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Published on June 9, 2021

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Loki, season 1, episode 1, Glorious Purpose
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It’s Odin’s Day, which means it’s time for Loki to take the wheel. The very first episode of the eponymous show has dropped, and the word of the day is: Kablooie.

[Spoilers for Loki below.]

Summary

We open with a flashback to the time travel heist in Avengers: Endgame. Loki is being removed from the yet-to-be-christened Avengers Tower as Tony-Stark-from-the-future attempts to liberate the Tesseract. When Hulk angrily knocks him aside for being forced to take the stairs, the Space Stone skitters out and Loki (Tom Hiddleston) gleefully nabs it, appearing in Mongolia. He tries to begin his usual grandiose ploy of conquest when several agents appear to capture him. Loki arrives at the TVA—the Temporal Variance Authority—and is continually thwarted as he tries to escape. He is put on trial for being a “variant” to the timeline, which he refuses to plead guilty for. As he’s about to be found guilty and erased from existence, Agent Mobius (Owen Wilson) shows up and asks Judge Ravonna Renslayer (Gugu Mbatha-Raw) to stay the execution and give him some time with the prisoner. She grants his request.

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Loki does not want to believe this place is real, or that the TVA has the power it claims, but Mobius takes him to an office and asks him to answer a few questions honestly… and then he’ll see if he can’t help him out. He asks what Loki’s goals are; Loki insists that he wants to rule because he was born to it, and that people are happier when they have the “illusion” of freedom stripped from them. Then Mobius draws up a film of Loki’s life, shows some of his more recent exploits, and asks if he enjoys hurting people. This brings Loki up short. Mobius shows him what will happen in his future—that he is imprisoned in Asgard’s dungeons by Odin, and his little trick to lead dark elves to Thor actually results in the death of his mother. They are interrupted by Hunter B-15 (Wunmi Mosaku), who needs Mobius back on the case he’s working—TVA agents are being killed on their missions, their timeline resetting cylinders stolen.

When Mobius returns to his office, Loki has vanished; B-15 tells their people to destroy him on sight, but Mobius insists against it. Loki goes looking for the Tesseract and threatens office lackey Casey (Eugene Cordero) to get it, then finds that the TVA has a whole box full of Infinity Stones and none of them work. Loki heads back to Mobius’s office and goes through the rest of his life’s footage, looking on Odin’s declaration of love, his reconciliation with Thor, and his eventual death at the hands of Thanos. B-15 arrives and Loki manages to slip his temporal collar onto her during a fight, then zap her far away. Mobius reenters his office to find Loki sitting on the floor, despondent. He admits that he doesn’t enjoy hurting people; it is a ploy he enacts to cover up his own feelings of powerlessness. Mobius is pleased to find that Loki knows himself so well, and asks if he would be willing to help him with this particular case he’s working on—because the person hunting down and murdering TVA agents is Loki himself.

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Commentary

So the ploy is bringing Loki along to catch himself… or is it?

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There are two very likely possibilities here, given how the MCU shows are playing out, and also what the comics have done. The idea of Loki being his own “villain” has been explored in the Young Avengers and Loki: Agent of Asgard runs, and it’s always been a properly horrific concept. In a show that seeks to do a bit of deconstruction on Loki’s identity, it would make perfect sense to have the character fight his own demons by literally fighting his demon self. (The comics personified this by making this version essentially “old comics” Loki, a decrepit and bitter shell of his former glory days when he took joy in being an uncomplicated antagonist.) There’s clearly a scheme afoot with grabbing the cylinders, and Loki has already noted them as part of the TVA’s seemingly unlimited power, which… even if he realizes that being a ruler is not his vibe, amassing power is always going to be shiny to a magpie who feels as though he has none.

There are several cues here designed to make us believe that this definitely is Loki; at Mobius’s crime scene, we learned the victims were killed with daggers—his signature weapon-of-choice; the surviving little girl points to a stained glass window of a devil figure with horns, which have always been part of Loki’s silhouette when in full regalia; the Kablooie candy turns said little girl’s mouth blue, a clear ode to Loki’s Jötun heritage because the species is blue. But… it’s all too convenient, isn’t it? Which means that we could be going for the same type of fake-out WandaVision gifted us, and there are plenty of villains to chose from on that front. Early bets are probably leaning toward Enchantress, one of the better-known nemeses in the Thor comics who has yet to make an MCU appearance.

