies when I was in grad school, which posited the idea that Robin Hood in the films is usually a reflection of his times, inspired by the words of Robin McKinley in her afterword to The Outlaws of Sherwood. Your article touches upon that idea in a few places, as well. The USA still retains vestiges of its Puritan origins, in which wealth signifies the grace of God. Thus, a hero like Robin Hood must be wealthy (or have been wealthy). Just another layer to the legend.
In the end, I think Robin Hood, like King Arthur, is so far buried under retellings and adaptations through the centuries that we’ll never really know the whole truth unless someone invents time travel. As for the facts, would it really help to know if the real Rob-in-the-hood was a dispossessed yeoman who ended up leading a few similarly distressed outlaws in Lincolnshire instead of Nottinghamshire? Or that Arthur was just a local warlord in post-Roman Devonshire who won a few battles and ended up ruling a slightly larger kingdom than his neighbors?
What’s important, I think, is that, unlike the cold hard facts, whatever they may be, legends can be rewritten every time. As long as the nobility (the rich) are hiring the storytellers, you’ll find a Robin Hood connected somehow to the nobility, even if just at the end of the tale, when Robin is rewarded with a title by King Richard. But that doesn’t stop you from writing your own no-nobles-allowed “gay socialist utopia that the world needs to embrace.” Go for it. Change the legend in the ways you want. That’s what the truth of Robin Hood really is.
@1 “Ho! Ha-ha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Hah! Thrust!” *booooiiing*
Or, it could have been as the result of some BIG misunderstandings of “Robin’s” motives.
::Clears throat::
“He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor
Stood up to the man and gave him what for
Our love for him now ain’t hard to explain
The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!”
I’m not sure the animated Disney Robin Hood has to be construed as noble-born. It’s certainly possible that Marian and Robin became childhood sweethearts urchin-and-royalty style. I think there’s enough narrative precedent that it’s believable. And it would have happened under the reign of Richard or Richard’s father, which in this story would have fallen under the “good old times” conceit.
Man, I loved that movie when I was a kid. Thanks for reminding me of it, and for giving me an excuse to give it an anti-bourgeois rewatch!
“Television series Robin of Sherwood (1984) features two distinct noble born versions of Robin…”
That’s one distinct noble-born Robin.
The series starts with Robin of Loxley, who is a free man or, as Gisburne never tires of shouting, a serf.
The second Robin to answer the call is an Earl’s son – deliberately going for both versions of the legend, but with Robin’s band initially very distrusting of Robert of Huntingdon precisely because he’s nobility and not one of them.
One of my favourite retellings is Stephen Lawhead’s King Raven trilogy, which moves Robin Hood from the long since tamed and open Sherwood Forest in Nottingham to the much more wild and dangerous forests of the Welsh Borders and sets the story in the late eleventh century, a century after the Norman Conquest and the Battle of Hastings.
Instead of fighting for Richard and the Crusades, he’s two centuries earlier fighting for the Welsh against the Norman March Barons.
Still a relative nobleman though, he’s the heir to Elfael, one of the Welsh Cantrevs being invaded.
Great article. I had no idea, really, that Robin was not originally a nobleman in the legends.
@8, I’m coming from the opposite angle. The idea of Robin Hood as a disguised nobleman is news to me. Obviously I wasn’t paying much attention these last two hundred years or so.
@1, 4 “Yikes and away!”
Social Banditry.
@9
For me, him being an archer is the giveaway. A bow was a peasant’s weapon in war and hunting.
Robin Hood is like other folk and fairy tale characters as well as vampires and other beings that keep being reinvented. Each version is about the time of the retelling more than it is about the character. In other words, Robin is a mirror to those telling the tales.
@7, Robin of Sherwood writers got kudoes from me for not only knowing who was Earl of Huntingdon in the late twelfth century but knowing he was closely related to the royal house of Scotland. David Earl of Huntingdon and Prince of Scotland (1152-1219) actually had a son named Robert who disappears from history before succeeding to the title.
