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Star Trek: Picard Timeline Updated and Explained: How Hugh, Data, and Seven of Nine Fit In

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Published on July 26, 2019

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The new Star Trek: Picard trailer is perfectly suited for any viewer new to Trek, but it also contains a lot of layered mythology and timeline questions for decades-long fans of the various shows.

If it’s been a while since you engaged with The Next GenerationVoyager, or the Star Trek movies released nearly 20 years ago, some of the references in the trailer might seem a little confusing, or at the very least, very quickly glossed-over. Where was Data the last time we saw him? What is the history of the Borg up to this point? What’s the deal with Seven of Nine again? Is Picard living on a farm? (No, it’s a wine vineyard.) Okay, but why?

So that it’s all in one place: here’s a selected chronological timeline of important stuff featured in the show: from Hugh, to Data, and Seven of Nine; to Picard’s family, to Troi, and a certain supernova.

 

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2366

Captain Picard is captured and assimilated into the Borg collective (TNG, The Best of Both Worlds Parts 1 and 2″)

At the start of the Picard trailer, a voice asks Jean-Luc if he has “ever felt like a stranger” to himself. Which he replies, “Many, many times.” The most prominent time that happened in TNG was when the Borg assimilated Picard and turned him into Locutus, a kind of mouthpiece for the Collective. In some ways, Picard never really recovered from the psychological scars of this experience, which gives us an idea of what he might be thinking about in the new show.

 

2367

Captain Picard visits his family and rolls around in the mud with his brother Robert at Château Picard (TNG, “Family”)

Arguably one of the weirdest–and greatest–episodes of TNG, this episode introduces Picard’s family and specifically introduces the setting of the French winery, Château Picard. Because several scenes in both trailers for the new series take place at Château Picard, it’s worth looking at the winery’s first–and until recently–only, appearance in Trek canon. In this episode, Picard clashes with his brother Robert over classic family problems; Robert perceives Picard as a snob for leaving home and going into space. (Keep in mind that Star Trek: Nemesis revealed Jean-Luc as the only Picard to ever go into space.) Meanwhile, Picard just thinks his brother is a bully (because honestly, he is). Both men are right and both men are wrong. But they end up drinking some wine in the end, despite being covered in mud after a huge brawl.

 

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2368

The Enterprise-D rescues a wounded Borg drone, Third of Five, who later takes the name “Hugh” (TNG, “I, Borg”)

Because Jonathan Del Arco is returning to play Hugh in Picard, his origin story is super important. In 2368, the Enterprise-D finds a crashed Borg scout ship and beam its only surviving drone, named Third of Five, on board for medical care. The episode confronts the crew’s prejudice against the Borg and, for the first time on Star Trek, actively explores whether a Borg drone could, in fact, leave the collective and regain their individuality. In one pivotal moment, Picard pretends to be Locutus again in a ferocious and tense scene to test Hugh’s newfound individuality–a notion that Picard clearly does not believe–and finds himself shaken when Hugh demands that Picard treat him as a person.

Hugh only returned to Trek canon one more time after that, which continued to complicate the idea of what it meant for a Borg drone to gain its individuality.

(Note: Hugh the Borg has no connection to Hugh Culber, you know, the heroic doctor from Star Trek: Discovery.)

 

2369

Hugh becomes the leader of the rogue Borg who split from the Collective (TNG, “Descent Part II”)

After Hugh was sent back to the Borg Collective, his newfound individual selfhood essentially became “infectious,” creating an offshoot of rogue Borg drones who were full-fledged individuals. Unsure of how to create a community or set a direction for themselves, they came under the sway of Data’s evil brother, Lore. After Lore was defeated, the only person left in charge of the rogue Borg was Hugh. In an interview with TV Line published during San Diego Comic-Con, Del Arco said that Hugh has “grown” in his leadership role over the years by the time we get to the events of Picard.

 

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2371

Robert, Marie, and René Picard — Jean Luc’s brother, sister-and-law and nephew — are all killed in a fire (Star Trek Generations)

In some way, this tragedy begins to define the post-Next Generation Jean-Luc. In the first big TNG movie, Picard questions his own mortality after his only living relatives literally die in a fire. (You gotta hand it to Generations: First TNG movie ever, and the captain breaks down crying in like the first 30 minutes. Rad.) Presumably, Picard inherits Château Picard as a result of this. The blow of losing his only living family is a big deal for Picard throughout the rest of the TNG-era movies. He feels keenly his status as The Last Picard, and tends to make foolish choices when offered the opportunity to correct that.

Grapes for a future vintage of Picard wine are possibly planted (Star Trek: Picard, teaser trailer)

Because burgundy grape vines can take about 1-2 years to grow and produce grapes before they’re ready to be harvested, then can be aged in barrels for 2-15 years, it’s possible that the 2386 wine Jean-Luc has in the teaser trailer is from the very last new grapevines planted by his brother Robert.

