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The Wheel of Time TV Show Cast Revealed: Rand, Perrin, Mat, and More

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Amazon has revealed the first batch of casting announcements for its adaptation of The Wheel of Time! And it’s nearly the entire cast that kicks off the adventure in The Eye of the World, including Nynaeve, Egwene, and the three central ta’veren: Rand, Mat, and Perrin!

(Note: The comments section for this piece will most likely contain spoilers for The Wheel of Time series.)

 

Josha Stradowski will play Rand al’Thor, the Dragon Reborn, the Car’a’carn, He Who Comes with the Dawn, the Coramoor, Shadowkiller, etc… A figure prophesied to destroy the world as much as he saves it. A relative newcomer, Stradowski has had a few roles in mostly Dutch shorts and TV shows, with his most recent appearance in a feature film being the forthcoming Instinct (2019), starring Game of Thrones‘ Carice van Houten and the Aladdin remake’s Marwan Kenzari.

 

British actor Marcus Rutherford will take on the role of the reliable (and thus constantly annoyed) Perrin Aybara, apprentice blacksmith, dreamwalker, and eventual Wolfbrother. Rutherford played the lead in the 2018 drama Obey, about the 2011 London riots, and will play the role of Sadiq in 2019’s County Lines.

 

Barney Harris, who really really looks like how we imagined Matrim Cauthon, will play Matrim Cauthon, the primary source of comic relief in the series and an odds-defying menace. (In a good way, we promise.) Harris is best known for his role as Sykes in Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk (2016), and has appeared in The Hollow Crown (2016), Billionaire Boys Club, and Clique (2017).

 

Zoë Robins will play Nynaeve al’Meara, an incredibly powerful healer, the appointed Wisdom of her village, and a steely authority in the eyes of Rand, Mat, and Perrin. She is best known for her role as Hayley Roster, the White Ninja Steel Ranger on Power Rangers Ninja Steel, but this isn’t her first epic fantasy adaptation. She also played Zora in the TV version of The Shannara Chronicles.

And: we love that her cast reveal photo included braids.

 

Madeleine Madden will play Egwene al’Vere, a super-powerful channeler who discovers her potential when Moiraine comes to their village, and a person who will grow to make decisions upon which the entire world will turn. Madden’s latest role was as Sammy in Dora and the Lost City of Gold (2019), and she has had parts in Tidelands (2018), Picnic at Hanging Rock (2018), and Tomorrow, When the War Began (2016).

 

These announcements join the initial reveal of Rosamund Pike as Moiraine, the Aes Sedai (i.e.: magic-wielding) character around which the first season of Amazon’s Wheel of Time show will revolve.

Yet to come are the casting decisions for Lan Mandragoran, the loyal Warder of Moiraine, and Thom Merrilin, a gleeman minstrel who finds himself swept up in the proceedings, Elayne Trakand, the princess of Andor, Min Farshaw, a prophet, Loial, the adventurous but anxiety-ridden Ogier, and a whole host of villains.

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5 years ago

YES! It’s happening!I’m trying to keep my expectations low because 90% of book to tv show adaptations are garbage but…spot on casting so far!

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5 years ago

Oh my goodness so excited.  =)

All (to me) relative unknowns, which is exactly what I was hoping for.  Can’t wait to see them on the screen.

It’s getting real.

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5 years ago

agreed with very few exceptions .

niji
5 years ago

I don’t want to have any expectations, but I love the casting so far! 

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5 years ago

niji @@@@@ 5 – right?  I’ve been really trying to keep my expectations low, but everything that’s come out so far has raised them.  This casting is wonderful and it’s hard to not get excited.

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Austin
5 years ago

Perrin with a spoiler LOL

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5 years ago

I need Leigh Butler to weigh in on these castings ASAP :D

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@7:

The Beard? lol.

Mat appears to be a bit odd compared to the rest of the Emond’s Fielders. Its hard to tell with the black and white images, but he’s obviously European, with light skin and light eyes, in other pics I’ve seen. I wonder if Emond’s Field will be more racially diverse than it was in the books, and how that will affect Rand sticking out.

Also, does anyone have height information on these folks? I couldn’t find any on IMDb.

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5 years ago

AP @@@@@ 9 – apparently Rand is 6’2″.  Or 189 cm.

 

EDIT: *And by Rand, I of course meant Josha :)  His height was first thing I looked for.

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@10:

That’s probably workable. That’s two inches taller than Captain America, after all.

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5 years ago

@9, I think @7 is referring to “family taken from him”, but that probably only obvious to those of us who have read the books.

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Adam
5 years ago

Unknown actors is good.

But Tiger Madden is so unknown even Google hasn’t heard of her. Or IMDB.

 

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5 years ago

Too pretty, imo, but maybe it’s just that we’re looking at head shots. I am also wondering how the diversity of this corner of the world will impact the widening of that world that happens in the series. I think it will be interesting if the focus is more on cultural differences, clothing, accents, etc., when they start traveling around the continent. 

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Austin
5 years ago

@12 – He’s telling people his family dies. That happens in book 4. That’s quite a long spoiler.

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Chase Wheatley
5 years ago

@13, you’ll probably have more luck finding her under “Madeleine Madden” :)

 

so excited by all of these announcements!!

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Almuric
5 years ago

That’s a lot of diversity in the gene pool of a remote, isolated region.

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5 years ago

Chase @@@@@ 16, thanks for that.  I was having an impossible time trying to find “Tiger Madden” on Insta…

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Puff the Magic Commenter
5 years ago

@15: Hey, look at you, clarifying a spoiler that was intentionally left vague because it’s—you know—a spoiler. What if someone here is just getting to the end of book three and is just innocently looking at this to see the TV characters? @7’s tease was fine, and @12’s response was completely unnecessary, but you? You need to go sit in the dark and examine your life, bud.

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

So, just re-read through the social media posts…

These are written from Rand’s perspective? At some point in the future? 

It was not about me. It’s never been about me. It was about a man whose family was taken from him, but who stood tall in his sorrow and protected those he could. It was about a woman who refused to believe that she could not help, could not heal those who had been harmed. It was about a hero who insisted with every breath that he was anything but a hero. It was about a woman who would not bend her back while she was beaten, and who shown with a light for all who watched.

Very interesting. I wonder why it was written that way?

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Ravencorp
5 years ago

@20 Unless I misremember, that’s a quote from A Memory of Light. 

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5 years ago

The lines are from the end of A Memory of Light, when Rand is talking to the Dark One.

 

I wanted to see Lan. He’s the next one that appears in that dialogue.

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Tim
5 years ago

@20 That’s actually a speech from Rand in the final book.

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5 years ago

@14 That made me laugh! They are all very pretty but I think our main cast needs to be based on their book descriptions and based on how others react to them throughout the series. My favorite of the bunch judging ONLY from headshots (so not a very good base to judge, I know) is Nynaeve just because I’m imagining a giant braid composed of her beautiful braids in that shot and picturing all the tugs. I hope for her sake they tone that down; when my kids pull my braid it really hurts!

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5 years ago

So am I the only one who looks at that logo and instantly is reminded of:

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5 years ago

I am having confused feelings which are rapidly and strongly growing into excitement and happiness. I love that they are unknown, and a few are quite spot on. Nobody can ever match our head canons 100%, and taking that into account, I think the casting is wonderful. Growing more excited about the show by the minute!

ubiquitine
5 years ago

@14, I sort of agree about the “pretty” factor, but as you said, these are headshots; no reason to think they’ll look the same in the show. I’m optimistic. And yeah, it’s nice to see that the writers aren’t letting themselves be restricted by the ‘genetic’ limitations Jordan used.

