One of the benefits of the Walt Disney Company buying 20th Century Fox, at least from the point of view of the live-action adaptations of Marvel comics, is that we now can have things from the X-Men and the Fantastic Four in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We were teased with that notion by having Evan Peters play Pietro Maximoff instead of Aaron Taylor-Johnson in WandaVision, and it gets its first more practical workout in the third episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, as a big chunk of the episode takes place in Madripoor.
First seen in an issue of The New Mutants in 1985, Madripoor became a staple in particular of comics featuring the X-Man Wolverine over the years, and it was part of the X-Men license, and therefore part of Fox’s remit in terms of movie-making. But now, it’s part of the MCU! Yay!
A lawless island in the Indonesian archipelago loosely based on Singapore and what Casablanca was in its eponymous movie, Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes go there to find out about where the fancy-shmancy new Super Soldier Serum came from—accompanied by Baron Zemo, whom they broke out of prison.
I say “they,” I should say “Bucky.” Knowing it would be easier to get forgiveness than permission, Bucky sets up Zemo’s escape from the Berlin prison he’s been incarcerated in since the end of Captain America: Civil War without telling Sam about it until it’s all over. Sam is, understandably, pissed. But he goes along with it.

This entire episode is about consequences, and I adore it for that reason. It starts with a hearts-and-flowers ad for the Global Repatriation Council that is trying to reintegrate the half of humanity who got dusted by Thanos and were returned five years later by the Hulk. It’s immediately followed by a GRC strike force led by John Walker that is trying and failing to locate the Flag Smashers. The GRC doesn’t come across very well here, not only having SWAT teams and such, but also the Flag Smashers target a GRC storehouse that has a ton of food and medical supplies just sitting there not being given to the refugees in their care. For that matter, we learn one of the reasons for Karli Morgenthau’s founding of the Flag Smashers: her mother Donya contracted tuberculosis in one of the GRC’s refugee centers.
We find out how this new Super Soldier Serum was created and wound up in the hands of Morgenthau and her gang, and the latter is another unintended consequence of Thanos snapping his fingers. Zemo, Bucky, and Sam go to Madripoor and learn that the new serum was created by a Dr. Nagel. But he wasn’t working for Hydra—he was working for the CIA, and they gave him some blood samples from another super soldier, Isaiah Bradley. But then Nagel was dusted, and the project fell apart during the Blip. When he was reconstituted, Nagel took his research to Madripoor and the Power Broker, whom we disappointingly do not meet at any point in this episode named for that character. Nagel created twenty vials of the serum, which were then stolen by Morgenthau.
Not that the project being in the U.S. government’s hands would necessarily be any better, it’s certainly not great that it wound up with a criminal in a lawless nation. Now we know why the Power Broker is going after the Flag Smashers, at any rate.
Zemo, of course, wants there to be no super soldiers—that was his MO in Civil War, and he makes sure to kill Nagel and blow up his lab once he’s given up his information.

Adding entertainment value to the whole thing is that they got the information about Nagel from a criminal named Selby (played with verve by Imelda Corcoran), who is then shot and killed. There’s immediately a bounty on Sam, Bucky, and Zemo for the murder, even though they didn’t do it—and we don’t know who did, yet. More entertainment value comes from the person who saves their asses: Sharon Carter, who is living as a fugitive in Madripoor, which doesn’t extradite people, and living a comfortable life in High Town as an art broker. Sam promises that he’ll get her a pardon if she helps them, and she reluctantly agrees. (Sam’s convincing argument is that they gave “the bionic staring machine” a pardon, and if they’ll clear Bucky, they’ll clear her.) Sharon leads them to Nagel and also keeps a bunch of bounty hunters off them, but when it’s all over, she gets into a nice car driven by someone the cast list at the end identifies as her bodyguard. Is Sharon really a fugitive, or is she pretending to be one and she’s really undercover? Or is she working for the Power Broker? Or is she the Power Broker? So many possibilities here, especially since a) we don’t Sharon all that well and b) we still don’t know who shot Selby. Sharon’s fate, whether it’s real or not, is another consequence. Sam got to be a hero again in Infinity War and Endgame after being a fugitive—Sharon’s still in the wind and off the grid.
I said last week that I liked that John Walker isn’t a dick, and I may need to walk that back after the way he acts in Munich toward the people the GRC is questioning about the Flag Smashers. He’s a total asshole in that scene, even pulling the “Do you know who I am?” line on the guy he’s questioning. The answer given was “Yes, I do, and I don’t care,” but it should’ve been, “Some rando cosplaying as Captain America.” He’s acting like he’s earned the respect that comes with the outfit and shield, and he really really hasn’t. For that matter, Battlestar reminds him that the Flag Smashers are bringing food and medical supplies to people who need it—which is followed, not by, “Maybe they’re not so bad” or “Maybe we shouldn’t be hunting them,” but instead only that such behavior inspires loyalty. Again, the line between good guys and bad guys is seriously blurred.