@12 Actually no…Edward III in 1363 issued a declaration: “Whereas the people of our realm, rich and poor alike, were accustomed formerly in their games to practise archery – whence by God’s help, it is well known that high honour and profit came to our realm, and no small advantage to ourselves in our warlike enterprises… that every man in the same country, if he be able-bodied, shall, upon holidays, make use, in his games, of bows and arrows… and so learn and practise archery.”[Emphasis mine]
The yew Longbow (the weapon of Robin) was the equivalent of a strategic weapon whereby England dominated most of the actual battles of The Hundred Years’ War(as opposed to sieges, ambushes, uprisings, and raids by irked nobles): Crecy, Poitiers, and Agincourt. Soccer was briefly outlawed because it kept folks from practicing archery.
A hoe or sickle was a peasant weapon.
Ms. Asher-Perrin’s article is wonderful though, especially in its trenchant observation of the modern poseurs taking advantage of the tropes of Robin Hood as Noble.
In my opinion, the very best adaptation of the Robin Hood mythos was the BBC children’s show “Maid Marian and her Merry Men”. In this, Marian is the brains behind the group, and Robin is a mere (incompetent and cowardly) common tailor (with dreams of being noble once) that likes to make the costumes they wear – He is identified as “Robin Hood” when they are helping the village in cloaks the first time they meet the Sheriff of Nottingham, and Marian reminds him they want to remain anonymous – “Robin! Hood!”.
The most accurate part was when King Richard came back from the crusades. All through the series, Prince John was a gross, cruel and nasty ruler who was squeezing his subjects for all they were worth. So, of course, the villagers were all waiting for Richard to return. And when he did, he was just as bad, if not worse, than John!
@16 Robin of Kensington will always be my Robin “Hood”. It does have the most realistic Richard the Lionheart in fiction, that is true. The real Richard was just another unpleasant thug, who barely set foot in England throughout his reign, and who treated the people like a giant piggybank to fund his crusades.
@EAP
Oh you had to watch “Up The Chastity Belt” too, did you? Sympathies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48jf6hHYRAs
In practice a bow was a yeoman’s weapon, the preserve of the class who had time to train and no masters to deny them weapons, but still couldn’t afford swords and full armour.
And yes, Loxley in Robin of Sherwood is very much a commoner. His father is apparently a local authority figure, maybe a reeve, and his adoptive father a miller, but far from nobility.
I feel the prototype of the rich hero fighting for everyone is important to retain, because it gives the generation reading about them or seeing them on a screen a role model, something to aspire to if they find themselves in similar circumstances. I don’t think I’m alone in saying that I would turn myself into Batman or Iron Man given the means and the opportunity.
Howard Pyle’s Robin Hood in 1883, Rosemary Sutcliff’s in 1950 and Robin McKinley’s in 1988 are all yeomen. And in an obscure 1971 German retelling by one Brigitte Helmstaedt I own he’s the chief forester’s son. With the exception of McKinley, these are all children’s books. Is this perhaps a difference between the two kinds of modern Robin Hood stories – that he’s a nobleman in the films and a yeoman in the retellings for children?
Let’s not leave Zorro off the list of Robin Hoodic heroes.
Robin McKinley’s “Outlaws of Sherwood” is my One True Robin Hood, and he’s no nobleman. Also a very reluctant hero.
Then, of course, there’s the Leverage crew…
Do they? AFAIK, they are mostly fighting a corrupt royal official. Not quite the same thing. But I am not surprised that the idea of Robin being a nobleman took off. People are always going to be more interested in the doings of the rich and powerful, than the poor and insignificant.
Once upon a time when things were rotten/ Not just food but also kings were rotten/ Everybody kicked the peasants/ Things were bad and that ain’t good/ Then came Robin Hood!
Soon a band of Merry Men he’d gotten/ They wore outfits made of plain green cotton/ Helping victims was their business/ And boy, oh boy, was business good – / Good for Robin Hood!