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@21,22,23:

Thank you. I’ve only read aMoL once.

michael_hicks
5 years ago

I’m probably projecting a lot onto these headshots, but I can totally picture these five as the main cast! And I’m fine with just saying that Manetheren took in a lot of refugees from other countries during the Trolloc Wars that settled there afterwards, if it means picking the right folks for the main cast and not worrying too much about matching the descriptions of ethnicity in the books.

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CultistIV
5 years ago

@20: The snippets are quotes from the last book, so bingo on the future part. They come from a really great scene too so I would definitely recommend reading the series before the show comes out. 

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@25:

The irony of that is this is one project that Disney has no part in at any level, from pre-production, to production, to distribution.

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5 years ago

Hope Marcus Rutherford likes the gym…

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5 years ago

AP @@@@@ 28 – Glad to know I’m not the only one that didn’t catch that.  I thought that was something written up for the show, very much did not realize it was from the books!!

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Chris Warnke
5 years ago

Well, Perrin i thought was supposed to be about a block wide.  Huge and burly.  Then again, he was also the least interesting character in the series, so…  Is this guy bigger than he looks?  The rest, in B&W?  hmmm.  Rand has red hair and is tall.  Supposed to be attractive.  Then again, they are all supposed to be attractive except maybe Perrin who was more burly than traditionally handsome.  But this really kind makes the casting for the Mayene ruler difficult, since she was supposed to put these others to shame.  

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Always a Tartar
5 years ago

I have a suspicion this will be as bad as The Shannara Chronicles. Please dear God don’t be as bad as The Shannara Chronicles.

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Bob C
5 years ago

NEVER posted about anything online like this.  But……..  WoT has been in my life since it first came out.  I am loving the cast and i agree there is not reason to be worried about ethnicity when casting as the world they live in was torn apart by the Breaking of the World.  As long as they can act their parts, it’s all good.  

In regards to their looks, i believe they had all been (the main 5) commented on throughout the books as being good looking individuals.  So if they are easy on the eyes, so be it.  In my opinion, that fits.

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@34:

But this really kind makes the casting for the Mayene ruler difficult, since she was supposed to put these others to shame.  

 
 

That was always going to be an issue. There is no centralized standard for beauty and no one was ever going to agree that one lady was more beautiful than all the rest. And RJ describes every one of them as the most beautiful thing ever at various times, depending on which character PoV we are in.

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5 years ago

Very excited and I also thought, “Hey, at least she has braids” when I saw Nyneave, heh. She’s the one I’m most interested in.

I’ve never heard of any of these actors/actresses, but that’s a good thing!

Also, great catch on where the speech comes from – I totally missed that!

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Steve
5 years ago

Wow, casting by MTV. This looks like Shanarra Chronicles 2.0. And Zoe was even in that Trainwreck, too! 

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5 years ago

Guess I am going to be watching Power Rangers Ninja Steel, The Hollow Crown, Obey, Just Friends and the Dora movie in the near future…

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5 years ago

Lanfear and Galad are supposed to be the most beautiful woman/man.

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sirshreddly
5 years ago

Is this some kind of joke!? This is truly inconceivable… What an epic display of failure. How could Amazon butcher a casting of WOT this terribly.. UNSUBSCRIBE! Way to ruin anyone who’s read the series day, TOTAL BS!

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John
5 years ago

@43 I feel like Lanfear was always cheating and I question whether she was really ever that beautiful.

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Wotfan
5 years ago

This cast make no sense.  

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5 years ago

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5 years ago

Extreme interesting! 

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Jon
5 years ago

The Nynaeve actress is gorgeous! 

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fripp21
5 years ago

Josha Stradowski is 24 years old which is very good. The actors shouldn’t be too young as their characters will grow immensely during the series, right. If the series is up to 10 years before ending, Josha will be mid 30s and that will be ok for the place Rand is in the end of the story. Of the others, Egwene is the one who grows most, from 16-ish to very much more mature in all ways possible by the end… How old is Madeleine Madden? 22 years old. Seems good enough.

Zoë Robins is 26, so relative Rand and Egwene, it’s ok. Now she just have to not getting any signs of age during the next decade! :-)

I can’t find all the actors age. Mat? Perrin?

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Steven hedge
5 years ago

while i havent heard of any of these actors, I dont think its right to doomsay. Harriet and team jordan will be on top of this to make sure its a good adaptation. Also, i am rather confused at everyone saying that they are too good looking to be the characters. Every single one of them in the book is stated to be good looking, even mat. In book two theres a section where Leane is admiring both rand and perrin on their looks. Even mat gets several glances by girls throughout the series. Nynaneve and egwene are stated to be very pretty young women. 

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5 years ago

@53 of course not a problem that they are beautiful. But what I think I and maybe some may be thinking is that we REALLY don’t want this to be a “young adult” (Twilight/Maze runner etc) thing. I really hope the show will be adult, dark, violent and deeply dramatic, and certainly not for kids. I got a small, small YA vibe by the black and white head shots…

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5 years ago

As long as they don’t make Fain extremely good looking, right!?

Also I really can’t wait to see who they cast as Lan.

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5 years ago

I’m excited about this but…Mr. Stubby, you need to watch out for significant spoilers in your own summary.  Yikes.  

theresa_delucci
5 years ago

Madeleine Madden did a great job in Picnic at Hanging Rock. Looking forward to seeing her in this.

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5 years ago

I am rather impressed; I applaud the desire to make the cast somewhat diverse, so far.  And I love the fact that the shot of Nynaeve’s actress was one with her having braids!  Maybe they actually will cast someone of Asian descent for Lan.  Here’s hoping!

Yonni
5 years ago

@35 It seems impossible that anything could be as bad as the Shannara Chronicles. That wasn’t even fun to hatewatch. 

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Masha
5 years ago

@55 Lan actor should look at least 40, since in the book he is in his 50s in good fighting shape to correspond to his fame as best swordsman ever!

Fain could be any shape and form as long as he looks untrustworthy and crazy.

Besides, there is enough Forsaken to fill their quota of beautiful evil people of all races.

I am more interested in Loial.

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5 years ago

I never imagined the sleepy village of Emond’s Field as racially diverse (This is not a criticism or a complaint.).  But I guess you could say it got that way in former days when it was part of Manetheren and then Artur’s empire.  

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Stuck in Winter's Heart
5 years ago

I kind of facepalmed when I saw this. I’m hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. As many have said almost all of the casting choices don’t fit the book descriptions and most of these actors don’t have much experience, especially the guy playing Perrin. I can only hope that Brandon is helping the writers deliver a well adapted version of WOT. I’m trying to remain positive, I hope these people can act and are likable. except Nynaeve, she was never likable, lol.

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John
5 years ago

@53 Curious why you say even Mat (twice) with regards to looks.  From reading the books I always got the impression he was the best looking of the three.

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Rayna
5 years ago

You think the cast is correct? Have you read the books!? Rand is supposed to be taller than everyone else. He’s supposed to look similar to Aiel than anyone, and Aiel are the darker skinned people (cause duh, they are in the sun all the time and no shade). Perrin is supposed to be taller than Mat, and is also supposed to look like a big muscular person because if being a blacksmith. I was exciteed for this tv show. Now im just getting disappointed.