Daniel Brühl is never not wonderful (his portrayal of the title character in The Alienist is superb), and he does excellent work here as Zemo, reminding us that he is a baron, and therefore an aristocrat. He’s got a ton of fancy cars, a private jet, and a staff. He also loves poking bears with sticks, as he’s deliberately provocative to both Sam and Bucky, and it’s not entirely clear why they keep putting up with it, as his usefulness to them lessens with each minute of the episode. I’m not sure they still need him at this point, and the cliché of the heroes teaming up with the villain is showing itself a little too much here.
For all that I love the consequences, this episode has a lot of lazy writing in it. Having Sam disguised as a flashy criminal and be forced to drink snake guts to keep in character is played for laughs, but it just comes across as pointless filler, especially since the character he’s playing is irrelevant to what they’re doing. He could just be a bit of muscle or something instead of pretending to be an existing person, whose cover can be blown by a call from his sister (an utter waste of Adepero Oduye). It’s fun to see Emily VanCamp take out a bunch of bounty hunters singlehandedly, but it’s mostly there because there isn’t enough action in the episode otherwise, and it breaks up Nagel’s lengthy infodump. And after spending three episodes portraying the Flag Smashers as noble outlaws, to have Morgenthau then blow up a building full of tied-up prisoners is trying too hard to say, “but they’re bad guys, really, honest!” thus ruining the shades of gray we’ve been getting.
Worse, though, is how utterly ineffectual Sam Wilson is in this episode. He barely manages to keep in character when he’s disguised in Madripoor, he’s a spectator to Bucky breaking Zemo out of prison, and his objections are run over by Bucky and Zemo both. Bucky’s the one who does most of the ass-kicking in the episode, leaving Sam to mostly stand around. He gets to express outrage about the abuse of Isaiah, but that’s about it. It’s massively disappointing.
Each episode of FWS has ended with someone showing up in the last shot, setting up the next episode. It was Walker in “New World Order” and Zemo in “The Star-Spangled Man,” and this week it’s Ayo, played by Florence Kasumba, the first Dora Milaje warrior we met on screen in Civil War when she faced down the Black Widow, who has come to bring Zemo to justice. I was initially disappointed that we didn’t get Danai Gurira’s Okoye, but it’s fitting that we get someone who was present for Zemo’s assassination of King T’Chaka be the one to go after him now.
So at this point, our heroes are still hanging out with the bad guy they sprung from prison, they still have a bounty on their heads for a murder they didn’t commit, and the Dora Milaje are now lined up against them, which can’t be good.

Odds and ends
- The island nation of Madripoor was introduced in The New Mutants #32 by Chris Claremont & Steve Leialoha (1985), described by Cypher as “Earth’s Mos Eisley,” referring to the wretched hive of scum and villainy in Star Wars. Among many other things, Madripoor was the setting for a personal favorite comic book of mine, Uncanny X-Men #268 by Claremont & Jim Lee (1990). Half the issue took place during World War II and had a very-new-on-the-job Captain America encountering Wolverine on that lawless island.
- Nagel says that of all the scientists who tried to re-create Dr. Erskine’s work, he was the only success. He doesn’t mention that one of those other scientists who did not succeed was Dr. Bruce Banner, as established in The Incredible Hulk, as both the Hulk and the Abomination are the unfortunate results of an attempt to re-create the Super Soldier Serum.
- The first thing Zemo does when he sees that Bucky is visiting him in his cell is to speak the code words that would activate the Winter Soldier. Not that you can really blame him, though obviously the deprogramming has worked.
- At one point, Zemo puts on a purple face mask, though he doesn’t keep it on for long. This is a tribute to both comic book versions of Baron Zemo. Baron Heinrich Zemo was established in Avengers #6 by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby (1964) as a Nazi scientist whom Captain America and Bucky were fighting during World War II when they disappeared. Zemo wore a purple face mask that was permanently stuck to his face by Adhesive X, which he blamed Captain America for. Baron Helmut Zemo was established as Heinrich’s son in Captain America #168 by Roy Thomas, Tony Isabella, & Sal Buscema (1973), and he fell into a vat of Adhesive X, which destroyed his face. When he returned in Captain America #275 by J.M. DeMatteis & Mike Zeck (1982), Helmut wore a purple mask of a similar design to that of his father to hide his disfigurement.
- In the comics, the Power Broker is a shadowy figure who grants super-powers to those who can pay for it. The Power Broker is, in fact, responsible for giving John Walker the powers that he used as Super-Patriot, then as the replacement Captain America, and then as U.S. Agent when Steve Rogers took the shield back.