They laughed, they loved, they fought, they drank/ They jumped a lot of fences/ They robbed the rich, gave to the poor – / Except what they kept for expenses!
So when other legends are forgotten/ We’ll remember back when things were rotten/ Yay for Robin Hood!
Robin of Locksley in “Robin of Sherwood” wasn’t nobility, he was a poor, free man, or, according to Gisburne, a “serf.” He’s also my favorite Robin of all time, both for his vigilante aspects and his ties to the forest gods.
I’ve also been working on a Robin Hood retelling that’s futuristic and has a band of “Merry Men” that are all women of color. I’ve been very inspired by the current US political climate. Robin Hood should always be a changeable figure, that represents the poor and oppressed, because that’s what draws us to the story again and again.
Rich or poor, nobleman or not, I don’t care either way, as long as the hero fights against corruption.
Great essay. For better or worse, my touchstone Robin will always be Errol Flynn, who spoke treason so “Fluently!”
With Daffy’s “Yoicks and away!” version coming in a close second.
Currently watching (after seeing it referenced in another Tor.com article) the 1991 film with Patrick Bergin and Uma Thurman, which hews to the Earl of Huntingdon version of the story.
And here’s my favorite recording of one of the Robin Hood ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4k1vXixwY
Robin Hood: The poor are going to be absolutely thrilled. Have you met them at all?
Randall: Who?
Robin Hood: The poor.
Randall: The poor?
Robin Hood: Oh you must meet them. I’m sure you’ll like them. Of course they haven’t got two pennies to rub together but that’s because they’re poor.
@23/ad: “AFAIK, they are mostly fighting a corrupt royal official.”
That depends on which Robin Hood tale you read. But “taking from the rich to give to the poor” is what they are most famous for.
Anyway, this was an interesting article for me. It made me realise why I’ve never liked any Robin Hood film except the Disney cartoon – just like Robin McKinley’s, “my Robin Hood has always been a yeoman” (quoting from the afterword of The Outlaws of Sherwood).
How about Robin Hood’s brief appearance in The Last Unicorn? He is only a legend, but the reality of being a thief waiting in the woods for targets to rob is so miserable that Captain Culley’s entire band desperately races after him, yearning to truly be like that.
A piece of folklore evolves over time, and I think there’s a reason why certain alterations tend to stick – so the original version of Robin Hood was just a class war, in which the poor robbed from the rich (because, you know, they were rich) only to become more nuanced over time. There are two later qualifications – firstly, context: King John and his minions aren’t just rich, they’re rich AND wicked. Secondly, Robin of Locksley himself – because, hey, not ALL nobles are bad, yer man Robin being a case in point.
@32/Aonghus Fallon: Maid Marian is also a later addition, and so is the idea of Robin Hood as a philanthropist (there is an early ballad where he lends money to an impoverished knight, but no “giving to the poor” on a regular basis). On the other hand, the early ballads contained an anti-clergy element that seems to have disappeared.
I really don’t think that the nobleman Robin Hood has ever truly replaced the yeoman. It seems to me that both traditions still go on. The comments in this thread seem to bear this out.
Maybe a geographical thing too? American audiences are going to identify with a man of the people who stands up to the toffs, as are the Aussies (e.g. Russell Crowe) whereas in the UK TV series, he was a disenfranchised nobleman. A lot of English and US fantasy literature (in fairness I’m talking old school – I’m 54) follows a similar dichotomy – Conan is a barbarian, but Moorcock’s S&S heroes invariably have posh titles etc, etc.
Wow, what I find most disconcerting is people actually getting upset because it may be right or wrong of who he is. I just clicked on this because of the caption. Rather he be noble, rich, poor, thief or otherwise. Fictional or real, what difference does it make. None of the people commenting has lived in that time era and it doesn’t or hasn’t effected real life, unless you actually see Robin Hood as someone to emulate. With all the going on in the “REAL WORLD”, to write a paper which doesn’t involve literacy classes in college is quite disturbing. Rebuke my comments if you like.