 

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2373

Picard and the crew of the Enterprise-E prevent the Borg from changing Earth’s past (Star Trek: First Contact)

Though “The Best of Both Worlds” is Jean-Luc’s most famous Borg story, his biggest tango with the hive-minded cyborg zombies is Star Trek: First Contact. Here, the Borg try to change Earth’s history by traveling back in time and prevent Earth’s very first contact with an alien species. This film establishes the Borg Queen as the head of the Collective and the guiding mind behind the decision to assimilate Picard and turn him into Locutus. It also demonstrates that the Borg can quickly assimilate people into the hive using nanoprobes. (Which really looked a lot like what happened to Leland in Star Trek: Discovery last season. Though, officially, Control is NOT the Borg, at least for now.)

First Contact also demonstrated that though Picard was capable of seeing that certain Borg had the potential for rehabilitation, he was still filled with rage over his assimilation. (The fact that the Borg nearly assimilate all of Earth in this movie might have something to do with Picard not being super open-minded about them.) And yet, by the end of the movie, Picard learns his need for revenge isn’t going to do anybody any favors. In almost every way, this is the Picard we know the best right now; a guy who got close to losing his soul—twice—and came back better than before. After First Contact, Picard is a little more lightened up in the next two movies, even though bad stuff happens.

 

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2374

Seven of Nine is liberated from the Borg Collective by Captain Janeway and the USS Voyager (Star Trek: Voyager, “Scorpion Part 2.”)

Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) is obviously a big deal in the new Picard show and, importantly, she was part of the Borg Collective for 13 years (plus 5 years in a “maturation chamber” that restructured her young mind), far longer than any other assimilated character we’ve seen thus far (and by the time of Star Trek: Picard, she’s only been fully human for 25 years). Separated from the Collective by Captain Janeway while Voyager was trapped in the Delta Quadrant, Seven of Nine became a break-out character on the show, and her ongoing character struggle was learning how to adapt to life as a human when, in most instances, she didn’t actually care to be an individual. (It was boring, and inefficient, and strange, at first.) Where Hugh provided a limited look at Borg drones regaining their individuality, Seven of Nine provided a lengthy character study.

By the time of Star Trek: Picard, it’s not totally clear if Seven is going by “Seven,” “Seven of Nine,” or her birthname “Annika.” Regardless, she seems to have a pre-existing relationship with Picard (he certainly seems comfortable enough to drink her whiskey!) and we’re excited to see how his experiences with individuality, the Collective, and machine intelligences vs human intelligences, align.

 

2377

Seven of Nine discovers Borg drones who have created a virtual safe haven called “Unimatrix Zero” (Star Trek: Voyager, “Unimatrix Zero parts 1 and 2”)

One of the most important episodes dealing with Borg rebellion is the two-part Voyager episode “Unimatrix Zero.” In this one, Seven discovers a kind of telepathic/holographic virtual world where Borg drones could hide their real personalities. It’s totally conceivable that if Seven will make at least a passing reference to Unimatrix Zero, mostly because it demonstrated that even the most brainwashed drones had private interior lives that the Collective could not repress or eliminate.

 

Star Trek Voyager Endgame Borg unicomplex
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2378

The Borg Collective is dealt a massive blow and possibly extinguished as a Collective by Captain Janeway and Admiral Janeway (Star Trek: Voyager, “Endgame”)

Alright, saddle up.

It is the year 2404 and a very sad Admiral Janeway doesn’t want to accept the losses she had to endure to get Voyager home after 23 years. So she makes and steals a bunch of weapons and travels back in time to the year 2378 and basically manipulates then-Captain Janeway and the Voyager crew into attacking the Borg Unicomplex, basically the Borg’s home base and the originating source of the Borg Queen. It’s unclear how much of the Borg survive this attack but there are a LOT of explosions and Admiral Janeway makes it her priority to bring down the Borg Queen and die trying so at the very least the Borg are fragmented across the galaxy. It’s very possible that the Collective ceases to exist AS a Collective, leaving billions and billions of Borg as individuals.

Captain Janeway sneaks a ride home through one of the Borg wormholes and pops out at Earth. We see Janeway made into an Admiral in the following year.

We have no word on whether Kate Mulgrew will appear in Star Trek: Picard, but it seems likely that Picard will be dealing heavily with the consequences of Janeway’s actions.

 

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2379

Data is destroyed and his memories are transferred to B-4’s less developed neural net/positronic matrix (Star Trek Nemesis)

Data sacrifices himself to save Picard in the film Star Trek: Nemesis, but by the end of the movie it is made clear that that he managed to transfer at least some of his memories to his prototype duplicate B-4. An earlier mention of B-4 as an early prototype of the more advanced Soong androids Data (and Lore) stresses that B-4’s hardware may not be capable of supporting the wealth of experience and development that Data has undergone. But clearly something gets through, as we hear B-4 idly humming a song that Data sang before his death.