- It’s established in this episode that the notebook that Bucky has been keeping track of the people he needs to make amends to is the same notebook that Steve Rogers was using to keep track of things he needed to catch up on after being in suspended animation for seven decades back in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Sam tells Bucky that he was the one who told Cap to listen to Marvin Gaye’s Trouble Man. Bucky is not nearly enthusiastic enough about Gaye to suit Sam (or Zemo, for that matter).

Keith R.A. DeCandido also does the Star Trek: Voyager Rewatch every Monday and Thursday. His takes on the MCU films can be found as part of his “4-Color to 35-Millimeter: The Great Superhero Movie Rewatch” that started on this site in 2017.
Daniel Brühl is never not wonderful (his portrayal of the title character in The Alienist is superb), and he does excellent work here as Zemo, reminding us that he is a baron, and therefore an aristocrat. He’s got a ton of fancy cars, a private jet, and a staff.
Yeah, I remember how one of the complaints of the Zemo of Civil War ((from die-hard Cap friends of mine) was that he was really just Zemo-in-name-only.
I didn’t really mind. The MCU had to take pragmatic approaches to adapting certain characters (ex. Thanos), but I’m glad the expanded format of the mini-series allowed them to adapt that element of Zemo’s character.
Mr. Magic: Those complaints made me crazy, because when J.M. DeMatteis brought Zemo back in 1982, he was pretty close to the MCU version. He wasn’t interested in world domination, he just wanted revenge on Captain America. Civil War expanded that to other enhanced beings, but it was still not nearly as far from the conception of Zemo as it was for many years before Roger Stern made him more of a standard villain in Avengers.
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
Unsurprisingly, I agree with you on all points, especially Sam’s ineffectiveness. He’s out of his depth for most of the story, and the phone call just smacked of a plot device to get an action scene going.
Additional trivia I haven’t seen mentioned yet: During the establishing shots of Lowtown, the sign for the Princess Bar is clearly shown. This is the bar frequented or partially owned by Wolverine (depending on the story).
I took the bombing as Karli taking revenge for her mother’s death, not an example of lazy writing. Particularly since her cohort seemed quite aghast at the action.
I thought the bombing increased the shades of gray. Just as we’re about to decide that this sweet, freckle-faced girl who wanted to be a teacher might be in the right, she blows a building up. Sharon is on the run, our new Captain America has anger issues, and our titular heroes just broke one of the most capable of their enemies out of prison. Who are we rooting for and why?
Don’t misunderstand me: I like heroic heroes and I truly hope Sam and Bucky can get to the bottom of things and save the day. I’d even like to see Walker find his balance, but right no, just at the beginning of things, it’s a nice muddle.
I’m feeling a bit empty from this series right now, and I think it’s because of what Keith said about the writing coming across as lazy, to me. It’s been a lot of flash – especially this episode – but feels rudderless. Not that it isn’t moving, but that it’s not moving of its own accord. Rather, it’s being yanked from point to point unnaturally. Oh well.
I’m also disappointed by the walk back on Walker’s complexity from last episode. I’m worried it will follow the same pattern as in WandaVision where Hayward started out as seeming like a guy working on the right side, but having some character problems and making some missteps. Then, partly because he’s been jade by the last five years, leaning in to those mistakes and lashing out at criticism. That angle could have made a compelling foil to Monica. But instead they nosedived him into a straight-up evil guy who would shoot a child. I feel like Walker is heading the same way. Starts out introduced as a guy who really is an accomplished soldier, who seems like a guy who wants to do the right, but still has some major insecurities. That is fertile ground for a guy who overcompensates and goes too far to prove himself. I feel like that’s still the track their using – that he’s blurring some lines and cutting some corners because he “needs a win” to prove himself – but I feel like they’re stripping the charm and competence he showed the first episode so that by the end he’ll end up a straight-up baddy, too.
I’m still gonna continue the show, and I’m enjoying the extra time with Bucky and especially Sam (again, this episode was weak there), but I’m not as engaged as I was by WandaVision 3 episodes in. And I know episode 4 is where it really took off for a lot of people, but for me I was on the line by 3 and episode 4 set the hook. This one is on a slow downward for me…
So, did I miss something, or did Steve Rogers hang Sharon out to dry for five years? What the hell? I realize there might be a twist coming, but why wouldn’t Sam or Bucky even question that? And why does the MCU keep trying to make me dislike Rogers?
Likewise not a fan of the pointless escalation Karli gets involved in. Like Wandavision, the show has to make its antagonists act in egregiously, stupidly bad ways to make sure you know you’re not supposed to be rooting for them. If she didn’t just pointlessly slaughter a bunch of people then right now the Flag Smashers would seem like the heroes of this story.