Interesting article, and as far as the movies go it makes sense, but one of the more influential tales in literature — certainly in the last century or so — was Howard Pyle’s marvelous The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood, which was absolutely the common man made good story. Robin Hood was no nobleman, but a “stout woodsman” and Saxon (which reinforces the idea that he was a common man, not being Norman). King Richard ennobled him later, after returning from the Crusades, and in fact in Pyle’s book being ennobled kind of ruined Robin ultimately. I would note that he’s more explicitly a Saxon in T. H. White’s The Once and Future King as well.
For anyone who hasn’t read it, I strongly recommend Pyle’s work, which has his terrific illustrations as well as ripping good tales.
The Robin Hood I love is an animated fox. I don’t expect any actual truth in the telling of the tale, I just want to hang out with Lady Cluck and sass some rhinos.
Stories about a band of poachers, feasting on the King’s deer and robbing the government’s tax men to give wealth back to the public…
Of *course* the gentry would recast the Merry Men as being led by one of their own–it’s the original astroturfing.
On this side of the pond I remember ‘Bows Against the Barons’ (Robin’s antecedents are unspecified but he’s an equal opportunities kind of guy) and Antonia Frazier’s ‘Robin Hood’. Well, I remember reading them!
I did see Disney’s animated version more recently for the second time, and thought it was pretty innovative – ie, taking an essentially English story and turning it into a kind of American folk tale, something that just confused me as a kid.
My favorite Robin Hood was Richard Greene in the 1950s. All of the actors in that series were great. Available on CDs.
I remember watching yet another TV series which ran for about 6 seasons in the late 50’s called “The Adventures of Robin Hood” starring Richard Greene and featuring Paul Eddington (later famous for Good Neighbors and Yes, Minister) as Will Scarlett with such luminous guest stars as Donald Pleasence (as Prince John), Edward Mulhare, Patrick Troughton (later the second Dr. Who), and Leo McKern. And most surprising to me was that 17 of its episodes were written by Ring Lardner, Jr. (two-time Oscar winner for MASH and Woman of the Year), and and five of its episodes were directed by Lindsay Anderson (best known for the movie, “If …”).
I recall viewing this with as much rapture as an 8-year old could summon, and I do distinctly remember that it included Robin’s noble roots. I think ultimately the blame has to fall on Sir Walter Scott for his popularization of the stories in Ivanhoe, which brings me to the famous quote about Scott from Mark Twain:
“Then comes Sir Walter Scott with his enchantments, and by his single might checks this wave of progress, and even turns it back; sets the world in love with dreams and phantoms; with decayed and swinish forms of religion; with decayed and degraded systems of government; with the sillinesses and emptinesses, sham grandeurs, sham gauds, and sham chivalries of a brainless and worthless long-vanished society. He did measureless harm; more real and lasting harm, perhaps, than any other individual that ever wrote.”
Ultimately, in that very long passage from Life on the Mississippi, he lays the blame for the Civil War at the feet of Scott, which I suspect most would agree is going just a bit over the edge. Nevertheless, I feel pretty certain we’d have had so many nobleman iterations of Robin Hood without him.
In @41 I left “Not” out of the last sentence. It should have read, “I feel pretty certain we’d not have had so many nobleman iterations of Robin Hood without him.”
@40 great minds clearly think alike!!! <g>
People seem to not know about the old Danny Kaye movie, The Court Jester. A very young Angela Lansbury is in it too along with the Mother from Mary Poppins. It also includes a Robin Hood that Danny Kaye is trying to help. Either The Court Jester and R.H.: Men in Tights spoof the same Robin Hood films, or Men in Tights spoofs the Court Jester with a few of the sword fighting scenes. I have not seen the Errol Flynn films to compare. For lovers of Men in Tights, you must give the Court Jester a chance with its slapstick comedy and comedic play of words.