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Either way, it’s a framing device to dig into Loki’s psyche and give the character a shot at self-actualization without binding himself to a family narrative. I find it interesting that the show basically gives him a speed run version of the rest of his life because my biggest beef with grabbing the character from 2012 was negating all that development he’d gone through for the sake of a cheap narrative trick to get him back on the gameboard. This isn’t the same as living through those moments, but making Loki aware of what he was “supposed” to go through forces that extra bit of self-awareness and breaks down his barriers faster. And the first admission is perhaps the most essential, one that you could guess at a distance, but means more coming direct from the source—he plays the part of a villain because it allows him to convey power he does not have.

As with characters like Loki, who talk a good game but are usually hiding something, you have to wonder how much of what he says to Mobius applies to himself. He says that he believes people are happier when their freedoms are stripped away, but obviously doesn’t feel the same when the TVA does it to him. On the other hand, those words sound an awful lot like a belief one could wring from Odin’s paternalist, imperialist nonsense, and it’s possible that he has gone through periods where he applied the same thinking to himself (particularly once he learned that he was a stolen child). The truth of the matter is that Loki is smart, sure, but he’s been dodging self-awareness in an effort to avoid thinking about things that hurt. Mobius clearly wants him to stop using that trick, so we can likely expect more breakdowns like the one we saw here going forward.

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We’re also running into a thing that tends to happen in sprawling SFF narratives, though comics can be particularly egregious in this arena: As you continue, the stakes have to keep going up, and one of the ways this is accomplished is by drawing back to showcase more and more powerful beings and groups who are so far outside our general heroes’ understandings that they barely even register each other. Eternals is going to showcase something similar, and the TVA is another example that requires its audience to do a lot of mental loops in order to make anything seem relevant—after all, if there’s a “sacred timeline,” what does free will even mean? And if the TVA has so much power, why does anything else count at all? Remember when Asgardian “gods” was our biggest discrepancy playing next to Iron Man?

It’s important to remember that “power” does not equate to correctness in these instances. Just because the TVA seems to be in control doesn’t mean they should be, or that they’re automatically right, or that there isn’t a bigger fish somewhere pulling their strings, and so on. But I’ll be interested to see how Marvel lets it all play out.

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The other side of this set up is explaining the concept of a big “multiverse fight,” which is obviously something that the MCU is building to at the moment with Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and the next Spider-Man movie. Which ultimately makes you wonder… is the TVA going to survive this season? Because how can you have a big multiverse mess if they’re around? Or is that also “meant to be” somehow?

It seems remiss to end without pointing out that, in a show that begins by thrusting its viewers into bureaucratic hell (and thus might need to work harder to keep our attention), the performances are all-around stellar. We’re accustomed to watching Hiddleston in the part of Loki, and yet after a solid decade, he’s still finding brand new ways for the character to emote that would likely come off ham-fisted in another actor’s hands. Owen Wilson was the perfect choice for Mobius, and his general ambivalence toward the universe he’s stepped into might be the only reason Loki comes out swinging in this first episode. Mbatha-Raw is dazzling as ever for the brief period she is on screen, Eugene Cordero is utterly charming, and I really want to know more about Mosaku’s B-15.

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Let’s hope next week steps on that gas pedal and brings us some fun.

Thoughts and Asides:

  • Retro office with chipper cartoon mascot that handles time variants by killing people who step out of their designated roles is pretty much verbatim what the Commission does in The Umbrella Academy (though they seem confined to Earth), which is probably annoying some folks at the moment. Though from a meta standpoint, it creates a lot of fun crossover potential—can’t wait to see the Handler or AJ or Herb pop up in TVA fanfics and vice versa. Let’s be honest, Five Hargreeves and Loki would either be instant allies or murder each other on meeting, and either option would be high-value entertainment. Also, comics Loki has experience with being a child who’s actually ancient, so, nope, I better stop, this can only spiral…
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  • We were warned ages ago that Loki was going to involve a lot of its titular character inserting himself into Earth history events, but starting that off with the D. B. Cooper flashback was an excellent way to go. If you’ve never heard the story, Cooper is a literal unknown; a man who hijacked a plane in 1971, stopped said plane to pick up a ransom, parachuted out of the plane over Washington, and was reportedly never seen or heard from again. But my real question is ultimately: What bet with Thor could have resulted in this scheme, and why did poor Heimdall agree to participate?
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  • The suggestion seems to be that the TVA exists outside their general universe, which explains why the Infinity Stones do nothing within their realm. But I’ve got a lot of questions about how that works that I’m guessing won’t be answered. Love the design on the place, though, both inside and out.
  • Bets on that little girl being the villain in disguise?
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  • This show is just gorgeously shot. I mean, look at that frame up there. Look at any of them.
  • I’m just saying that having the other person who’s in line to be judged by the TVA say “board of Goldman Sachs” as loudly and obnoxiously as possible before he gets fried was a very effective way of making sure no one cared what happened to that dude.
  • That stack of paper containing record of everything Loki has ever said is still a joke.