I am much less familiar with comics than with classic SF, so I got mentally tangled between Madripoor and Robert Silverberg’s Majipoor.
@7 / Colin R: Per the MCU wiki, and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it shot in Endgame, Sharon was among the blipped. I’m not sure how to square that with having built a new life for herself in Madripoor, but the wiki says she set all that up before the blip. So the question is whether Sharon had any contact with Team Cap between Civil War and Infinity War, which I would have to imagine she did, but we have no evidence for it.
Zemo going full Baron Zemo was fantastic, and those white people dancing moves! Oh, and his poor butler, looks as hold as Prince Phillip.
Their disguises to go into Madripoor reminded me of that Picard episode where they go to the casino. A super soldier serum lab blowing up with our heroes inside? That’s so close to a super power origin!
I highly doubt Sharon is evil. I did not expect Wakandan presence, that was so cool.
These are all random thoughts, and a not a cohesive comment.
@9
OK, this seems scarcely better though. Steve left behind his niece-by-marriage-whom-he-used-to-smooch without even checking in on her, so that he could go marry her aunt in the past? Awkward.
Sharon being a fugitive from the government is just a convenient lie. Shortly after smooching Steve in Civil War, she realized that he bore a suspicious resemblance to Old Uncle Steve, Aunt Peggy’s beloved husband who for some reason never shows up for family photographs. She put two and two together and fled to Madripoor in shame and mortification.
Seriously, I’m really hoping that she’s just in deep cover, because the whole story about her being on the run seven in-universe years after Civil War, for sneaking Cap’s shield and Sam’s bird costume out of a locker, when the freaking Winter Soldier and every Team Cap member and Cap himself got amnesty a long time ago, is probably the most ridiculous thing in an episode with quite a few ridiculous plot contrivances.
Seriously, I’m really hoping that she’s just in deep cover, because the whole story about her being on the run seven in-universe years after Civil War, for sneaking Cap’s shield and Sam’s bird costume out of a locker, when the freaking Winter Soldier and every Team Cap member and Cap himself got amnesty a long time ago, is probably the most ridiculous thing in an episode with quite a few ridiculous plot contrivances.
Yeah, that was my take, too.
Agreeing with the bulk of other posters here: this episode was painfully bad. It almost feels like someone at Marvel looked upon the utterly ruinous failure that DC is having with Batwoman and was like “we gotta get in on that sweet, sweet tanking ratings action! Let’s copy what they’re doing!” So they set up a contrivance where the heroes are forced to work with their nemesis, they degrade our heroes, throw in a bunch of gratuitous and ugly cynicism about whether the heroes are even on the right side at all, and so on. In particular, they derailed and mutilated Sharon’s character so badly that I’m disappointed Emily VanCamp was even willing to shoot this steaming pile of script they handed her.
WandaVision was entertaining. It was fun to watch. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier really hasn’t been so far. They’d better shape up and quickly, or its ratings are gonna go straight to Gotham.
The dwindling gaps in the credit sequence are looking ever more glaring.
Also: “I can’t run in these heels!” And they’re really leaning into the bickering couple thing. I don’t expect Disney to give them the snog they deserve but literally nothing else makes sense at this point.
Pretty sure Power Broker will turn out to be a woman.
Lady Deathstrike?
Three episodes in and… meh. This show has some good moments, but the pacing just feels all wrong and nothing is coming together that well. Maybe it would be better binged? If so, they should have released it that way. As it stands, I barely want to finish it.
I like the improvements on Zemo’s character, but that’s more or less it for this episode.
Does the world seriously not know that Bucky isn’t the Winter Soldier anymore? He got a Presidential Pardon and everything. There’s no way super-smart underworld people wouldn’t be aware. Sam is an Avenger, a very public super hero. Giving him a fancy jacket isn’t going to make a difference either.
Sharon kicks ass, but there’s no way that she’s not there for a reason. Is she a Flag Smasher? Super-secret SHIELD/SWORD agent? Someone else?
I hope I like the next episode more because this show is not quite doing it for me.
I assume Sharon is lying too, of course. Maybe she really was ‘blipped’, but it seems awfully convenient that she either has a fabulously successful contraband art business that she set up in six months, or that was just waiting for her after she got back. ‘The Blip’ is a rather perfect opportunity to disappear someone and send them undercover. And on the surface, this episode doesn’t really have anything to do with the theme of the first two episodes, ‘who even is Captain America?’
More likely Sharon is still with the CIA, and the ‘real’ antagonist at the end is elements of the U.S. government (The CIA etc.) trying to recreate Super-Soldiers as American assets. The Flag-Smashers will end up being hapless rather than serious or threatening–tools used as cover to get the serum out of Madripoor, while Bucky and Sam are being used to tie up loose ends.