We see what appears to be a fully functioning Data in the trailer to Star Trek: Picard. But we also see what appears to be a completely dissassembled and inert Data/B-4/Soong android in that same trailer. So who is Picard talking to? A hologram? Or Data fully reactivated within the body of B-4? Or Data in a completely new Soong android body?

Riker and Troi leave the USS Enterprise to join the USS Titan (Star Trek Nemesis)

Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes are returning as Troi and Riker respectively in the new series, but it’s unclear what they’re doing with their lives in 2399. At the end of Nemesis, it was established both of them were leaving for the USS Titan, which was—finally—going to be Riker’s first command. Is he still doing that 20 years later? Or is he a grizzled old Admiral who begrudgingly helps Picard, like in the possible future depicted in the TNG finale “All Good Things”? Is Troi still urging Picard to deal with his baggage? Did she finally kill Barclay? Did Troi and Riker have a kid? Did they name them Dizzy Troi like Chris wanted? We’ll see!

 

2381

Picard leaves the USS Enterprise-E for a special assignment from Starfleet (Starfleet Museum exhibit at San Diego Comic-Con, 2019)

According to a placard at the First Duty exhibit at San Diego Comic-Con, 2381 is the year Picard stops being the Captain of the Enterprise-E. This means Picard was captain of the Enterprise-E for 9 years total. (This assumes he took command of the Enterprise-E in 2372, which would match-up with Geordi saying “we’ve been in space for a year now” in First Contact.)

It’s also notable that he left the Enterprise-E so shortly after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis. The film separates most of the main cast: Data gets killed, Troi and Riker leave for the Titan, and although it’s only in a deleted scene, Dr. Crusher is also said to leave for Starfleet Medical. So it’s really just Geordi, Worf, and a new crew on the Enterprise-E in those last two years. We imagine it must have felt pretty lonely.

Time to move on, perhaps?

 

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2383

The last time somebody got assimilated in that weird “facility”

In the Comic-Con trailer for Star Trek: Picard, we briefly see what looks like a prison that (maybe) contains former Borg Drones. The big clue is a sign that reads: “This facility has gone 5843 days without an assimilation.” Assuming these are Earth years (which is a big assumption) quick math means 5,843 days is a little over 16 years, and 16 years backward from 2399 (the start of the new show) would be 2383. What is going on in this maybe Borg-prison isn’t clear at all. But, if that sign is meant to be taken literally, this place existed during this year, possibly in secret.

 

2384

Picard leads hypothetical “Rescue Armada” (Star Trek: Picard teaser trailer)

This date is a little bit of conjecture and could easily be earlierbut if we assume the teaser trailer dialogue happens in 2399, then “15 years ago” would be 2384. Then again, it’s totally possible that the scene in the teaser trailer happens earlier, maybe in a flashback, which could move this date back a few years. Maybe.

Either way, the voice questioning Picard in the first trailer says Jean-Luc led the “the greatest rescue armada in history.” Presumably, this is the special assignment Picard took-on after leaving the Enterprise. And, since we know that a supernova destroys Romulus a few years from this point, the “rescue armada” could be a massive fleet of ships that combine to evacuate the Romulus system. Still, because this is a few years before Romulus gets hit by a supernova, it stands to reason that the rescue armada could be for something else, possibly Borg-related.

 

Chateau Picard bottles Star Trek Picard trailer
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2386

Jean-Luc leaves Starfleet (Starfleet Museum exhibit at San Diego Comic-Con, 2019) 

According to the First Duty pop-up exhibit at Comic-Con, this is the year when Picard leaves Starfleet. We don’t know why, yet.

Château Picard wine is harvested (Star Trek: Picard teaser trailer)

The bottles that Picard is carrying in the first teaser trailer have a vintage of 2386, which means that’s the year that somebody took them out of the barrels and started bottling the wine. Since the teaser trailer also implies that Picard experienced a terrible failure in his life either during or after the events of the Rescue Armada, it’s probable that 2386 is also the first year that he personally bottles his vineyard’s wine.

 

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2387

Destruction of the planet Romulus (Star Trek – 2009 film)

Are we seeing too many characters from the various Star Trek shows? How about we add in Spock, too!

In the 2009 Star Trek “reboot” film, Prime Spock describes attempting to thwart a supernova from annihilating the home planet system of the Romulan Empire. His description to Young Kirk places this event in the year 2387. (2387 is consistent with  Spock saying “129 years from now” when he mind-melds with Kirk in this movie since the first reboot movie takes place in 2258.)

Picard and Discovery producer Alex Kurtzman has said that the destruction of Romulus weighs heavily on Picard in the new series. Three things of note here. First, the first reboot Trek film was co-written by Alex Kurtzman, so he’s pretty familiar with the different timelines. Second, in the big Comic-Con trailer for Picard, we see several Romulans rocking the same shaved-head look that they did in the 2009 movie, so an effort is being made to be visually consistent with the 2009 Star Trek film. Finally, in TVLine interview, Patrick Stewarts mentions that some Romulans actually work with Picard in the wine vineyard in France, and in the trailer, we see several Romulans giving Picard pep talks, which further supports the idea that the “rescue armada” was for Romulus, that the Romulan Empire is scattered across the quadrant, and a lot of Romulans love Picard now.