To further complicate things, there is evidence that there may well have been two separate Robin Hoods and also the name or a play on the name was recorded for other outlaws in history so it is very possible that even directly conflicting stories have grains of truth to them and were simply about different people.
@41, I’m pretty sure Walter Scott’s Robin Hood is a hardy Saxon Yeoman.
@44, I remember The Court Jester! Once seen it’s impossible to forget.
I own a very old book (late 1800’s, early 1900’s, it is undated) that is called Robin Hood, retold. No author listed. In that book, Robin is a Yeoman archer who is outlawed for interfering with the actions of the local sheriff. He starts out alone in the forest, but gradually gathers together a band of former bandits in the forest who all pledge to follow him. Those who don’t agree to follow him he hunts down and either kills or chases them out of the forest. As the Sheriff adds additional taxes to those levied by the king, Robin begins ambushing the tax collectors and returning most of the money to the peasants it was taken from. As a yeoman, he is familiar with all the local nobility, and had been a playmate to Marian when they were both children.
The latter half of the book has Robin collecting money from nobles who refuse to donate towards King Richard’s ransom by robbing them and their homes, then sending half of it to help pay the ransom. When King Richard returns, he pardons Robin for his actions towards helping pay the ransom. A pardon revoked by John after Richard’s death, at which time Robin returns to the wood, and his wife Marian retreats to a convent. He is later betrayed during one of his visits to Marian, and murdered. The ending is of Robin firing and arrow and telling Little John to bury him where his arrow lands.
The version in this was interesting to me because it had things in it I had never seen in any other version. I tried to track down more information about it, but was never able to do more than figure out a possible publication date of 1890-1905. There is so little information in the book about who had retold these tales, who published the book, and what the source for them was.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned Jennifer Roberson’s Lady of the Forest from 1992. It is told from Marian’s perspective and Robin is nobility and there is a lot of Norman/Saxon tension. I need to reread it, but it was one of the favorites of my youth!
# 47 Sharon. The book you mention sounds alot like “The Adventures of Robin Hood.” My copy only listed the name Robin Hood on the cover. It was written by Howard Pyle and was one of the first books I ever owned. I think I was 10 when my mother gave it to me as a Christmas present.
@47/Sharon: Are you sure about the ending? Because that is the plot of the ballad about Robin Hood’s death, only the prioress isn’t Marian, she’s Robin’s cousin. I used to think that the 1976 film Robin and Marian was the only story that merged the two into one character.
Anyway, if the book is so old, there may be a free e-book version around. Could you post its first sentence? Perhaps we can find it on the Internet.
@49/Andre: I don’t think that’s the one. Howard Pyle hardly ever mentions Marian.
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This looks like it might be your book, @47 Sharon.
http://www.read.gov/books/robin_hood.html
Edited to add link!
@47 Sharon, is this it? First published around 1930:
Robin Hood Retold & The Men of the Greenwood, from Goldsmith Publishing, no author listed.
There are some pictures of the interior, which may be helpful for identification purposes.
Edit: WorldCat credits Henry Gilbert as the author, and says that multiple editions were published between 1912 and 1985.
joanna @44:
People seem to not know about the old Danny Kaye movie, The Court Jester. A very young Angela Lansbury is in it too along with the Mother from Mary Poppins. It also includes a Robin Hood that Danny Kaye is trying to help.
Said character is called the Black Fox, if I remember correctly. Of course, there’s another Robin-Hood-ish connection, in that The Court Jester also features Basil Rathbone as a baddie, who fights Danny Kaye in what is, in its own way, one of the better sword fights in the movies. (Apparently Kaye had never trained at sword-fighting, but was such a good mimic he was able to keep up with Rathbone.)
(“Get it?” “Got it.” “Good.”)
@8 Mayhem – the late eleventh century isn’t a century after the Conquest, as the Conquest itself was in the latter half of the eleventh century.
@57
Arrgh, you’re right. I was moving around the sentences and meant to write “just after the Norman Conquest”.
Amazing how often you can look at something wrong and not see it.