None of that really answers what the hell happened with Rogers and Sharon though. Most explanations make one of them look really bad.
I thought it was an OK episode. It had that “spy versus spy, trust no one” vibe that I liked in Captain America: Winter Soldier. Bucky got more attention than Sam, but Sam can’t be the hero in every episode. Bruhl is great as Baron Zemo, and at this point, he has the same goal as Sam and Bucky; nip this Super Soldier stuff in the bud. Sharon was great in the fight scenes, while being otherwise mysterious, but I suspect that mystery will be addressed at some point. I liked all the MCU and comic book tie-ins–this episode actually picked up a lot of plot threads from Civil War, and did a good job with them.
I suspect New Cap and Battlestar will at some point get tempted to juice up with super soldier serum themselves, and may deal with the devil (or Power Broker) to do so. I was surprised at the dark turn for Karli, but except for Sam and Bucky, this story has no heroes, only protagonists and antagonists. The shades of gray are becoming darker as the tale continues.
I would be very interested in the twist of making Sharon Carter into the Power Broker. It’s an interesting angle on her “breaking bad” and the fact that the government only pardoned the people they absolutely had to out of all this. The government doing the bare minimum is a running theme here.
I also admit to being a big comic book Zemo fan, though I always liked the question of, “is it possible to redeem yourself from being raised in a hateful ideology?” With Zemo trying but…usually failing. Sadly, they seem to have dropped that angle and he’s back with Hydra.
After the setup in the first two episodes about Bucky’s efforts at atonement, with the specific emphasis in the last episode on repeating Rule #2, it was jarring to me how indifferent he seems to be to reverting to the Winter Soldier role. There was no sign here of the self-doubting Bucky who can’t get through a date because he’s overwhelmed by guilt, but then can’t directly face the guilt either. So far, this seems to be playing as an addict-has-a-relapse-on-the-road-to-recovery arc. He’s back in a comfort zone, even if it is one he at least claimed he didn’t want to be in. I suppose that would tie into the larger theme of temptation of power vs worthiness to hold and exercise power, but I hope we aren’t setting up a dynamic of Bucky needing to be saved (again).
This discussion actually helped me solidify some of the things that were tumbling ’round my head after watching this episode:
* Sharon has to be in deep cover. Not only because I don’t believe her business in Madripoor would just sit idle for five years (if the place is as corrupt as it’s been established in dialogue and the comics), but because why would you take a character like Sharon and just trash it? Maybe it’s naive of me, but she IS a Carter…I’d like to think a relative of Peggy Carter would be as heroic as she was.
* Yeah, I’m disappointed that they sidelined Sam in this episode. Nice to see Bucky in action as faux Winter Soldier, but still, Sam was just…there. (I also don’t get how the people in Madripoor who apparently interacted with the Smiling Tiger previously didn’t immediately pick up that Sam wasn’t him by his reaction to the shot. You couldn’t have telegraphed the “it’s not him” any more than they did.)
* Not in the episode save for Sam’s reference, but I’m hoping we see more of Isaiah than just that scene in Ep. 2. You can’t just bring in Carl Lumbly for a few minutes and call it good. There needs to be more regarding the Tuskegee-esque Super Soldier testing. And I want Sam to be more outraged by it.
* I honestly don’t know how all of this is going to be tied up in three more episodes. The only thing I can think of is that unlike WandaVision, this may get another season? I think this deserved more episodes, but only if they weren’t crammed with filler.
* Someone please correct me if I’m wrong here, but this was mostly filmed before Chadwick Boseman’s death, right? So unless they did additional shoots, we shouldn’t expect Ayo to make any mention of T’Challa dying or being killed? I would think that would be something to be addressed (hopefully NOT shown) in Black Panther 2. (Still breaks my heart that Chadwick is gone. The man was a talent well beyond just Marvel, to be sure.)
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong here, but this was mostly filmed before Chadwick Boseman’s death, right? So unless they did additional shoots, we shouldn’t expect Ayo to make any mention of T’Challa dying or being killed? I would think that would be something to be addressed (hopefully NOT shown) in Black Panther 2. (Still breaks my heart that Chadwick is gone. The man was a talent well beyond just Marvel, to be sure.)
Right, filming on the mini-series still had 2-3 weeks left (circa mid-March 2020) when the pandemic shut everything down. So yeah, this episode would’ve been shot by then (and they spent the hiatus doing post-production on what had been completed).
While T’Challa will likely be referenced, I sincerely doubt it’ll be any mention of his death set up here. I agree that needs to be handled in Black Panther 2 instead of another MCU project (and they may not have decided how to write T’Challa out while the series was in early post-production).