 

Star Trek Voyager Endgame Chakotay grave
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2394

Chakotay dies in an alternate future (Voyager finale, “Endgame”)

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Okay, sorry, serious question though: since Admiral Janeway erased this future is Chakotay still alive in the year 2399 AND if he is then are he and Seven of Nine still in the relationship they started in the final season of Star Trek: Voyager AND if they are then will we see Chakotay briefly in Star Trek: Picard AND if they’re not in a relationship then did Chakotay die in 2394 in this main timeline, too, MEANING that it doesn’t matter what you do to the timeline, Chakotay still dies?

This is possibly the most important question about Star Trek: Picard and how dare you suggest otherwise.

 

2395

“All Good Things” alternate future scenes (TNG finale, “All Good Things”)

In the TNG series finale, Picard got to play around in an alternate version of the future in which he also was tending to the vines of his family’s vineyard. Almost nothing about this future has actually happened in the real timeline we’ve seen unfold since then (the Enterprise-D was destroyed, Data died, Troi is apparently alive, etc.) but, a few details seem to remain. For example, the Starfleet combadges worn by the Starfleet officers we see briefly in the Picard trailer are the same future design from “All Good Things,” and, for that matter, Voyager’s finale, “Endgame.” (Also, my vintage grade-school review of “All Good Things” totally holds up. Just sayin’.)

 

Pictured (l-r): Evan Evagora as Elnor; Alison Pill as Dr. Jurati; Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard; of the CBS All Access series STAR TREK: PICARD. Photo Cr: Trae Patton/CBS ©2019 CBS Interactive

2399

Star Trek: Picard

Whatever ends up happening after the mysterious Dahj (Isa Briones) seeks out Jean-Luc in the new series happens in 2399, right before the end of the 24th century. Whether or not we’ll see this show pass into the 25th century isn’t clear yet, but if so, it will be the first time a Trek show has spent any time in a century previously dominated by Buck Rogers!

In any case, anything that happens to Picard and any of the other returning characters begins in this year, and from this point, it seems like Picard—and Star Trek in general—is going forward into the future, not backward.

Ryan Britt is a longtime contributor to Tor.com. His other science fiction essays and journalism have been published by SyFy Wire, Den of Geek!, InverseVulture, and StarTrek.com He is the author of the essay collection Luke Skywalker Can’t Read (Penguin Random House) and an editor at Fatherly.

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5 years ago

The Borg are exhibit A for Villain Decay. Not interested.

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TBGH
5 years ago

@1 Your point is well taken. Allow me to offer the following counter-argument.

I AM SO PUMPED FOR THIS!

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5 years ago

Thank you for this timeline! I am so looking forward to this new series.

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5 years ago

I’m just sad that since Deep Space Nine (with the exception of the teaser of the pilot episode) was Borg-free very little related to the series will probably appear in this show.  It would be a shame if the only thing that survives from the series in newer Trek is Section 31 (which only appeared in 3 episodes during its 7 season run).

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5 years ago

I’ve got a feeling they’ve retconned the timeline and moved the destruction of Romulus back from 2387 to 2383 or thereabouts. Spock may have made an error in his discussion in the JJ movie, or perhaps someone in the writing of the new show got the date wrong?

It seems a bit of a stretch to have there being this very long-winded rescue mission lasting years (although it would be more realistic, but “more realistic” is anathema to the modern incarnation of Trek), and then it went wrong but somehow went wrong years before Romulus was destroyed. More likely and more concise is that Starfleet launched a rescue mission but it was too late, and they only managed to save a handful of Romulans whilst billions died. That feels like a much more convincing reason for Picard quitting Starfleet.

That might also explain why we have Romulans on both sides in the trailer, helping Picard but also apparently working with the Borg.

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Lord Foul
5 years ago

Hopefully no Chakotay. He could have been an interesting character, but was just so dull and uninspiring. The whole Seven/Chakotay romance was extremely lame and came out of nowhere. It was just a bit of an FU from the writers to the fans of the show, as there was all that Chakotay/Janeway shipping going on.

I’m looking forward to this and hope it will be a marked improvement on Discovery.

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Cole Jenkins
5 years ago

“Château Picard, it’s worth looking at the winery’s first–and until recently–only,appearance in Trek canon”

Not true. The winery also appears in “All Good Things…” the series finale. 

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MeThere
5 years ago

#1

I don’t think Star Trek is about villains though. It’s about former villains. Or the process of making them such.

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millrick
5 years ago

Didn’t Marie Picard survive the 2371 fire that killed her husband and son?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Marie_Picard

 

 

 

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5 years ago

the build up is  wonderful can’t wait .