What fascinates me is how adaptable the Robin Hood tale is: you can develop it in all these different ways, as in the long list of variations above, and yet it’s recognizably the same story. (Although there may still be a breaking point — stretch the story too far and it may snap.)
Rick
Can’t believe no one has mentioned Parke Godwin’s reinterpretation in “Sherwood”, 1991, and “Robin and the King”, 1993. Really excellent re-telling that captured an historical truth: Englishmen, whether noble or common, considered themselves “free men” with rights, whereas others, especially the French, were thought by the English to be merely feudal serfs. Godwin sets his tale just after William of Normandy had defeated Harold Godwinson at Hastings in 1066. Godwin’s “Robin” fights for the rule of law, rather than feudalism’s complicated system of obligation/protection. As such, this isn’t a tale of proletariat vs. bourgeoisie, as much as some leftists would like to interpret it. After all, Robin doesn’t rob to enrich himself, he is simply returning property to the people it had been stolen from by the “government”. Much of the tension, is created by the odd notion that the Saxons refuse to be treated as a conquered people by the Norman French. Indeed, the Duke of Normandy and his heirs find themselves forced to give in to local laws, customs, and rights, and are often bewildered at the refusal of the Saxon “louts” to realize they are beaten.
All in all, two very well-written volumes that challenge one to think about what it means to be a man with God-given rights.
@59/Bubba: I doubt that anyone has ever seen Robin Hood as a “tale of proletariat vs. bourgeoisie”.
Scott’s Ivanhoe Robin Hood is famous for being one of the few non-nobility Robin Hoods of the 19th century.
@@@@@54. bibliobeque Unless mine is a different version, no, the cover is completely different. The front has nothing at all on it, is red,and the spine simply says Robin Hood in small black letters. The title page has Robin Hood, and in the bottom right says Retold. It is in storage right now, but I don’t remember there being a listed publisher.
@@@@@49. Andre No, I have the Howard Pyle version and though there are similarities, this one has several differences.
@@@@@51. JanaJansen I am pretty sure. The book is in storage so it can’t be accessed right now. (I have around 10K books, and no room to keep all of them handy at any one time)
@@@@@53. Simka again, not unless mine is a different edition. Solid red cover on mine.
@64/secuster: Oh, now I really want to know which book it is.
The Henry Gilbert looks promising. Ebay lists many different editions with different titles and covers in different colours, including red. Some of them are called “Robin Hood Retold”. There’s a recent edition available on Amazon where the author writes in a preface that he has not only retold some of the older ballads, but “also thought out other tales about Robin”. That could explain the things never seen in any other version.
Great article with valuable insights. Love my old Robins, including S.Lawhead’s version, a great read. Maybe the Good Wealthy Men each suffered a traumatic event that reset their thinking: Bruce Wayne witnessing his parent’s murder, Earl of Locksley losing everything to an unjust act of authority, Tony Stark with a bum heart, crappy attitude, and dead parents responding to overwhelming circumstances.
I think these are all gimmicks, of course, but they do provide some psychological starting point for why the rich boy might have had it with authority of which he was once a future member .
@@@@@66. JanaJansen I think you are right! I remember reading an unsigned forward that mentioned the source of the tales as the ballads of Robin Hood and other tales. So you may have finally given me the author of my book. The date came from a seller of old books who based his date estimate on the type of binding and cover.
@25 – I don’t know if it’s a quote in the show, but it’s incorrect. A serf, by definition, is not a “free man” – he is beholden to the lord of the manor. He farms the lord’s land and owes him his labour – he doesn’t choose where or how he labours.
A yeoman (or, earlier, a franklin) is a person of the peasant class who owns their own land or who is some kind of official. They could be quite rich or quite poor.
@69
In the scene referred to, Gisborne calls Robin a serf and when Robin objects that he is a free man he gets the reply:
“You’re a serf if I say you’re a serf.”