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Steven Hedge
5 years ago

@63 mostly because there are scenes in the book when mat and rand are together and most girls seem more attrached to rand. Than again these are the scenes when hes being affected by the dagger, so that makes sense. More that the narrative seemed to be pushing rand as more attractive.

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5 years ago

I’m of the opinion that the Two Rivers people were not exactly white in the books. But also I think they weren’t diverse as well. So they would be uniformly, like, Arab, but with English culture, not as diverse as this cast (which has African Americans, European American, European (Danish), Aboriginal Australian, etc). But I can see what Rafe is doing, he’s following one of the principles he tweeted at the beginning of this process, that Randland is Earth in our future and therefore should be very, very diverse.

I think Jordan put most of his countries as different than what people expected, with culture and color not matching. So we have Irish-looking Aiel that have Native American, Zulu and Japanese cultural practices or a blue eyed Lan that has a katana and speaks a haiku before an attack on trollocs. But only Seanchan would be truly diverse, with people of every color together under the Empress (may she live forever). Something of that will be lost in the adaptation, since it seems the Two Rivers is diverse, with light and dark skinned actors. In the books, Rand was the only light skinned person in the village.

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5 years ago

@60: Lan is 45 when the events of Eye of the World happen; 47 by the time A Memory of Light happens (Brandon wasn’t as strict with the timelines as Jordan was, and the time-dilation effects of Shayol Ghul in A Memory of Light makes it difficult to determine exactly how long a timespan that book covers, but it’s safe to say that the series ends sometime in late summer / early fall of 1000NE). 

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DG
5 years ago

Shouldn’t Perin be sort of like a fireplug? Like stocky and shorter? Beefy, like a blacksmith, with big arms? This guy seems too slight and too tall. Maybe they’ll bulk him up with a trainer?

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5 years ago

DG @@@@@ 68 – I do agree with you, but apparently that’s not what we’re getting.  It’s bothering me more than it should!!  He’s 6’5″, 3 inches taller than Rand which…not ideal, but I guess you can’t get everything.

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Masha
5 years ago

One of the hardest casting will, should be, Thom. Described as old (yes, yes, to teenagers everyone over 30 is old!) But he us described as being older than Morgase who is around 40. Thom must be athletic (easily doing handstands could be waived but not skills with knives), has beautiful voice ( think Morgan Freeman) described as sonorous to tell ballads (poems), sing and juggle! I hope they won’t pick young, smooth skinned guy and attach those white Mexican-style mustaches to him.

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5 years ago

@64 Rayna

 

The Aiel are light skinned. Jordan has described them so, and in several interviews he said he wanted to put Irish-looking people in a desert because he was tired of seeing every author describind desert people one way. So that’s why there’s only one dark-haired Aiel wise one (Alarys of the Shaido).

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liz
5 years ago

I’m far more concerned with the writing than the actors, especially their physical characteristics. I hope they can act, but primarily this is going to live or die by how they adapt the series.  Good Omens did a good job, but Gaiman’s said that he’s learned a lot from other adaptations of his works over the years about what works and what doesn’t. I just hope these folks have some idea of what to do. It’s not an easy task. 

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5 years ago

I am so here for this. Relative unknowns. Right age ranges. Mat is spot on! Loving that Perrin and Nynaeve aren’t white. Can’t wait to see them all in costume and on set.

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Roland
5 years ago

I hope they get this right, was a fan of the shannara books but the TV series was terrible and was not like the books at all.

 

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5 years ago

I love that Emond’s Field has people of color . . . but given how secluded it is, I feel like Mat being white just doesn’t work for me. He looks pretty much just like I imagine Mat to look in Eye of the World, but I’d rather have a consistent dark skinned Emond’s Field than a Mat that looks perfect.

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SCMof2814
5 years ago

Nynaeve is a Power Ranger… Damn you casting for playing with my heart like this!

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5 years ago

I think the casting team did a bang up job and I am now even more excited (which I didn’t know was possible). I am wuickly falling in love with this cast. I can’t wait to see them on the screen.

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Gregg Murray
5 years ago

Of all the adaptations this is the one where racial diversity makes the most sense.  The world was broken and the people scattered, mixed up.  Easily fits into the lore.  

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IronStew
5 years ago

Love that they went with relative unknowns but…other then Mat, I’m kind of hating their choices. Not matching up with book descriptions aside, none of these headshots communicates what I feel to be the essence of their character. Others have mentioned the MTV feel of these choices, and I’ll just leave it that I concur.

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CSB
5 years ago

First time commenting on a site but I’m such a diehard WOT fan, just saw this post via @wot_spoilers (podcast) on Instagram.

My initial thoughts as a diehard fan based on the casts looks: pumped about all except Rand, too pretty, too small, and if his hair isn’t dark red in the opening, I’m out. This is one series I can’t watch with any “artistic freedom”. But because it’s being made, I’m still thrilled and wish them every success! I hope this becomes the most successful tv show ever made!

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TSPSweeney
5 years ago

The physical appearance of the actors is the literal least important part of adapting any written work. People that are looking at casting head shots or skin colour and deciding the series is ruined are just insane.

 

For me, this all looks pretty good to me.  Hopefully the relative unknowns prove to be good actors and are given good material as well.  Regardless, it’s exciting to see. 

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Cilliers Marais
5 years ago

I’m sad and subdued. Only Mat looks remotely like what I imagined. Guess now that all my expectations are crushed it can only get better from here on out…

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Devon nugent
5 years ago

Love the books i tell everyone i know about them like some other comments on here i just home they stay true to the books

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Ajailyn
5 years ago

Why are we saying princess of andor?  That’s not her title Tor..  do better.

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Red
5 years ago

The actor playing Perrin needs to bulk up. He doesnt look like a blacksmith’s apprentice. 

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5 years ago

Loving most of them except Rand. Not sure why not. Maybe I still see Erik Stoltz in the role (yes that dates me lol)

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5 years ago

Love that they cast a fellow Dutchie as Rand (and can’t believe I never saw that coming: when in need of a tall guy, there’s rich pickings here in Holland!)

I cannot wait for the first season to come out… Very curious what they’re going to make of this! The cast so far looks more or less the way I imagined. They’ll never look exactly as they did in my head, but I can definitely recognise the characters in these actors. The group is more diverse than I imagined (maybe Mat stands out more than Rand does, based on that), but as long as they make the story work and the characters feel as they did in the books… I’m all right with any casting choice they make!

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Temujan
5 years ago

Mat is spot on to my headcanon! I had doubts about Perrin, but from what I have seen from Obey today he can pull off the used to being strong body language. Egwene and Nyn I liked initially but the more I have seen of them in clips the less I like them, but they will have a good mentor in Pike.

Rand looks pretty good, but he better be ginger… if he gets brunette/blonde-washed it will be pretty hypocritical of them to promote diversity and then strip the diversity from their main character

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Tom
5 years ago

It’s almost as if the the people doing the casting have never even read the description of the characters. 

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5 years ago

Not regarding to these five, but something that just occurred to me reading the comments: I think Robert Knepper would make a superb Padan Fain.