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Porphyrogenitus
5 years ago

So, Duck Dodger’s time has come and gone by the start of Picard. I wonder if he’ll show up in any flashbacks?

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5 years ago

Awesome primer, super excited for this and more Disco and as much Star Trek in my life as I can get!

ChocolateRob
5 years ago

I’ve not watched it in many years but I’m pretty sure that the Borg place that got destroyed in the Voyager finale was not as you describe it. From what I remember it was one of only several trans-warp hubs, the complexes that allow the Borg to travel around the galaxy at much higher speeds than regular warp. Destroying that one crippled the entire network, preventing them using this ability, the exact range of the damage to the network was unknown.

So it was not the Borg home base or origin of the Queen, just an extremely vital base to their ability to mobilize. The Queen herself may have lost another body (as in first contact) but there is little evidence she was permanently destroyed (though it’s not inconceivable).

Then again I’m not an in depth trekker, just an occasional fan.

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Amorette
5 years ago

Wait, there are elves in ST? 

 

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Robb
5 years ago

@13:

The transwarp hub and the Unicomplex (the Borg “homeworld”) were both destroyed by the Janeways. The picture above is of the Unicomplex going kablooey. So the Borg were definitely crippled in that last battle.

Sunspear
5 years ago

@14. Amorette: was thinking the same thing. With a character called Elnor, carrying a sword, they’ve gone Full Elf.

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Kallie
5 years ago

I thought Marie survived the fire and only Robert and Rene died? (Nerd nitpick…)

Did they cut *all* references in Nemesis to Beverly going to Starfleet Medical? I thought some of it had survived in the movie but maybe it really was all in deleted scenes, so it could be otherwise. In the Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard (which obviously isn’t canon, but the SDCC exhibit last week used pictures taken from that book which was interesting), Beverly stayed on the Enterprise, she married Picard shortly after Nemesis, and then went off to command her own ship. I wonder if she’ll be mentioned at all.

I think seeing Janeway is more likely than Chakotay (unless *they’re* in a relationship – there are shippers for that, too :) 

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Jon
5 years ago

The winery appeared in more than one episode of TNG. It appeared when Picard went to visit his brother after his experience with the Borg, but it made another appearance in the show finale. As Picard’s consciousness was traveling back and forth through time, one of the times he visited was himself as an old (somewhat senile) man who was working to restore the winery that had laid abandoned since his brother and nephew died (mentioned in Star Trek Generations.)

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Michelle
5 years ago

Wine vintages are set by the year grapes are harvested, not when the wine was bottled- 2386 is the year Picard harvested his grapes, not bottled it.

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5 years ago

– remremulo: Agreed.

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Bob
5 years ago

There’s a popular theory that Data is a hologram in a holodeck. He appears to be in his Nemesis uniform, he calls Picard “Captain”, he’s playing cards like the old TNG days (wasn’t this the last scene of TNG?). But most of all the sad voiced Picard not wanting the card game to end (because then he’d have to “end program”?).

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R s !!
5 years ago

Spiecies 8472 were much scarier villains than borg but multi dimensional aliens didnt know how to deal with a borg nanotech biological weapon created by vioger crew. Later this brilliant villan spieces were destroyed by bab, even foolish writting, my last memory of them is a vague recollection of then trying to recreat star fleet academy to study humans and the federation.

The borg got resurected again and again, hopefully Discovery season 3 will begin some scary foes. The Dominion couldnt have forgotten about the federation. 70,000 light years shouldnt take then that long to travel. A century or two at most and both quateants could resume their disafreement with improved tech, the founders on the otherside of the ds9 wormhole would be very angry and they do hold grudges.

With picard and discovery of i am oleased that the prequel series have ended. Star trek needs to be bolder, it needs to go trans galactic with original none humanoid enemies and allies. And with new tech. Captain picard would be jealous of smart phones and tablets, his was bulky and probably didnt have any anti virus software. Not just the borg that can get hacked and told to nod off, any ship could be victim of something catoscrophic.

Go where they havent heard of Barclay. Probably somewhere faraway like Iran.

 

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JasonD
5 years ago

I hold out hope for a Picard-Sisko reunion. He was more affected by Picard becoming Locutus than anyone.

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Almuric
5 years ago

@23. The problem with that is explaining how Sisko came back from being with the Prophets in “What You Leave Behind”.

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5 years ago

@21 – man, that makes me sad, but it would definitely fit the tenor of that scene.  I also caught the ‘All Good Things’ homage in that scene, but you’re right that it may very well be reliving an older time in the holodeck.

Wait, that character’s name is Elnor? When I first saw him I thought he was some cross between Loki and Legolas, lol.

Thanks for this timeline, this is actually super helpful especially as I haven’t really watched much of Voyager (any of it, really, aside from 1-2 episodes that were on DVD compilations).