Didn’t we? Hmmm. See, someone killed Selby before those bounty hunters showed up, and then they were immediately (and conveniently) rescued by Sharon Carter. Who has been on the run since Civil War (which doesn’t make sense—Cap wasn’t dusted, and I can’t imagine he didn’t reach out to her). Who is living a life of luxury on this island. Who can find out where the Power Broker has Nagel holed up seemingly at will. The Power Broker, who sprung out of nowhere after the Snap, and wants to hunt down Karli and the Flag Smashers as much as our heroes do.
The best thing they could possibly do with Sharon’s character is to make her the Power Broker.
Please, Feige, give me this.
Definitely the weakest episode in this series, it felt very “Agents of Shieldish” to me. Wandavision set the bar very high and I thought the first two episodes of this were up there.. but this wasn’t. Sam was sidelined pretty much and the phone call reveal was very weak, Bucky trying to convince as Winter Soldier in the bar fight also didn’t sit right.
Sharon Carter is a character with great potential so I hope we get something from that cliff hanger that she isn’t really just on the run.
The best things in this episode were Daniel Bruhl stealing every scene as Zemo and the really dark stuff with Erin Kellyman’s Kari.
I really hated the new Cap stuff this time, I hope they are not going down the Jackass route as it really didn’t look like they were in the second episode.
25 comments and nobody talking about the highlight of the episode: Zemo dancing for 2 seconds in the unnecessary party scene. The guy really beat his depression after his family died, you can see in his dance moves.
Anyway, this series has 6 episodes but seeems to be all over the place for the first three. I still don’t get the overall theme, but this episode was more of a thriller / action spy one. It seemed kind of rushed in many places.
Also, Madrippor seemed to have very few Southeast Asians for being an island in the Indonesian archipelago (in the comics you could always see a Southeast Asian bystander screaming near a fight involving Wolverine and the Princess Bar). It almost looks like a city in Georgia rather than near Bali or Sumatra. I wonder why.
I understand part of the Sharon Carter is in reality Power Broker theory. What I don’t understand is why would she be OK with making more super soldiers at first and then ditching the scientist that made them in the first place. If she’s still obeying the CIA (Power Broker is just a long game to make illegal stuff for the US government) then they’d still want more of that made and given to the Patriot and Battlestar, not to mention other soldiers. If she’s truly independent and maybe evil, why kill her scientist and stop the supply of super soldier serum after all of the last batch was stolen by the Flag Smashers?
I haven’t yet read through the comments (or watched some of the react/rewatch channels I enjoy that usually provide some good analysis) since we got to this episode a little later, but I kinda feel like this is the episode where the show has lost me.
Once Karli blew up the building, I was like…oh, okay, they’re going this direction. I agree it’s just kind of sloppy/lazy writing. And to be honest – yeah, I get it. Getting TB in a refugee camp sucks. Poor/inefficient distribution of supplies sucks. But I haven’t really been convinced this was due to malice/corruption or just…typical government inefficiency, in part caused by a massively chaotic re-appearance of half the world’s population. It would be one thing if they had shown the GRC hoarding the supplies for their own use or to sell to the rich, or prioritizing pre-existing power structures, but I don’t know if that was the implication. So, now the Flag Smashers seem a little less sympathetic to me than they might have. Obviously it sucks that all these people just blipped back and threw the world into chaos but that doesn’t mean you just get to kill them; they in a sense have just as much right to exist. At any rate, take it up with Banner if you really want to blame somebody.
It just seems like having Karli blow up a building with what are probably just civilian workers/civil servants/maybe even just volunteers is the show’s way of making us not feel bad when the ‘heroes’ eventually stomp them, instead of creating a more multi faceted conflict. (That said it doesn’t seem like the story is trying to paint the GRC as good guys either.) It just all seems very bleak, and maybe that’s why I’m feeling a little more negative about this episode.
The other thing I find wearying is this idea that they can stop the super serum. At this point, SOMEBODY is going to discover it again, as it is imminently discoverable. It wasn’t something reverse engineered from alien tech or some mystical source, if I remember correctly. There’s no reason some other scientist won’t figure it out. Obviously I get where Zemo is coming from with all his talk against idols and gods and pedestals, and given that the scientist was willing to sell his work to the Power Broker (who likely would have used it to enforce whatever his agenda was) I can see how things like that would be abused (and the CIA probably didn’t have the greatest moments either), but…honestly, the cat kinda seems out of the bag here so it just kind of seems like a fools’ errand to keep trying to stop it. I understand that they may want to know who is supplying them, but it also seems like it’s a part of reality they need to adjust to.