See you next week…

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Emmet Asher-Perrin

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3 years ago

I know it was told to Loki straightaway, but the Infinity storyline with Thanos was clearly part of the Sacred Timeline, considering the number of infinity stones that clerk had in his cart: “Infinity Stones? Yes, we have a lot of those”.

I like how this suggests the Avengers were manipulated too.

Now I wonder how many Infinity Stone screw ups got ‘fixed’ by the TVA…

EDIT: Good Review, Emmet :)

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3 years ago

Minor point: The gum-chewing French child is played by Rafael Luce and credited as “French Boy”, although I also was thinking “girl” when I saw him onscreen.

I did really enjoy the episode, although I agree with the comment about power creep.

How long has the TVA been around in comics?  I kind of stopped reading them in the early 90s and don’t remember encountering them, but that was a long time ago.  Seems like if they wanted to introduce Kang, this would be a good way to do it.

Villain speculation (spoilered):

I see Richard E. Grant is credited for five episodes in IMDB but conspicuously doesn’t show a character name.  Maybe he’s Old Loki? Or the true villain, whomever it turns out to be?

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Mr. Magic
3 years ago

The other side of this set up is explaining the concept of a big “multiverse fight,” which is obviously something that the MCU is building to at the moment with Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and the next Spider-Man movie. Which ultimately makes you wonder… is the TVA going to survive this season? Because how can you have a big multiverse mess if they’re around? Or is that also “meant to be” somehow?

Yeah, it does seem like the post-Endgame MCU is building towards adapting further elements from Jonathan Hickman’s Avengers run (since the Black Order and the invasion of Wakanda came from that run).

Adapting Hickman’s Secret Wars definitely seems to be the next long-term story.

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3 years ago

It is gorgeous looking clearly some echoes of Madmen in the look and style  and playfully sending that up with the use of D.B Cooper, I have no doubt coming from the rather silly theories that were going around that Don Draper would turn out to be D.B Cooper.

Tom  Hiddleston is as ever superb, as is Gugu Mbatha-Raw .  Owen Wilson is as always.. Owen Wilson.. but so far it works..whether he becomes a bit tiresome remains to be seen and probably depends on your view of Wilson as actor. 

I’m not the most knowledgeable about Loki’s journey in the comics so I’m looking forward to seeing where this goes.. it’s a promising start 

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3 years ago

A bit heavy in exposition, but a good start to the new series. There was a lot of scene setting to do, especially for those who forget some of the stuff that happened in the last two Avengers movies, but it was done pretty well. And the acting was very good from all concerned. Owen Wilson is a perfect foil for Tom Hiddleston. And I enjoyed Wunmi Mosaku as the “tough cop.”

They should be paying royalties to Terry Gilliam for using the “look and feel” of the movie Brazil as inspiration for the TVA. As well as royalties to Spielberg for copying the Jurassic Park “Dino DNA” cartoon explanation sequence (but come to think of it, Spielberg borrowed that from old Disney cartoons, so maybe not).

It may be that the TVA will collapse, leading to the multiverse approach to storytelling they use in the comics. Or perhaps the TVA is deluded, and the timeline they have been managing is only one of many. In any event, I don’t think the TVA will be in the driver’s seat by the end of the series.

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3 years ago

The TVA and their plotline sounds a lot like the Time Masters in the first season of LEGENDS OF TOMORROW who kept fiddling with time to get the results they want.  Not being a comics geek, I can’t say whether the Time Masters were DC or LEGENDS, but the similarities are definitely there.  

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Gareth Wilson
3 years ago

I’m calling it now – the Time Keepers don’t exist. Only showing them in animation, not actual footage, is just too suspicious.

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3 years ago

Can we talk about the Josta soda that Mobius was drinking? Because that brought me right back to Junior High in 1996, grabbing a Josta out of the locker room vending machine. I always remembered that drink (that and JOLT soda) for being way more caffeinated than Mountain Dew, but I honestly loved Josta, and sadly I had forgotten what it was called until watching this episode.