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Paul Nelson
5 years ago

So a few things- anyone saying that they need to go back and read the character descriptions, you might want to go back and check it yourself. Skin tone is mentioned in passing, but narratively doesn’t matter. Only three things matter:

1- Rand is an outlander (him being redhead is enough)

2- Rand is recognized as Aiel

3- Characters are true to their personalities

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

@64:

Not sure where you got that from. In The Eye of the World, Morgase comments how Rand isn’t from the two rivers with “that pale skin and red hair”, and others comment he looks like an Aielman all throughout the book. With his pale skin and red hair. Morgase then goes on to describe the Two Rivers people as several shades darker than Rand. Amongst themselves, the Two Rivers people only note that Rand has a fairer complexion compared to them. There is no description of their skin tone beyond that. But the Aiel are described several times as pale-skinned where not exposed to the sun. We get those descriptions in the sweat tents.

I will admit that these people are darker than my mental image. I was thinking more Middle Eastern/Mediterranean/latino complexions, and the two ladies are aboriginal Australian and New Zealanders — more what I imagined the Sea Folk would look like. But its not so far off that I think anyone should care. 

And the actor playing Rand is 6’2″. He’s likely 3-4 inches taller than the actor playing Perrin. I don’t know about Mat. He has light blue/gray eyes. It’s a good likeness.

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Mack
5 years ago

I for one, am thrilled with the casting of the Planeteers. I can’t wait to see who they cast as Captain Planet.

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Josh A
5 years ago

While the decision to change the Emond’s Fielders to be more racially diverse is understandable in today’s world, I think we need to realize this has vast implications of this, which is to say this show will be very different from the WoT we all know. I don’t even expect the same plot line anymore.

This by default alters the whole cultural landscape of Randland, not least of which is the entire Aiel people. Of course, it’s probably more accurate that people living in the desert would NOT be fair-skinned and red-haired. If Randland were more like medieval history, his village should have all been fair-haired and he should have looked more Arab. 

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Paul Nelson
5 years ago

@99- Firstly, it doesn’t have any implications as to anything.

Secondly- the Aiel are described as Pale redheads lol 

Read comment 96

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Dan
5 years ago

Cast not looking good glad i keep my expectations low

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Jason Mayfield
5 years ago

 Nynaeve had one long braid! 

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5 years ago

As usual, the cast is a lot prettier than expected. And, in this particular case, it is apparent that the casting director priority was “luscious lips.” Like, all the way.

The diversity is much appreciated, though.

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5 years ago

Based on appearance alone, I think the casting looks fine. I feel sorry for the people who are expecting the show to be a fairly accurate depiction of the books. It’s just not going to happen. The characters aren’t going to look like their descriptions in the books, lines of dialogue or key phrases that you think are important in the books won’t even be mentioned in the show. I’m 50/50 right now on whether this show will be closer to a Game of Thrones adaptation or a Legend of the Seeker adaptation. Just be thankful for every single % closer to the books the show gets, because it’s not going to be as much as you wish.

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Deusdictum
5 years ago

Color versions of the photos can be found here, albeit horizontally cropped and smooshed together:

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/wheel-of-time-series-amazon-rand-althor-josha-stadowski-perrin-marcus-rutherford-1203302153/

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5 years ago

So it really says “and who shown with a light for all who watched” in the book? Shown? Not shone?

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Jade Phoenix
5 years ago

I wonder if having Mat stick out so much is a bit of a red herring for Moiraine, since if everyone in the Two Rivers was as dark-skinned as Egwene and Nynaeve, it would be pretty hard to believe that she couldn’t IMMEDIATELY identify Rand as the one she was looking for.

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Wayne KEARNEY
5 years ago

I agree with the other comments that the diversity displayed in the casting is certainly NOT a reflection of a long-isolated corner of a continent. So we will not get a spot on depiction of the book. HOWEVER, I love the diversity displayed in the casting. I think it will make for wonderful watching. Can’t wait. 

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5 years ago

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5 years ago

I thunk a lot of people defaulted to 16th century European style villages when they read Wot.  My take is the Breaking literally “broke” the world in every way meaning nations eradicated, families split and lost…llost…like after a nuclear holocaust.  In the years after the event humanity huddled together wherever they found each other regardless of race, former nationality, etc.  Hence you had RJ’s village settings of the populace of one community being of differing heritage but becoming one unit nevertheless.  At least that’s my take and acceptance on both the written work and the current cast members.

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Dre
5 years ago

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( I’m already extremely disappointed. This better not turn out like the series they made of Terry Goodkind’s Sword of Truth books, the worst crossover ever. 

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5 years ago

From the book description, the Two Rivers people have tan skin, dark eyes and dark hair – to such a degree that Rand and his adoptive mother were the _only_ light-eyed, light-skinned and light-haired people in the whole region! How do the people figure that they were totally, definitely not PoC in the series? I agree that it would have been truer to the text if the casting had been more homogene – but it is Mat’s casting that is the problem with that, not that of the others.

Oh, and Rosamund Pike looks nothing like book Moiraine, yet nearly everybody is fine with it.

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lh
5 years ago

I have read this series so many times and have imagined how these folks look while reading. Some of the statements I agree with, some i do not. However, I must say I am a bit disappointed in the folks chosen to play the Edmond Fielders thus far. In my reading, again, oh so many times because i love this Story and it’s World, I NEVER imagined any of them as dark skinned. Maybe darkened by the sun and wind but not as shown above. Perrin, I agree is NOT a good match. Nynaeve hmm just not happy with this choice; mat maybe ok; Rand.. hope this guy likes wearing lifters in his shoes because he definitely IS NOT tall enough-just not that happy with the others either. just do not match what i “saw” while reading. Was so looking forward to this series but am now not sure if i will even bother to watch it – I love the books exactly as written and trying to make the books/story fit around these actors does not do it for me. and Lan – how about Liam Nielson (SP?) or is he too old now? Thom – hard one to fit; fain – the guy in the Hobbit series was good at that part and costuming was awesome – maybe? sorry so long. Doubt I will watch this series now. Sorry guys. Carry on!

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benr
5 years ago

With make-up it will be easy enough to give Rand red hair; that will differentiate him from the other Two Rivers folks who are dark, as described by Morgase when she meets Rand. I’m getting excited, too. Man, maybe 10% of what Jordan wrote could even possibly be included in this, and that doesn’t account for whatever changes are made.

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5 years ago

Mariainlowa @107, mine says “shone” (reread this part just this morning). I think it is just an accidental typo.

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Lillian
5 years ago

1. I find it amusing how many people missed that the Aiel are basically Irish in coloring.

2. Even more amusing how many people missed that Gaul, Bain or Chiad comment to Perrin at one point that they’d never seen black eyes until they came to the Wetlands. Also that EVERYONE in Emond’s Field has dark eyes (in contrast with Rand.)

3. Re Mat being a little too white to match – Keep in mind a lot can be done with make-up & wigs. Darken him a bit and he will just appear to be on one end of a spectrum.

4. I have no mind’s eye so I have no experience of imagining what a character looks like from a book description. I think the problem might be from the cover art – both the old and new version – did not really make Rand look different from the people of his village. Except for red hair. But that’s not in keeping with the constant confusion he causes having an Andoran accent with Aiel coloring.  

5.  There are multiple comments that the Andoran royal line looks almost Aiel. This is often referenced in presumed contrast with the look of their subjects. Morgase & Elayne are blondes with light skin. 

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Jade Phoenix
5 years ago

@123 It’s not that surprising that people didn’t pick up on the Aiel’s race, since it doesn’t really make a ton of sense for a people that have been living in a desert for 2500 years.