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Stephen Shirres
5 years ago

Sorry to be that person but Worf wasn’t left behind on the Enterprise after the events of Star Trek Nemisis as he was a member of DS9’s crew at the time.

From First Contact onwards every film had to jump through hoops to get Worf back on the Enterprise so movie going audiences weren’t confused.

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Redronni
5 years ago

Bless you for not only bringing up the J/C/7 paradigm but for also suggesting that it may be the most important plot point in the whole series. Obviously we hardcore Voyager fans will tie any narrative back to J/C :)

Seven’s (now Annika’s) demeanor, voice, and overall manner was so unexpected—so much more devil-may-care and laidback than she was in the series, which I must remind myself wrapped 18 years ago. I wonder if we’ll see Hugh as transformed, too. Hopefully he’s not just the cadaver in the trailer.

The Terminator/Sarah Conner theory around Dahj, wherein she is somehow responsible (through time travel, of course) for the birth of the Borg is pretty interesting, as is the Picard/Borg Queen progeny one. Although with the latter, I’m going back and forth as to when the affair/deed happened. In terms of plot the Best of Both Worlds makes sense, in terms of timing (and how old she appears to be), First Contact seems more appropriate. (I’m definitely overthinking this.)

Lastly, did anyone else think of River in Serenity when Dahj took out those officers (the ones who looked more like Imperial soldiers than Starfleet)?

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cap-mjb
5 years ago

It’s generally assumed (but not actually stated outright) that Maria Picard survived the fire. If she didn’t, she doesn’t rate a mention among those killed.

Beverly leaving the Enterprise was only in a deleted scene. Conversely, Worf returning to the Enterprise was only in a deleted scene. Last we heard, he was a Federation ambassador.

2381 is close to when I had Picard leaving the Enterprise (2380). 2386 is way out though, I had him still in Starfleet in 2393. I’m going to have to do some fudging…

The future sections of Voyager’s finale are set in the 25th century (as mentioned above).

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5 years ago

@26. Incorrect. Worf left DS9 in the final episode to become the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon homeworld. Three years later, in Nemesis he reactivates his Starfleet commission and joins the Enterprise-E. He even says he wasn’t cut out to be an ambassador.

The assumption is that he remained on the Enterprise with Picard after that episode.

Sunspear
5 years ago

 @28. cap: you post with captcha every time?

Also, is it general knowledge around these parts who you are? Mary J. Blige?

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5 years ago

wut?

Sunspear
5 years ago

If you’re addressing me, magnus, just having a bit of fun.

cap saying “2381 is close to when I had Picard leaving the Enterprise (2380)” suggests s/he may be a tie-in author, but I have no idea who he or she may be.

Also, any name in red doesn’t have an account (I think), so they have to log in thru the captcha system every time. Setting up a commenting account is easy enough, less laborious to comment.

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Douglas McLeod
5 years ago

Vines are generally grown from cuttings, not seeds. Archaeologists recently analyzed a 900-year-old sauvignon blanc seed from a site in France and discovered that it was genetically identical to vines growing in the same area today — there are not just the same species, but clones of the same plant. So the Chateau Picard vines could be very old.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190610111557.htm

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cap-mjb
5 years ago

@32/Sunspear: No, I’m not famous. Just a guy with either far too much time on his hands or not enough time on his hands who’s spent a couple of decades plotting out unlicensed fiction. Then the people who hold the rights are inconsiderate enough to revive the canon…

I tried to set up an account once but found it a lot more laborious than just ticking a box every time I post, so I gave up and have been doing this ever since.

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cap-mjb
5 years ago

@29. That doesn’t really match what we see in the film (which may be why it was cut): Worf’s wearing his DS9 uniform rather than a security chief’s colours, which could mean he’s still a Starfleet inactive. The novels had to jump through hoops to explain it away, saying he was on temporary attachment to the Enterprise prior to joining his new posting and then stayed on as Data’s replacement.

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5 years ago

Sunspear: That’s what I thought, but I couldn’t understand why Mary J. Blige. Now I notice the MJB thing.

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Redronni
5 years ago

@34 That did actually make me laugh out loud, and I think a bunch of us are in the same boat.

@35 Yeah the uniforms on the Starfleet grounds threw me for a second because they looked like the ones prior to Nemesis. Bringing that old thing back? It would be easier to identify someone’s track from those versus the gray uniforms with the shirt colors underneath. Those also looked like they’d get hot really fast…

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5 years ago

@6 “It was just a bit of an FU from the writers to the fans of the show, as there was all that Chakotay/Janeway shipping going on.”

See, I always thought it was much more to do with the really vast amounts of Seven/Janeway shipping going on! (Which, you know, I may have been part of. :-D)

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isaac32767
5 years ago

The only question I want answered: WHICH VERSION KLINGONS WILL WE SEE?

 

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Erin
5 years ago

Vintage year is the year the grapes were harvested, not the year the wine was bottled. 