On the fence about Sharon so far – I also was wondering if the woman she was getting into the car with was the Power Broker, or maybe even if it was her. My husband thought maybe she was still an undercover agent. So, we shall see. Also not sure how I feel about her new cynical mindset. Honestly, it’s hard to really root for anybody in this show right now.
whitespine@6 – ooh, yes – I had that exact same thought about Walker and how he relates to Hayward. I honestly would like to see a nuanced, flawed character who is at least trying to do the right thing (and maybe even ultimately managed to overcome some of those flaws) but they do seem pretty intent on telegraphing, nope, he’s kind of a typical asshole bro.
Which…in some ways, yeah, we all know that guy, but it’s kind of boring (to me) as writing.
Also, I think part of my not liking this episode as much has to do with it using some of my least favorite tropes, which involve crazy schemes where something will OBVIOUSLY go wrong. Why would Sam think he could imitate somebody he doesn’t even know? Doesn’t anybody realize that the Winter Soldier isn’t the Winter Soldier anymore?
The other thing I find wearying is this idea that they can stop the super serum. At this point, SOMEBODY is going to discover it again, as it is imminently discoverable. It wasn’t something reverse engineered from alien tech or some mystical source, if I remember correctly. There’s no reason some other scientist won’t figure it out.
Agreed.
Howard Stark was able to figure it out before Nagel, as was Banner (kinda) when he was working for Ross. With the advances in scientific research and development since Erskrine, it’s inevitable. It’s not like the comics where they’ve had to contrive reasons over and over as to why nobody’s ever fully duplicated the serum.
I’m hoping the show accepts that route moving forward, but I doubt they will.
A few other things:
1)I’m wondering if Walker did in fact have the super serum (perhaps without his knowledge) since they make a point of talking about how this serum is ‘subtle’ and also how Walker was ‘off the charts’ in everything.
2)The conversation Sam and Bucky have about the shield and if it should be destroyed, or if the symbol is still valuable was kind of giving me Last Jedi vibes.
@28 The other thing I find wearying is this idea that they can stop the super serum. At this point, SOMEBODY is going to discover it again, as it is imminently discoverable.
Yup. So the impetus should NOW be to give to EVERYONE.
Sam gets more shit about giving up the shield in this episode, including Bucky saying he’ll take it back. I wonder if that will turn out to be telling or if it’s just a tease. Maybe the expectation that Sam becomes the new Cap won’t happen. It’ll follow the Bucky Cap comics storyline, but how will that go over with fans?
Also, agreed that Sam is very ineffectual in Madripoor, but what do we expect? He doesn’t have his flight suit; he doesn’t have Redwing. (Is Redwing coming back?) I thought one possible reading of the “pimp” outfit and persona was Zemo messing with Sam. He doesn’t really need Sam for his objectives, so why not use him to cause chaos?
The call from Sam’s sister the exact wrong moment was dumb writing. Turn your damn phone off while on an undercover op, Sam.
I’ll continue to watch the series, but there’s not much depth here so far. Maybe it turned out to be a good decision to go with WandaVision first. Viewers would be saying the MSU (Marvel Streaming Universe) is off to a rough start otherwise.
Also, totally agree with releasing these series at the same time. I get that it’s about subscriber retention to release episodes weekly, but in this case, the story suffers. At least it will be shorter and maybe sweeter, as opposed to the later Netflix Marvel series that had lots of padding and “expanded” decompressed writing. (Early Daredevil and Jessica Jones were much better in that regard.)
Unlike everyone else apparently, I really liked this episode. Much like the thrill of seeing Middle Earth when first watching Fellowship of the Rings, this ep felt like seeing the Marvel Universe in the flesh, particularly the Entering Madripoor sequence with eerie motorcycle convoy.
I rather liked the low-key presence of Sam here. His gruff , ambivalent “I love these” made the whole show to me. He’s completely out of his depth in Madripoor… but he’s putting on a good face. Anyway, Queue Theory tells us that in a repeated sequence, certain occurrences — e.g., the prominence of one character in one episode in a string of episodes — will rise and diminish slightly from point to point.
Given her pedigree, it’s awfully hard to countenance Sharon Carter’s flip to the Dark Side. It reminds me of how Maria Hill was acting when she showed up in Agents of Shield..
And finally a defense of the weekly roll-out: this feels MUCH more like the true comic book experience than the bingefests of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, et al. do. Let’s face it: There’s no real reason for dumping the entire season or series at once, other than to help prevent the viewer from watching anything else… which is precisely why Netflix does it.
@32 – yeah, that would be an interesting direction to go. It seems like Karli had possibly intended that – she had said something about giving it to all the people in the camps, so maybe they intended to mass produce it as a kind of equalizer.
I’ll admit though, the blowing up of the prisoners is making it a lot harder for me to maintain my former sympathy for her, even if I do sympathize with their cause.