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Austin
5 years ago

@123 – “3. Re Mat being a little too white to match – Keep in mind a lot can be done with make-up & wigs. Darken him a bit and he will just appear to be on one end of a spectrum.”

Whoa, wait, what??? Are you suggesting blackface? Seriously? 

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briarcat
5 years ago

About what I should have expected–90210 when the Scooby gang would have been closer. Is there much hope that the writers will outdo the casting? 

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5 years ago

To echo a few comments here: The 2 Rivers people in general are described as “dark of hair and eye” and skin noticeably darker than Rand’s.  Other than Rand, the Superkids are each described on separate occasions as having brown eyes and brown hair, just as there are multiple occurrences of Rand’s complexion being rather lighter than theirs. 

If there is a description of any of our Superkids that identifies them as a certain shade, I’d appreciate someone pointing it out to the group. Otherwise, it seems that those who have issues with the casting may be bringing their own biases into the mix.  Which is fine; more power to them (and admittedly, the book covers didn’t help matters). 

But some of this is starting to parallel some of the comments made about Rue and Cinna’s casting in the Hunger Games movie several years ago.  And that’s not a good look, in my opinion.  

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Careless
5 years ago

@123 no, they’re not putting Matt in blackface. 

Like some others, my first thought when seeing this was “oh no, this is reminding me of The Shannara Chronicles.” And then you run into an actress who was actually in it. 

Oh well, just have to wait and see how it turns out

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Joe Nelson
5 years ago

Interesting casting choice. Not complaining, as I just have to remind myself that the first and primary reason for making this (or any mass market) show is to make money. In order to do that, people need to watch the show, therefore every race and sexual orientation will need to be present in the main cast of characters. That just makes good business sense. Makes me wonder which of the main cast will be LGBTQ+. Maybe Mat? Or will they save that for Berelain?

Again, not complaining or trolling. The showrunners for GoT upped the sexuality, diversity, etc… my thoughts and comments are honest, as I do think that these show runners will follow suit with what GoT did. My only dispute with this cast is I would want a stockier Perrin.

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5 years ago

I’m really enjoying the twin threads of “I hate this because I ignored the descriptions in the book and imagined every character to be WASP-ish” and “Oh great they’re going to make it a YA show because they cast young actors to play young characters”.

 

 

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Lillian
5 years ago

@128 I wasn’t suggesting blackface. I was more thinking more of contouring so that he would’t be quite so distinct from his fellow villagers. 

You can do amazing things with it. Check out https://www.youtube.com/user/gossmakeupartist

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5 years ago

@@@@@ 125: I suppose there is a lot of territory to cover between making someone looks darker, in the sense of dark hair and  tanned skin, and blackface, which is a very different and rather fraught issue.

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Lillian
5 years ago

Sorry, I see where “darken him a bit” would =  “blackface”. It wasn’t what I was thinking but sometimes we don’t choose the right words to express the thoughts in our heads.

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Masha
5 years ago

@133 I saw color pictures of Mat’s actor, in some of them he looks mediterranean type. Good tan will let him blend in (unless he has light eyes/hair). As for Perrin, he was always described as big, so I assumed both tall and muscular. As long as actor doesn’t look slimmer than the rest of the boys.

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M Shipley
5 years ago

SOrry never pictured Perrin as a black guy when I read the books

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5 years ago

I just don’t like Perrin being taller than Rand!!  Haha, that is messing with my mind.  Oh well.  That’s the only real issue I have with the casting though.  So I’ll be ok.  =)

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Jeremy M
5 years ago

As I expected coming into this article, I find myself fairly neutral about these choices.  Honestly knowing who they cast practically tells us nothing about the quality of the producing.  That will all depend on acting skill, writing talent, and directing choices.  Visually, I’m fairly satisfied with the actors chosen.  They’re young, and would have to be if they wanted to stay faithful.

Despite many complaints to contrary, I think they look pretty reasonable for their individual roles.  Perrin may not look like a Blacksmith’s apprentice in that headshot, but he does look substantially bulkier than the rest of the cast, so it’s in the right direction.  At the end of the day though, options when casting leads are limited, and I would take someone who can be Egwene al’Vere over someone who looks like Egwene al’Vere every time.

A quick note in response to the diversity question though, I do feel like a few of the complaints here have some merit, but let me back that up quickly.  (Spoilers): Manetheren was destroyed in 1200 AB and the Two Rivers region almost immediately sunk into obscurity, almost any genetic diversity that would have been there needed to be there at that point (very little would be added from then to the start of the show).  That means that 2,253 years have past since any diversity has been meaningfully injected into the Two Rivers.  Assuming a age of maturity of approx. 23 years (this is generous, given what we see in tEofW, it’s probably closer to 20), that is 98 generations…. In a population of under 1000 (based on the descriptions of Emond’s Field, Deven Ride, Watch Hill, and Taren Ferry).  Managing to maintaining a population of 4 distinct ethnic groups (as we see in this cast) in those conditions…. stretches credulity a bit.

Now, I’m not saying this somehow kills the show, in fact, I personally couldn’t care less, but it’s important to acknowledge  – at least – that this is a pretty unlikely set of people to live in a rural town in the middle of nowhere, even given the Breaking.  In fact, I would go so far as to say that if they had tried to cast a completely heterogeneous group for the main cast, it would be shooting themselves in the foot; making it harder to find actual good talent.  Though I suppose it remains to be seen if they managed that.  Let’s all hope they have!

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5 years ago

@60   Lance Henriksen about 20  or 25 years ago would have been perfect for Lan, I think.

@61  Even if Emond Fields became racially diverse during/after the breaking, it’s been thousands of years.  It’s even been thousands of years since Manatheren fell.   That racial diversity would have been largely mixed away by now into something a bit more uniform, I think.   Not certain about how the genetics of appearance features works though.  Maybe diverse traits would keep popping back out as the genes do their recombination dance.   

But it doesn’t really matter as long as they chose good actors for the roles.

@70  Strange suggestion, but consider it — how about Antonio Banderas for Thom?    I would not have considered him, but watch his performance in “The Expendables 3” and that character he plays, played seriously instead of for LOLs and with a few tweaks, would be a great Thom.

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5 years ago

I like the casting… not exactly my head cannon, but follows the description close enough.  Actors don’t turn their work into Shannara Chronicles… they do what the director tells them to do… It the director says “that’s good enough” and it stinks, it’s the directors fault…  If the dialog is stilted or inane, the writers have failed… Shannara was a cheap, poor, sad adaption.  

My opinion on the actors is limited… Marcus (Perrin) did well in a trailer and teaser on IMDB.  He’s very tall.  Saw a bit with Madeleine (Egwene).  She played in Tidelands on Netflix currently.    Barney (Matrim) I think is Mediterranean… in some pictures looks more tan… His eyes look hazel so not cannon, but he looks like a prankster to me…  Both ladies from Emond’s field are taller than cannon too, does that mean something to somebody?  Does it bother people that Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise and Robert Downey Jr. are like in the lowest 10% height for men?  Did you get angry that Emma Watson wasn’t a plain girl with bushy hair?  I’m just excited they are getting closer to production… try to stay positive.

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5 years ago

I’m very happy I’ve not heard of any of these actors.* Starting with relative unknowns would always have been my preference for the core ta’veren and supergirls cast.  Amazon & the showrunners are taking this seriously, I trust them to find actors who can do justice to the material.