(quoted from memory)
It was a line series creator and chief writer Richard Carpenter liked as it also popped up in another series of his, Smuggler, spoken by the same actor.
@68/secuster: All thanks to bibliobeque’s comment #54! I’ve ordered the book myself now and am looking forward to reading it.
I noted that #21 mentioned Zorro, and I was surprised to see his name left out of the list as he’s the direct link between the Pimperrnel and Batman. More to the point, as has been noted in the discussion here and in the article Robin often HAS been of low birth, and when he’s a nobleman he’s generally been dispossessed of his wealth and lands, if not even his title and name in some cases. The Pimpernel, Zorro, and Batman, on the other hand, are ALL born in to wealth/privilege/power AND they retain it throughout their stories, hiding behind another identity to maintain it. So in that regard it sets them pretty far apart.
It’s arguable that in the versions where Robin is noble losing everything lends him to find commonality with, well, the commoners and see the injustice of the system, inspiring him to revolt against it, not just to get back what was his but to change things for the better.
What can I say? There are people, as we all know, of humble or indifferent origins, flawed and scarred, but with great courage, intelligence and character, who touch the lives of others and give unstintedly to all. Even in this day of media glare and globalisation, especially in this day of media glare and globalisation, their numbers may well be diminishing, but their legends and legacies still remain hidden from public domain, from the Establishment, and known to only the privileged. Perhaps, the King of Thieves was just one of these rare men. And hence, though the attractiveness of it will endure, it is important that we know his real story and not let the other side appropriate it.
“He is Batman. He is the Scarlet Pimpernel. He is Tony Stark. He is literally Green Arrow”
He is also Harry Potter, he is also Luke Skywalker, he is also all the X-Men.
They are who they are because they are born that way. Magic, the Force and mutant powers are just the concept of nobility given a very slight twist into something that manifests more overtly. As this post argues very well, we are attracted to characters like this becaue we want to believe that those who are more powerful than us can be good. We also secretly hope that someone will show up someday and tell us that we are secretly better then we are at the moment, that we deserve to have power, that we have a fortune in Gringott’s and that we will not forget all the ‘little people’ in our process of ennoblement.
The hyper-wealth of The Wayne or Stark family is only slightly different because someone had to earn it, but Bruce and Tony inherited thiers, so that is just nobility again, American-style.
There are a couple of different versions with the title of ‘Robin Hood, retold’.
Henry Gilbert has him as a freeman – ie, still a person of considerable means, if not exactly a nobleman.
https://anovelthing.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/robin-hood/
This seems to have been reissued as ‘Robin Hood, Retold’ sans the author’s name on the cover, but the original title was just ‘Robin Hood’. Maybe it was abridged for younger readers?
Roger Lancelyn Greene.
In this instance, Robin Hood’s outsider status is due to his mixed Norman-Saxon parentage heritage – the Saxons were enslaved by the Norman invaders (although his mum actually belongs to what’s left of Saxon nobility, as opposed to being a mere serf – whew!).
The full text of the Gilbert version can be read online:
http://www.kellscraft.com/Robinhood/robinhoodcontent.html
@74/PHalyard: Hey, that’s a complete list of everything I don’t like my heroes to be. Millionaires, noblemen, chosen ones, people with special powers. I guess that’s evidence for your thesis – they are all essentially the same thing.
Perhaps this explains why I like fairy tales so much. In fairy tales, the hero is frequently the least significant or special person in a group, the one who is distinguished by nothing except kindness or cleverness or both.
@@@@@76. Aonghus Fallon Thanks! I started reading it and this is definitely the version I own.
It’s a pleasure! Pretty much anything that is out of copyright is online somewhere. The internet is a big, big place.
Come gather around me, Space travelers surround me,Hark now to the ballad of Rocket Robin Hood. I may well confound you, Astound you, spellbound you, With heroes and villains, the bad and the good. Watch now as our rockets race here from afar, For now, with our Robin, we live on a star! …Three. Two. One. Blast off! Band of brothers, marching together. Heads held high in all kinds of weather. With fiery blasts, our roaring rockets rise, Beyond the air, beyond the skies! At the sight of Robin, take your stand, With the gallant leader of our band. Send a joyous shout throughout the land For Rocket! Robin Hood!