Also, Hello Tara Strong as Miss Minutes. Lovely as always to hear your voice.

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Ryan
3 years ago

Well, I have to wonder if this doesn’t end in such a way that the TVA loses control of the timeline, introducing Kang and other multiverse elements.  Have they hinted at future seasons?  Maybe those will deal with the TVA fighting to regain control.

Also, Eugene Cordero has officially scored a genre hat trick!  Star Wars, Star Trek and Marvel!

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Ellynne
3 years ago

The TVA is definitely suspicious. There was (or they claim there was) a war. They won. “Sacred Timeline” seems to translate as “the timeline they wanted.” They kill people for doing anything that might change the timeline they want. This is justified because, supposedly, the alternative (from back when they hadn’t crushed all opposition) was so bad.

Was “Asgardian leather” a call out to the Villains Pub shorts on YouTube? That’s the only time I remember Link’s clothes being called that. He also called it “irreplaceable” and said the whole point of having it was “looking awesome.”

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rm
3 years ago

Set design and atmosphere are like a watered-down version of the weirdness from the Legion TV show. Some of the curving concrete corridors could have been the same sets. 

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3 years ago

@2: Apparently they first appeared in an 80s Thor comic.

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JD
3 years ago

Why is Loki, in this incarnation, in the comics, called the “God of Mischief?”  At least in the first Avengers Movie, he was accused of killing 40 people and did a fair job of invading Earth and destroying good parts of NY.  Thor himself accused his brother of trying to murder him, and Loki tried to eliminate his father and take the seat of power for himself. Those acts in total would seem to label him as a homicidal maniac, rather than mischievous. It’s interesting to me how Marvel has retro-fitted his appearances in film until today’s TV series to make him funnier, more fun-loving and less dangerous as time goes on, while forgetting about his past acts of mayhem. 

And yes this is only a comic book and no one should take it seriously; still it is interesting is following the plot-line of Professional wrestling to turn a cad into a loveable scamp and sometimes here. Maybe they should just retitle this “Loki in Wrestlemania”. 

krad
3 years ago

JD: Did you actually watch the episode? That disparity between him styling himself the god of mischief and what he actually did in  Avengers  is, like, the entire theme of the first episode………….

—Keith R.A. DeCandido

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Steven Hedge
3 years ago

@13 I mean Mobius called him out on that. That he wasn’t being mischevious with his actions in avengers.  He was trying to find a way to get him to realize that he was being bad, and that he could change 

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Colin R
3 years ago

Usually I have a prediction of what places I think the MCU show could take their themes, and usually it ends up some place a lot more conventional and yet also somehow unsettling.

So, I think the show starts off on a pretty strong foot–when we last saw Loki at the end of Avengers, he was basically a school or church shooter with a bigger scale and better press, not the lovable scamp that Thor: Ragnarok preferred he be.  A fascist loser.  It’s nice seeing that acknowledged again, but I’m not sure if Mobius is really appealing to Loki’s better nature–and if he is, I don’t think that’s what will happen.  Rather than cast off the ‘villain’, Loki wants to cast off the ‘loser’ part.

Given the time-looping nature of the setting and milieu and the title of the show, it seems most likely that like in Wandavision, the protagonist is also the villain; Loki is following the path he has laid for himself to escape the time cops and re-assert himself as a stronger villain.  This could be a lot of fun (was the kid Loki?  Seems quite possible!)

The conventional part comes from where this is going to leave Loki.  I suspect that, like with Wanda-vision, they’re not going to be able to bear having Loki actually be unlikeable.  He’s going to end the series as both a villain AND a loveable scamp.  The fact that he is a loveable scamp Nazi is something the show probably is not going to be able to resolve, and might even think it’s ok to leave unresolved.

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Cybersnark
3 years ago

@6, @12, which means the Time Masters actually existed first; they first appeared in print in 1959.

Really, the TVA definitely feels like what the Beeboverse’s Time Masters/Time Bureau would’ve been if they’d had a budget and a more creative art department. Their base is basically Vanishing Point, and their backstory about a multiversal war could basically describe the Crisis (and defending the “one true timeline” is the stated goal of the Linear Men in the Post-Crisis comics).

Also, an eagle-eyed viewer spotted a familiar face in the background.

palindrome310
3 years ago

Nice review!