Ages seem close enough too, given they were never going to cast actual teenagers – and Zoe’s age is pretty spot-on for Nynaeve.

As for all the comments that are variations on a theme of “O noes, the show is ruined, not gonna watch now” – seriously? 

The show is not going to live or die on the casting alone. As others have pointed out, the writing & production is at least as important, probably more so. 

Final point: any tv or movie adaptation of literature is just that, an adaptation. There are always going to be changes. If you can’t deal with that, and want to see some sort of slavish note-for-note recreation of the books, then you’re going to be in for a world of disappointment.† 

And if somehow you did get that, it would be absolutely awful. The medium matters.  Clearly, none of us fans will ever be able to view the show totally in isolation, but we should do our best to judge it on its own merits.

* That maybe says more about me than about their previous work, admittedly…

† I speak with the zeal of the converted here. :-) Distinctly remember a discussion on rasfwr-j some 20 odd years ago where I bemoaned the absence of Tom Bombadil from the LOTR movies.  Happily, for my enjoyment of media since, I got over myself. 

 

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Jon
5 years ago

I have mixed feelings. I loved this series, but I loved the Shannara series, as well. MTV butchered that. Even though the series didn’t last, producers of today won’t learn from it. It’s too early to judge based simply on the cast. The question is, have the producers and directors read the books? This show won’t make it if they chase the RJ fans right away. That will only leave viewers unfamiliar with the books and Amazon is a streaming service. I guess time will tell. Will wait for the previews. Best of luck, everyone.

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Kihe Blackeagle
5 years ago

Visually, the choice for Perrin is the most jangling to me.  (The actor reminds me too closely of Tyr Anasazi [ANDROMEDA, apologies I’m not pulling up the actor’s name].)

Matrim appears spot-on to me.  At least short of putting a staff in his mitts….

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Jordan
5 years ago

I don’t think these characters make much sense to fans of the book and though the show might turn out good still, it’s got to be a concern starting out changing characteristics of major characters, based on poorly done recent screen adaptations of successful stories written decades ago.

Robert Jordan’s own notes show he visualized Egwene as Audrey Hepburn, Perrin as Val Kilmer, Nynaeve as Jacqueline Bisset. The TV series cast don’t resemble what Jordan was trying to convey. Just look at the original covers of the books even. These books were written a fair number of years ago and I don’t think younger readers understand what descriptions meant to people back then. For instance tall dark and handsome was used to denote a tall white guy with brown or black hair, it’s used in tons of older movies and shows.

If the storyline is kept close to Jordan’s it still should be good even if the characters are reinvisioned a little. But I can understand why so many fans are concerned about how far the story will be changed.

moiraine_damodred
5 years ago

So far, I am very pleased with the casting. Let us hope that trend continues. Bring on the next batch of announcements.

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Gregor Lewis
5 years ago

Interesting choices.

Perrin was always going to be a difficult casting decision based on looks alone, given the age requirement. I’m happy to wait and see what the actor brings to the role. All the actors.

With respect to height, as long as Rand is distinctively tall, it shouldn’t really matter if Perrin as cast, is taller.

i will also be interested to see what they make of the setup regarding Rand’s looks in contrast to his speech. For mine, as long as that is conveyed successfully, having a diverse looking remaining Cast of Heroes isn’t a barrier to success. The easiest way to do it would be to clearly restrict Aiel looks as being condidered extremely rarewest of the Dragonwall, so that both Rand & those cast in the Andoran Royal Family fulfil their intrinsic requirements to the plot.

The rest of the Nations outside the Borderlands don’t really need pigeonholing on looks alone, given how distinctive their speech & costuming are. I’m very curious to see how accents are replicated in the show.

So in conclusion, I don’t see anything to get too upset about. Just curious to see what they make of it.

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5 years ago

@135  I never envisioned at multi-ethnic Two Rivers either… All books and movies of medieval fantasy always played like Europe of myth and fairytales… but when that question was floated to me in a forum…if Emond’s field is multi-ethnic which main character should be different… I immediately thought Perrin… because of John Henry… the African American myth about a man born to hammer…

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5 years ago

Well, setting aside the (far too many) comments on the diversity of the cast and whether or not one thinks that is a good or bad thing, I can’t glean much positive or negative from this announcement.  It was, IMHO, always a given that most of the TR crew would be relative unknowns.  My main fear is that we get something akin to The Shannara Chronicles, or Shannara Chronicles with a hard R to get the GOT crowd.  I see nothing here to particularly confirm or allay those fears.  Though the problem with casting unknowns tends to be that they don’t have a whole lot of experience and you don’t really know what you’ll get, but it worked for George Lucas.  And wasn’t the actress who played Luna Lovegood in the Harry Potter films a non-actor who really pushed for the role and somehow got in?  Or am I remembering that wrong?

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Ken Jack
5 years ago

To the comments regarding Marcus Rutherford as Perrin.  Rafe said he entered the audition, read his scene, and drew people to tears.

On. A. Cold. Read. (Mic drop)

Perrin is the character who must be the best actor, because so much of his growth is internalized.  He’s my favourite character, and the fact they got a young actor with this kind of presence does more than anything to assure me that this series will be epic.  

As a WOT community, we need to shelve our predetermined hobbyhorses and soapboxes.  I want this to be the next Star Wars for fans old and new, not the second trilogy where fan outrage broke Lucas’ heart. This is a new turning to our Wheel of Time, a NEW beginning.  Let’s enjoy the story again for the first time.

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Paul
5 years ago

for those concerned about the headshots and how everyone looks compared to their mental image, look up Emilia Clarke from 2010. Now imagine seeing one of her headshots and being told she was cast as Daenerys. 

Who knows how they are going to look once costuming and makeup are done. 

Personally, I am FAR more concerned about the writing and directing than I am about some headshots that were taken to make the actors look distinctive and attractive to producers. 

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5 years ago

Please tell me that Robert Jordan’s widow is being a consultant on this project.  It feels to me that she had a strong influence on the behaviors and appearances of the female characters in all the books except the disappoints of the last 3 books, that Sanderson wrote, which appeared to have no real knowledge of female thoughts or behaviors.  Wheel of Time is NOT a male only story line.  It is balanced rather well between the two sexes, even among different races.  If the movie does not have that same balance, it will fail no matter who plays the roles.

(P.S. I really want to be wowed by the costuming as my mind created each and every dress in each and every land.) 

 

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5 years ago

John Henry is one of the Heroes of the Horn you know.

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Benjamin Baldwin
5 years ago

I think they did a pretty good job here with one exception Perrin is supposed to be huge. I don’t care what color anyone is or how “pretty they are “ but Perrin whole character is a huge blacksmith apprentice 

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5 years ago

@143

 

Those notes are bogus, fake.

 

Read The Eye if the World.

 

Chapter 2: Rand is astounded that he met two people with blue eyes in the same day (Thom and Lan). He remarks that everyone in the Two Rivers except for him has dark eyes, remembers how he was bullied by Congars and Coplins for having grey eyes, which only a few merchants and their guards had.

 

So how can Jacqueline Bisset be Nynaeve? Look at any picture of Bisset, she has striking blue eyes!

 

Chapter 31: Rand compares Mistress Grinwell to Mistress Al’Vere. The difference? Grinwell has yellow hair, something Rand had never seen before in his life.

 

How can then Perrin be played by Val Kilmer, a very, very blonde actor?