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5 years ago

There is a pleasing contrast between Picard’s assimilation just prior to the Battle of Wolf359, and his spearheading a rescue mission to save Romulan (and hopefully Reman lives.)  I am really looking forward to seeing more Rihannsu and Havrannsu and less Romulans and Remans.  I know the writers of Discovery, and all who make it great do honor to the great works of trek lit, and I am really excited.  From what I saw in the trailer, Dahj seems like someone we are all going to fall in love with.  I was blown away by what I saw.  I almost wept when I saw Picard open that box, revealing his combadge.  What I really appreciate and wish to give thanks for is how the production team is integrating and validating the stories from other media, like the novels and the games.  This is awesome!  Also, Jeri Ryan slaaaaaays it.  I am a gay dude, and I think she is not only smoking hot, but she’s fierce AF.  This is going to rock.

Something that tugs at my heart strings is how these Romulans admire Picard.  It feels like something way more significant than hero worship, there is a compelling authenticity that resonates.  

But who better than the Romulans to exemplify mnhei’sahe…

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5 years ago

There is a pleasing contrast between Picard’s assimilation just prior to the Battle of Wolf359, and his spearheading a rescue mission to save Romulan (and hopefully Reman lives.)  I am really looking forward to seeing more Rihannsu and Havrannsu and less Romulans and Remans.  I know the writers of Discovery, and all who make it great do honor to the great works of trek lit, and I am really excited.  From what I saw in the trailer, Dahj seems like someone we are all going to fall in love with.  I was blown away by what I saw.  I almost wept when I saw Picard open that box, revealing his combadge.  What I really appreciate and wish to give thanks for is how the production team is integrating and validating the stories from other media, like the novels and the games.  This is awesome!  Also, Jeri Ryan slaaaaaays it.  I am a gay dude, and I think she is not only smoking hot, but she’s fierce AF.  This is going to rock.

Something that tugs at my heart strings is how these Romulans admire Picard.  It feels like something way more significant than hero worship, there is a compelling authenticity that resonates.  

But who better than the Romulans to exemplify mnhei’sahe…

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5 years ago

@27, I think EVERYBODY thought of River Tam when they saw Dahj fighting. Small, dark and basass with a mysterious past. How can we not?

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Jeff Shultz
5 years ago

@43 I thought of Gamora, myself… 

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5 years ago

@43-44: I thought: “Is this the updated version of the TOS fistfight?”

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Monolith
5 years ago

Am i the only one whom it strikes as odd that this galaxy spanning franchise always wants to return to this bloody vineyard?
I’m all for making characters more human with the use of backstory and a good spectrum of family drama, etc., and I have nothing against careful juxtaposing of the galactic with the worldly, but to continually return to something as mundane, seemingly random, and, well…un-scifi as a vineyard and make it this kind of keystone in our otherwise intrepid, star-faring captain’s psyche, is somewhat jarring for me.

Just a thought. Still excited for the series

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5 years ago

@46/Monolith: It didn’t strike me as random, more as a bit stereotypical. He’s French, therefore his family makes wine. 

Apart from that, I simply took it as another version of Kirk’s perennial longing for a simple life. Those two aren’t all that different. 

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Amos Greig
5 years ago

The Disassembled Soong android is probably Lore not B4. At the end of Descent Part 2 Data shoots Lore it is revealed that he deacitivated his brother and disassembled him. Perhaps someone decides to reactivate Lore but uploading Data’s personality? Either way it will be interesting to see how it plays out. 

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5 years ago

@48/Amos Greig: “Perhaps someone decides to reactivate Lore but uploading Data’s personality?”

Would that be murder or body theft?

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excessivelyperky
5 years ago

Of course, we are assuming this show works with *any* known timeline for the ST universe, about which I am not very optimistic. 

(alas, The Orville is said to have only one more season, she whines). 

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5 years ago

Given Star Trek Countdown, the 4-issue comic book series prequel to Star Trek (2009), should be (if not actually is) canon, this article’s author should definitely put an entry in for Stardate 63333.4 through 64467.14, the dates indicated across the 4 issues.  (Exercise left to reader to translate this to Earth Standard Years.)

Spock has been living on Romulus for 20 years and a citizen for the last 5.

Data (whose neural nets were successfully imprinted over B-4’s existing programming in B-4’s body) is Captain of the Enterprise-E.

Picard is an ambassador to Vulcan.

Georgie built the Jellyfish with the Vulcan Science Directorate.

Worf is a General in the Klingon Empire.

The events of Star Trek (2009) show mostly in flashback / mind-meld what happened with the destruction of Romulus and Nero’s crew’s journey.  They rescue the Romulan leaders, who lead them to a secret installation set up for contingency.  The installation had harvested Borg technology which was then used to retrofit the Narada.

If the showrunners for Star Trek Picard do not include this as canon I’m going to be disappointed. Then again, I.D.I.C. so whatever they make is fine.  I’ll watch it!