@11 I totally agree. I only watched Season 1 of Legion, but that look and feel is definitely similar to the one in Loki

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jeffronicus
3 years ago

Came here to make sure I wasn’t alone in seeing this as a paint over of the time cops of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow with the aesthetic of Legion and Umbrella Academy, plus any number of Doctor Who episodes featuring vast bureaucracies. I mean, they’re all inspired by the same genre sources and there are only so many portal designs that make sense, but Legends’ dimensional door effect is right over there and on the air just this week.

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Robert J Uccello Jr
3 years ago

I’m always torn when an actor/actress that I love (like Gugu Mbatha-Raw)Gugu Mbatha-Raw shows up in a smaller role in something epic like the MCU. One the one hand, I’ll applaud every time I get to see them, on the other hand, what is the likelihood that the TVA Judge will be able to be Sue Storm now (or that they would bring Michael B. Jordan back as Johnny Storm – “Hey, that guy from Wakanda looks a lot like me!”)?  I guess Gemma Chan got a second chance (Hooray!!) so it’s not impossible, but still…

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3 years ago

@10  VILLIAN PUB is sheer nerd awesomeness!  For anyone who hasn’t seen the episode Ellyn mentions, here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/cXdpfdAl28Q

@17  Thanks for the info. on the Time Masters.  Most of us who are fans of LEGENDS OF TOMORROW have a definite idea where this show may very well go unless it becomes a series.  Loki would fit right in with the LEGENDS crew and their screw-you to being controlled by a bunch of anal jerks.  Leonard Snart 2.0.

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Eric S.
3 years ago

It’s fun to see the TVA too. I remember their appearances in the Fantastic Four years back, including (Fantastic Four 354) an interaction in which one of their members (Justice Peace) noted solemnly that he “cannot kid… as genetically incapable of humor as [he was] of telling an untruth.” (Er-hrm, right.) A few pages later naturally he says “Break no laws and you shall have Peace no more!”…

(arguably a dreddful pun, but pay no mind.)

Sunspear
3 years ago

R: ” (was the kid Loki?  Seems quite possible!)”

It does seem possible. Hiddleston has said the series will explore identity. And based on casting announcements, it looks like we’ll see Lady Loki and Old Loki.

What bothered me about the TVA’s stance was that it sounded a lot like “History is written by the winners.” They are actually mass murderers, wiping out entire realities because they aren’t the “right” ones. Who’s making that claim? And why are multiversal realities a bad thing? Life finds a way and this is a lot more life. Pruning and eliminating entire realities is multiversal genocide. It’s very easy to see them as fascists, with a rigid bureaucracy to boot.

So maybe the hooded one (Old Loki?) preventing such slaughter by stealing the extermination reset devices is actually doing good.

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3 years ago

@8 – I didn’t recognize the Josta, BUT – in one of the previous trailers I got way to excited about the fact that Owen was drinking a BoKu which was a short lived “elite” juice drink (that I mainly remember from the Richard Lewis commercials). So kinda interesting that they have other weird 90s throwbacks in their beverage choices :) I guess it fits into that whole beuracratic setting where everything is a bit behind the times. I also kinda got Beetlejuice vibes from the ticket scene.

I’m definitely hooked, but I have to say, I am not sure yet if I believe anything out of Loki’s mouth vis a vis his “confession”. The episode DOES go out of its way to point out how much he loves to lie. On the other hand, we do get a few moments with him alone and he does seem geuninely shook up. The idea that you are not actually a being of glorious purpose, but just somebody who messes up, causes pain, and exists to further OTHER people’s stories has to be a tough pill to swallow to somebody with so many delusions of grandeur (and/or insecurities).

That said I kind of wonder if TVA will be the ultimate villain, and the Loki variant they are hunting is THIS Loki who will end up turning against them (or he might just do it for his own benefit) – because for all his crimes (and hypocracy) he has a point that, hey, who are these guys to say what is ‘supposed’ to happen. I get the impression there is still ‘free will’ of a sort, but if you make a choice that might cause a timeline to go in a way they don’t want, they zap you. It’s kind of an interesting comparison to something like the concept of ta’veren in Wheel of Time, except that they really would NOT like ta’veren.

The other thing I can’t help but thinking about is – why would Loki want to help keep a ‘sacred timeline’ where his mother dies, among other things?

I also wonder how much Mobius might be pulling the strings. I wondered if he perhaps ‘let’ Loki escape knowing he would have that experience, but again, he does seem a bit surprised when you see the scene of him checking his pockets by himself.