 

Jordan had the choice of any actor living or dead. The grave was no bar to his casting in this supposed list. And yet he contradicts two stuff that he wrote himself in the Eye of the World.

 

So to me that cast list is bogus.

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Billy
5 years ago

I was so excited about this series, but for me the casting is so bad I don’t think I can watch it. 😩

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Matt
5 years ago

Absolutely horribly totally completely and outrageously disappointed in all of these. This is the worst casting that I have ever seen for anything ever.  Matt is the only one that even remotely closely even a little bit resembles any of the descriptions in the books. Done.

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5 years ago

I’m not sure about the actor playing Rand Al’Thor, Rand is red head. Otherwise I’m fine with the rest of the cast. I just want to start watching. I also hope they try to stay close to the novels. I don’t want to see another Earthsea.

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Yetizod
5 years ago

The Two Rivers – a very small isolated community cut off from the world for some 2,000 years.  Where Rand Al’Thor can slip by basically without comment due to his farmers tan, and only be notably “odd” looking because of his hair and eye color, and height.  This casting is ridiculous.  This is a racially homogeneous area.  There are plenty of other races in Randland, but not in Emonds field.  Where an Aiel boy, can basically pass with everyone believing he could be from that area.  Including himself.  As it stands with this casting, Moraine ought to be able to ride into the village and instantly be like –> “Hey you, tall white guy.   You MUST be the one i’m looking for.”  

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5 years ago

I think that it is all in all a reasonable decision to do away with the ethnic homogenity of Emond’s Field and Rand’s NBA player height. The former never made much sense from a world building point of view and the latter was never completely accounted for in the books anyway. And while all Aiel beeing very tall is part of the explanation for their combat prowess compared to other warrior cultures it would have been very difficult to cast them all accordingly.

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5 years ago

“Too pretty” is definitely one of the weirder criticisms to be made in the casting of characters who ALL manage to attract *at least* one member of royalty, apiece.

 

 

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5 years ago

@159
Actually it is the other way around. In the books Rand has a different hair color and is much taller than everybody else from Emond’s Field. He is cleary of foreign heritage. If the tv version has Emond’s Field as ethnically mixed community this is much less certain.

@161
Yes, nearly all of the books characters are pretty or beautiful. There several instances of most beautiful women someon has ever seen…

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Austin
5 years ago

@159 – Moiraine has no idea what the Dragon Reborn looks like or what his parents looked like. All she knows is that he was reborn. Otherwise, she would have known he would be Aiel and would have instantly recognized Rand as the one.

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5 years ago

Regarding the comments about how homogeneous Edmond’s Field is, could that even be possible?  Isolated community, probably about 1,000 people, and 2,000 years have passed.  If they are truly that isolated, then there would be a LOT of inbreeding, and the genetic problems that go with that.  The only way that community can survive that long would be to have fresh infusions of genes every so often.  And that would easily explain some variation in the main characters.

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Glenn
5 years ago

The casting may presage what the show will be like. It looks to fall on the dramatic side to me.  I am easy to please. I liked Shannara. Of course it won’t be Jordan. Jordan is unique; Brandon proved that. Everyone sees a little something different in WoT which probably explains its universality. Of course it wouldn’t be my take on it but probably there would be those  who wouldn’t like that just like they didn’t like Shannara.

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5 years ago

@159, Rand passes without comment comment because his supposed mother was a redheaded foreigner, Andorian I think.

Dark haired and dark eyed I think Jordon said, skin tone unspecified but darker than Rand’s. The casting works well enough.

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5 years ago

@143: Actors can darken their hair and change the color of their eyes. Val Kilmer himself had dark hair in more than one role. Just watch Willow.

I couldn’t roll my eyes hard enough at the crowd gasping at the thought of having a blonde actress play brunette Moiraine (the horror!), considering that (to use just one recent, obvious example) ALL the blondes of Game of Thrones, male and female alike, were played by brunettes.

If actors had to be picked to fit such strenuous physical requirements (and just to please the crazy fans) there would never be a series, ever. 

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Haru
5 years ago

The Rock, as Lan the Warder

Seth Green, for Thom the Gleeman

Yup.

Whats your #reallybadcastingchoice ??

 

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Fan of WoT
5 years ago

I think we would be served best by having a mostly unknown cast.  I have to think there might be a fair amount of “narrating” in the show.  It is such an overwhelming project.  Today’s movie technology will make things like the “slyph” very realistic.  Also, who can they find to be Aviendha?  I think I’m going to have to re-read the books, it’s been so long.  Nonetheless, I’m so excited for this project.

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5 years ago

@@@@@ 159

 

The Two Rivers ethnicity, if actually following the books, must be so that Rand was bullied for being different. Noone had grey eyes or red hair. The ethnicity must be also something that Elaida looks at and says “No way that guy is from the Two Rivers”. She lists several characteristics that makes Rand stand out and why she thinks he’s lying about who he is: his red hair, his grey eyes, his height and his PALE SKIN where he isn’t tanned. So no Two Rivers person should be pale. Supposedly if she had shown a place where he was clothed and it wasn’t pale, then her argument would’ve been invalid.

 

My take from the books was that the Two Rivers people were kind of Middle Easterner looking. Something that a tanned Dutch or Dane could try to assimilate, but still would stand out. 

 

Also, Moiraine was looking for someone who wasn’t born in the Two Rivers. Only one boy actually fit that description. She asks Nynaeve where each of them was born at the Baerlon inn. Even if Rand was perfectly like the other boys in appearance, only one of their fathers went out into the world and came back with a son. The other two boys were born in the Two Rivers, with most likely the previous wisdom helping in their birth, and their fathers probably never went beyond Baerlon in their lifetimes (at least before Abell Cauthon went to Tar Valon in search of his son). So by Baerlon she’s got a good guess of who’s the Dragon Reborn (especially after Rand heals Bela’s tiredness), she just has to understand why there are two other ta’veren with him.

 

It’s not just because Rand looks different that Moiraine would’ve known he was the one she was looking for. For all she knows Rand was actually born in the Two Rivers and not on some foreign place, and it was Mat that was born somewhere else when Abell was trading horses far away. But after the Nynaeve interview? She knew for a certaintity and comments so.

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5 years ago

Huh. I’m not really feeling this cast. Mat is the only one I really like.

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Aviendha
5 years ago

announcements with big spoilers lols. probably series is straying away from the books

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stayoutofmymind@yahoo.com
5 years ago

Everyone except Marcus fits well enough, though the guys could all be a little taller. Marcus is to small/skinny to be Perrin. A mountain of a man whose always careful with his movements as to not hurt anyone. A natural built blacksmith. That’s all a big part of Perrin. A pretty boy actor like Marcus just doesn’t fit. Truth is I can’t think of anyone with both the size and youth. They need to go outside the box and discover a new talent for Perrin’s role. 

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Faculty Guy
5 years ago

I am all for a high-diversity cast in terms of race and ethnicity.  And Jordan’s world is so rich in very different cultures that the opportunity for doing this is wonderfully open.  I could easily envision a Black Lan, for example, or even Moraine.  I could easily picture Asian Seanchan, or Shinarians, or Illianers.  Or Middle Eastern actors as Aiel.  Or almost any racial-ethnic actor in any number of roles.

BUT: I agree with many who point out that a culturally isolated-for-centuries  rural area with history like the Two Rivers is unlikely to have a diverse racial population.  Rand’s “different” features are a fairly important point early in the series, and being “different” only makes sense if there is a certain background uniformity.  (I’m reminded of Monty Python – Orator shouts “I know you’re all different.”  Voice from rear of throng: “I’m not!”)