Rocket Robin Hood
There were other takes on the Robin Hood legend. Thierry La Fronde was a French series from the early 60’s which featured a band of outlaws fighting the Black Prince during the 100 Years War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_la_Fronde
I loved this show and its theme music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kwVoHgtzo
Youtube has a few episodes whic still hold up well… IMHO
Thank you!! I was not aware of these blatant inaccuracies (lies, basically,) surrounding the mythos of Robin Hood.
Robin Hood (like King Arthur) is one of the oldest stories I loved. And I would summarise the story: When the law is unjust and the government can’t be trusted, outlaws are heroes: they hide in the forest, they are superbly skilled with bow and arrow, hunting deer that legally belong to the king, robbing the rich who pass through the forest: Robin Hood was the best shot with a longbow in England, surrounded by a loyal band of outlaws, and redistributed the wealth they stole to those who need it. Robin Hood died by treachery and was buried with his longbow where his last arrow fell.
I first read about Robin Hood, I think, in the narrative collection by Roger Lancelyn Green: The Adventures of Robin Hood. I also read Charles Wilson’s Robin Hood: His Merry Exploits, 1930, and he shows up as a secondary character in Ivanhoe in 1820 and in the first volume of The Once and Future King by T. H. White, “The Sword in the Stone”, 1938, both of which my mother read to me and my brother when we were nine or ten. I also read Geoffrey Trease’s Bows Against the Barons, 1934, and Robin McKinley’s The Outlaws of Sherwood, 1988: I knew about the May Festival representations of Robin and his Merry Men from Rosemary Sutcliff’s The Armourer’s House, 1951. I was also a fan of Robin of Sherwood the TV series, 1984-1986.
The film depiction of Legolas, in Lord of the Rings, the archer who can’t miss with his longbow, reminded me of the Robin Hood legend: that he could shoot further and more accurately with a longbow than any man in England.
The earliest ballad written down that mentions Robin Hood is a manuscript from 1450. Robin Hood (and Maid Marian and Little John) are mentioned in May games in 1507. Shakespeare mentions Robin Hood in As You Like It (1599-1603). Robin Hood continues to appear in ballads and chapbooks through the 17th and 18th century. In all the stories I learned, Robin Hood is a yeoman – not a peasant, but a small farmer who owns and farms his own land.
I loved both King Arthur and Robin Hood when I was small: I read about them both so young I can’t remember not knowing about them.
The story of Robin Hood is of outlaws rebelling in desperation against bad laws and unjust government: the story of King Arthur is a longing for a just ruler and good laws.
Just throwing out a couple of probably lesser-known books that feature/include Robin Hood figures. I think both were sold as historical fiction rather than being speculative, but both were interesting.
“The Passionate Brood” by Margaret Campbell Barnes. Actually a novel about the Plantagenet siblings and their foster brother, Robin. It’s a *long* time since I read it, so I have no idea how it stands up.
“Locksley” by Nicholas Chase. Starts with Robin on Crusade with Richard and spins out from there. A most unusual love story for Robin, with Marian being his sister. Ditto on the long time since I read it.
The need to believe that the System is just but the True King absent or deceived is strong. Even as cynical a movie as Robocop lets the Reaganesque C.E.O. have his heart in the right place but undermined by a scheming underling; supposèdly many a victim of Soviet purge ‘trials’ was dragged-off yelling that the judges would get theirs ‘[…] when Comrade Stalin learns of this!’.
And earlier in Russian history the peasants would pray that the Czar come to know what the Cossacks were doing to them.
This article helped inform the writing of an original musical about Robin Hood called the Ballad of the Merry Folx which will premiere in Portland, OR this summer. I’d like to connect with the author, Emmet Asher-Perrin.