I also caught the references to things like Nexus and ‘madness’ which made me think of WandaVision/Doctor Strange :)

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Julia Bierce
3 years ago

@19

 

Time Cops/Lords are an old concept in SF. Cf Poul Anderson’s TIME PATROL series (first story appears in 1955) and Isaac Asimov’s 1955 novel THE END OF ETERNITY, which involves an organization called Eternity that exists outside time and alters history in an  attempt to “improve” human society.

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Ryan
3 years ago

@24 – I just had a thought.  What if it’s a bunch of Loki variants working together to unseat the TVA?

The series is supposed to explore the various ways he reinvents and reimagines himself…  It would explain how we could get old Loki and female Loki and kid Loki.

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3 years ago

I just hope someone slips in a Mark Gruenwald homage.

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3 years ago

Oh, and here’s a question I had on rewatch – in that scene where Loki sees all the infinity stores in the drawer: would he actually know what they are at that point?

Did he know that the Tesseract (and his scepter, for that matter) were Infinity stones?  I honestly can’t remember at what point the audience, and the characters, realized they were all part of some larger thing (or if maybe the Asgardians always knew about them even if the Earthlings didn’t).

krad
3 years ago

Volstagg refers to the Tesseract and the Aether as infinity stones in Dark World when he and Sif bring the Aether to the Collector. So I’d say it’s common knowledge among Asgardians….

—Keith R.A. DeCandido

 

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3 years ago

@10 “Fine Asgardian Leather” sounded to me like a joke about “fine Corinthian leather“, which was a name Chrysler invented to sell the completely normal leather in it’s 1970’s cars

 

I read somewhere else that on Loki’s file it lists his sex as ‘fluid’, which implies we’ll be getting a femLoki at some point, I wonder who they’ll have playing her?

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3 years ago

@31 which implies we’ll be getting a femLoki at some point, I wonder who they’ll have playing her?

Jodie Comer would make a fine female Loki.

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Masha
3 years ago

I doubt we will see the Enchantress, I think we will get female Loki instead. I also think that poor kid is Kid Loki.

I predict Loki, perhaps with help of Mobius if he does not end up being a bad guy after all, will take down TVA because they are not good.

Some TVA grunt who we will barely notice, will become Kang. 

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3 years ago

@29 – thanks, I thought I remembered something like that :)

Which of course begs the question, did Loki know he had two of them at one point ;) (I googled this and apparently this is up for debate).

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3 years ago

@31  Norse myth Loki was species fluid, too.  He turned himself into a mare, was impregnated by a stallion, and gave birth to Sleipnir, the 8-legged horse that Odin rides.  

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3 years ago

@13, Loki is the “God of Mischief” because that is his designation in the Norse pantheon. Some of Loki’s antics in the few myths that we have do show him more as a trouble-maker, but the Norse Loki is inherently an evil creature. Ultimately he devises the murder of Baldur and fights against the gods in Ragnorak. The MCU is keeping the Norse moniker, but his actions are just as evil as ever. By stylizing himself as a mischief maker, Loki is excusing his own actions. 

wiredog
3 years ago

Dammit, I keep reading TVA as, well, the actual TVA.

Sunspear
3 years ago

: the rumor is  Sophia Di Martino:

Lady Loki

In the comics Loki inhabited a body meant for Lady Sif, while her spirit was elsewhere…

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Austin
3 years ago

TVA can go anywhere in time. So, um, why can’t they go back to the point in time when the other TVA people were killed? Time travel is not a logical premise, in my experience. Too many questions. 

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3 years ago

@37 Both the TVA and TVA are vast bureaucracies that have been involved in large and morally ambiguous secret projects (the Oak Hill nuclear weapons project in the case of the real world TVA), so I can see how they would be confused. ;-)

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Colin R
3 years ago

@23

I don’t much doubt that the TVA could end up being antagonists, and I suspect that the reason they are starting with shoving Loki’s fascist streak in Avengers is to draw a line between his sneering at freedom, and the TVA’s insistance on an orderly timeline.  This seems like a direction that lets them have their cake and eat it too–Loki the agent of chaos who suddenly decides he is taking a stand for Freedom.

I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense though.  If the TVA is basically enforcing the laws of nature, does their morality even come into the picture?  Like, if there was a police that enforced the laws of gravity, are they guilty of murdering Natasha Romanov?  That seems a bit much.

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3 years ago

I got a strong The End of Eternity vibe out of the TVA. Asimov’s book about the ‘time polce’ came out in 1955