We’ll see how this goes.  It’s going to be difficult enough to make a literary-faithful video version even under the best of circumstances.  This early casting news does not increase my confidence that it will be done successfully — or that the attempt is even being made.  Perhaps the TV version will be great but only remotely related to the books, but that is going to stir much negativity among fandom! 

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5 years ago

I never expected that the show runners will put any priority on in-world logic in the casting (e.g. as posters have said before me, The Two Rivers should have a homogenous population of Med/South Europe/Levantine kind of appearance). Even general body types (quite important for some characters like Perrin) are being overlooked. Hopefully it will be better when they are in-costume, camera work etc.

No doubt the show runners do have certain priorities, besides good actors (this a given, I hope!) , but these are real world ones not in-universe. At least age is a factor here thankfully- in The Witcher show from the trailers it looks like Triss could be Yen’s mother!- Hopefully this is just an impression given out from just a few frames.

Anyway, I think it is a good thing that the actors chosen for these characters are unknows, as has been expressed by many for a long time. But this means that we won’t know how good they are until we watch the show. Same for their appearance, to a large extent.

I do find it bizzare that there are complaints that the actors are young and good looking- the book characters are! Maybe they want the showrunners to make (a further?) statement and pick people who represent the viewers and not professional actors. I understand the concerns about the Shanara show but our EF bunch are youngsters. It will be the writing and showrunner choices that may turn it into another Shanara not their ages or subjective looks.

Anthony Pero
5 years ago

Ryanamo@171:

Its been a while, but I think Nynaeve lied to Moiraine. She tells Rand he was born outside the TR, but she says that she didn’t tell Moiraine because it was none of her business. Moiraine doesn’t express knowledge of Tam’s backstory until the meeting with Rand and the Amyrlin. 

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Tim
5 years ago

Fantastic choices. I saw Perrin and Mat and thought: yes! Can’t wait to see who they cast as Lan and Moiraine. This has been such a long time coming…

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Nicole
5 years ago

@34 @68  The actor will probably get beefed up for the role.  He wouldn’t be the first actor sent to then gym as soon as they were cast.  Although I hope for the best, his headshot looks like they are going for “broody” instead of “reserved,” and I don’t think we need Jon Snow part 2.  We’ll see.

As for this unhappy with the diversity of the cast, by the time they get through costuming, hair, makeup and cinematography they may very well appear to be an unspecific somewhat brown ethnic group (aside from Rand).  Assigning races to various regions will be a very difficult line to walk without stepping on stereotypes.  Jordan neatly avoids this by having the regions have very clear cultures (some of which echo ones we have today), but the appearance of these groups is mostly left to the readers’ imagination.

 

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5 years ago

This is weird for me and I’ve been thinking a lot about how seeing a tv show will affect the mental images I had from the books (this is not a strike at their casting choices; I appreciate and trust that they made the best decisions for the show they are making). But for me, if I watch this show it will really be my first time to go through that. I never read a single Harry Potter book until after I’d seen the first four films. I even came to LoTR late–while I’d obviously lnown of the books and even had an interest in reading them, I’d only gotten around to reading The Hobbit and Fellowship right before the Fellowship film came out. I didn’t read TTT or RotK until after seeing the Fellowship movie. I hadn’t really had a completely vested interest in the character appearances/voices/mannerisms, etc. before the films.

But with WoT, it’s different. I was with those books a long time and they were so important to me in high school and were completely formative of my interest in adult fantasy fiction. Those characters are hard set in appearance for me,and in some cases, even their voices. And they’re so solidified that I know in some cases they even go against the descriptions of the books–Nynaeve, for instance. I think that has to do with the fact that I actually read The Great Hunt first, and I think I came up with some images before getting a spelled out description. I think Logain I imagined with a different hair color for a while, though I can’t remember if I ever corrected that.

So for me, this is the first time I’ll ever go through the experience of seeing and hearing characters as totally different from how I always saw them, and I don’t know how it will impact future rereads.

I think from the photos, Mat looks closest to what I think of, and so the biggest disconnect there will probably be in terms of acting–speech cadence and so forth. It’s funny, but when I saw the first picture, I was like, oh yeah, that actually looks pretty good for a yoing version of Perrin! –then I saw it was supposed to be Rand.

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Eddie
5 years ago

I dont mind the cast as long as they can act (I remember being quite pissed when I heard they cast Heath Ledger as Joker). Im only worried about their ages. The books take place over a few years max…but it will take 10 yrs to go through them on the small screen. These people will be in their mid thirties when they should look like their early 20s at most right?

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Steve Downs
5 years ago

The casting of Mat is about as close as I had in my mind myself. All the others were way off in my mind , having said that it doesn’t mean I am disappointed. My opinions on how they looked were formed from covers from the various books and RJ description, which could go on forever. RJ was a clever one, such as describing the Aiel…. They were dessert dwellers, so naturally they were darker complected….but no light skinned . So in a way it does make sense. 

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Bill G
5 years ago

@69 The internetz say that both actors are 6’2″ …..that can be worked with i guess but Rand should have definitely been a few inches taller

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Dave
5 years ago

not good casting. Started w Rosamund Pike. Moraine was described as diminutive but with a presence despite her lack of height. I see the casting as contrary to the general image of the books. Sorry , do not see this working.

 

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5 years ago

I am amazed so many people accepted the covers as a true depiction of the characters.

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Dave
5 years ago

“I am amazed so many people accepted the covers as a true depiction of the characters.”

Not the covers, but the narrative is what I am referring to. Rosamund Pike actual height is listed at 5’9″ .  Her  lack of height as written in the narrative is in a large part what establishes the power of her character. Point I am making is that if there is too much variation from the narrative, which the success of this program has to depend on, then you risk losing interest from the core group of support, ie, the fan base. In reading many of these reviews, I see just that happening. I think Ms. Pike would be a tremendous asset as Amys for example, or even Lanfear (though I would expect some to compare her looks with other cast members and dispute this, but IMO she has a certain appearance that could easily change from stately beautiful to evilly beautiful, if you catch my meaning), but I think she is miscast in her assigned role.

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humouress
5 years ago

I have been on board with this series from the beginning (from when book 1 or possibly 2 was published) and have been waiting since then for it to come to the screen. I do hope that, when it comes to costumes and actual filming, that the creators stay true to the physical descriptions of the characters in the books. Those are, after all, a huge part of the story.

While I’m all for ethnic diversity, there is a lot of room to demonstrate it with the different countries/ races across Jordan’s world, however improbable light-skinned redheads might be in our world. Yes, their world was broken – but that was Ages ago and now the peoples of each region have specific, identifiable characteristics so you can look at someone and say they’re from Tarabon or of the Sea People.

Well, I’m still looking forward to seeing the first episode and hoping it lives up to the books.

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Jared Louis
5 years ago

the cast has definitely surprised me in such a good way. I think i can really see the characters in them… like ive reas the series twice now and after reviewing their interviews and movie clips…i see snippets of something that can work. The actors need to be able to command the beginning character and story arc to the end in which all main characters are different. Tht is mainly why i think these actors could be convincing…so excited!

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AgentUtah
5 years ago

Thom Merrilin is Daniel Day-Lewis

Daniel Day-Lewis is Thom Merrilin