Another thought – the scientist mentioned he had been recruited by the CIA, was their golden child because he cracked the code, got blipped, and then when he came back the program had been disbanded and the Power Broker funded him. I’m wondering why the CIA wouldn’t have wanted to continue the program…was it just a matter of resources or everything still being in chaos?
Ryanamo@27:
She didn’t kill the scientist. Zemo did. And, I think much like everyone else in this show not named Bucky or Sam, it’s less that the Power Broker is “Evil”, and more that the Power Broker is out for the Power Broker.
I doubt Sharon thought Sam and Bucky would be quite as inept as they’ve been so far. While, from a narrative standpoint, we all knew Zemo was going to kill the scientist, there was no reason in-world to think Sam and Bucky wouldn’t be able to contain him. If Sharon is the Power Broker, it might make sense to take that risk to get Sam and Bucky a) off the Island and b) CC’ing her on the Flag Smasher’s whereabouts in the future.
That scenario is also covered by the above. Although, since Walker asked Battlestar if the CIA had any more leads for them, and the answer was no, we might infer that the GRC (which Walker is working for) may not be getting full participation from other agencies. If Sharon is indeed still working for the CIA.
I don’t know that it hangs together that Sharon is the Power Broker, I just want her to be. Everything I mentioned @24 can be explained by Sharon still working for the CIA and is undercover trying to get close to the Power Broker.
That dance scene was great, and funny, but didn’t fit. Sharon says, “I need you to lay low,” or something like that, and the next thing we see is the guys in a crowded dance club?
I get the impression that Sharon was looking to pull a Liara T’soni on the power/shadow broker.
I’m looking at the discussion of Sharon Carter, and not seeing the first question I had: when did she steal back Bucky & Sam’s gear for them (as she claims to have done)? I don’t remember this from the MCU, and don’t see how it could be retconned if it was previously in the comics; did I miss something, or do they decide to believe her even though they know she’s blowing smoke, or were the writers hoping we wouldn’t remember enough of the movies?
And yes, Sam’s not turning off his cellphone when he’s on an operation is way too dumb for him; even if his sister figures out he’s not answering because he’s on an operation, what can she do? She can’t even get a local banker to listen to her; what Fed would?
@39– chip137
It’s in this clip from Civil War. This clip also features the first appearance of Ayo and a joke that the most recent episode called back to.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1mLxCi3QTIM
AlanBrown: She said to lay low and enjoy the party. They were blending….
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
@14 – Mason: I don’t think you’ve actually read the review or the comments. Some say this episode was not as good as the first two, but nobody is saying it’s “painfully bad”.
@22 – Matt: The bartender definitely noticed Sam was not Tiger.
It felt like the weakest of the three episodes to date, but I still enjoyed it. Bucky’s “I like 40’s music” declaration was my favorite bit. Poor guy is just defending his musical opinion.
The most pity still has to go to poor Sam, who was told to impersonate some well known shady character with absolutely zero background info given. I mean to go to all the trouble of getting Sam the outfit, down to the heels, but not giving him even an index card of data about the guy?
I was surprised by how jaded and cynical Sharon was. She wasn’t the Carter we saw in The Winter Soldier. She has plenty of reasons to be bitter if her story is on the level though. Hoping, like many, that it’s all a cover and she is the same lady underneath.
And I really hope that the new Cap isn’t going to be written off as a villain. A more interesting take for me would be if he is actually worthy of the shield in the end. He might die, he might give the shield up, but if he was worthy of it after all–that would be cool.
I’m not sure what I want the show to do with the Flag Smashers. It seems more likely that Zemo will prove to be the big bad at the end. But does the show really need a bigger arc and villain? I think WandaVsion worked because it stayed surprisingly small in scope–it was 90% of Wanda just dealing with her grief in the end–SWORD and Agatha just adding flavor to it. I think I might prefer this how if it just shows us how Sam and Bucky moved on without Cap, everything else can just be added spice.
@41 With dance moves like that, Zemo was definitely NOT blending. ;-)
@40: a 2fer! I’d also forgotten there was a background to Sam, in the tiny back seat, saying to Bucky “You’re not moving your seat up, are you.”
I am expecting John Walker to give some version of the Ultimate Cap “Surrender?!” speech at some point before he gets taken out. I’m also expecting that he and Battlestar are on the Power Broker’s serum.
The Flag Smashers have the same problem Killmonger did in Black Panther – they’re a little too sympathetic, so there’s real risk that the audience will side with them over the heroes. So the story has to have them do awful things so we remember they’re supposed to be bad, and we can just ignore their understandable goals. Basic superhero villain writing that goes back to Batman: The Animated Series at least.
I think that, narratively, the Power Broker has to be someone we have met already, unless they’re a red herring.
Marvel Studios has released a “Zemo cut” with all the outtakes of the dance scene. Hilarious.