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Writelhd
5 years ago

From what I recall reading once the actor of Chacotay wasn’t all that pleased with how his character was treated by the show so I dunno if we’ll get an appearance out of him.  Hopefully Kate Mulgrew would be willing to make a guest appearance! Or maybe we’ll find out if Harry Kim ever got a promotion. 

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5 years ago

@46 – Monolith: You do realize the trailer itself has Picard saying that he tried to make a home there, but his home was among the stars? And that it is obvious that the vineyard is not the setting for the show?

@52 – Writelhd: Beltran hasn’t really had much of a TV career since 2010, so perhaps he needs the job. Same for Wang, I’d love to see Captain Kim, even in a short cameo.

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5 years ago

I haven’t been following the online discussions or the information revealed by Stewart and the producers. So my thoughts are based solely on the trailer. But my first thought on seeing the trailer was that the 7 of 9 and Data scenes could both be holodeck, or just Picard having internal debates using people he used to know acting as standins. Especially people he’s lost, maybe. “What are you doing, saving the world again?” could be 7 of 9 speaking for Picard’s super-ego, for instance.

Although as I typed the above paragraph it suddenly seemed too much like Battlestar Galactica (i.e “Head Six” and Baltar). So maybe not likely. But possible, at least until someone points to some non-trailer source that contradicts it.

TBH I’d rather not know much more than I already do about the series. I didn’t know Hugh was in it for example. Slightly sorry I read the article..

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cap-mjb
5 years ago

@51: Again, very very unlikely that anyone making the show will pay any attention to someone’s favourite licensed apocrypha, any more than they’ll pay attention to the novels or Star Trek Online. None of it was every intended to be canon, just a nice extra which is likely to get contradicted if someone ever makes a Picard series…oh.

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5 years ago

@54 – MattDiamond: Data, I can see. But what sense would it make for 7 of 9 to be acting as that, when she has had no relationship with Picard? I mean, if this was a Janeway show…

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5 years ago

Why is Picard working with an Elf? Dr. Jurati looks confused too.  I like the ship though.

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Lee Jones
5 years ago

Picard and Discovery producer Alex Kurtzman has said that the destruction of Romulus weighs heavily on Picard in the new series. Three things of note here. First, the first reboot Trek film was co-written by Alex Kurtzman, so he’s pretty familiar with the different timelines. Second, in the big Comic-Con trailer for Picard, we see several Romulans rocking the same shaved-head look that they did in the 2009 movie, so an effort is being made to be visually consistent with the 2009 Star Trek film.

 

Why, why, why did Kurtzman decided to use the Kelvin timeline from the Abrams films as part of this series setting?  WHY?  I hate those movies.  They’re utter crap.

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Lee Jones
5 years ago

From what I recall reading once the actor of Chacotay wasn’t all that pleased with how his character was treated by the show so I dunno if we’ll get an appearance out of him.

 

Why did he have a problem with how his character was treated?  Okay, I get the romance with Seven was very rushed.  Otherwise, what was his problem?  Did he expect Chakotay to become Voyager’s captain?

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5 years ago

@55 – the IDW comic series of stories, of which Star Trek Countdown was one, did feature a story about an alternate Mudd (a female Mudd).  In the story, her ship is confiscated.  In the movie Star Trek Into Darkness, they use a non-Starfleet ship, “the one from the Mudd mission” (or something like that) to explore Kronos.  Yes, the IDW series of stories was intended to be canon, not fan favorite apocrypha, from Star Trek Countdown, to Star Trek Countdown to Darkness, Star Trek Nero, and the other stories in the series.  Take them or leave them, but the connections between the movies and the comic books are definitely there.

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Jen Ofer
5 years ago

It should have been J/C not C/7 good lord J/7 had more chemistry then the two of them.  Never could understand why they would rub our faces in the chemistry they had starting in the end of season 2…. only 2 drop it.  Just saw both actors on Big Love and Orange is the New Black… They both have aged perfectly for each other!  Bring it on writers.  They can be old and overweight together! ❤️

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Martin Wahl
5 years ago

Can someone please try to explain why if in Star Trek 2009 if Spock Prime is able to predict the exact time and place of the star which will supernova and destroy Romulus, why they then if fact prevent this disaster, such as by deploying the Red Matter much earlier. In doing so they could also prevent Nero from having access to any ship capable of taking revenge which in turn will prevent the destruction of Vulcan and restore the previous timeline established in Star Trek:TOS. Yes I know this sounds a lot like using Back To The Future Logic of knowing exactly when lightning will strike the Clock Tower (10:04 PM on Nov 12, 1955) but that’s the logic of time travel devices. 

Sunspear
5 years ago

@62. Martin: the Red Matter is a pure MacGuffin that Abrams used in other places like his TV show Alias. As such, it’s near meaningless. The rest of what you mention is on plot rails. It happens because Abrams and co. wrote it that way. Doesn’t need rhyme or reason. See the recent Star Wars movie.