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Let’s Talk About the Most Important Scene in Spider-Man: No Way Home

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Published on December 20, 2021

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…OK there are a few Most Important Scenes, I’ll admit that.

I might have uhhh screamed, real loud, at least five times during this film. I really loved it, I thought it finally gave the MCU’s Peter Parker a great story of his own, free of Tony Stark and his complications, while also balancing a wide cast of characters and a ton of expectations.

And from here I’ll have to get into spoiler territory, so only come with me if you’ve seen the film, or don’t care about knowing some STUFF.

When Tom Holland’s Spider-Man made his debut in Captain America: Civil War in 2016, I was ALL IN. I loved how we were finally getting a genuine teenage Peter Parker, played by an actor who was only a little older than his character. I loved Holland’s take on the role—he was believably naive and well-meaning, would refer to Empire Strikes Back and Alien as “old movies” without noticing the wincing of his elder teammates, and his desperation to hurry up and be an Avenger was both sweet and realistically grating. I enjoyed Homecoming and Far From Home, as well as his roles in Infinity War and Endgame.

At the same time, I understood why some people were frustrated by this take on the character. As I’ve written before, Marvel stories are very much New York stories. They are grounded in this city, dedicated to a sense of PLACE, sometimes to a comical degree. (I’m looking straight into your eyes, Netflix/Marvel shows, acting like Harlem and Hell’s Kitchen are neighboring fiefdoms separated by miles of barren, bodega-less tundra rather than a 20-minute ride on the 1 train) And while the MCU’s take on Peter Parker started out strong—Peter and his Aunt May live in a small apartment in Queens, she’s a community organizer, he goes to a public school in Midtown that he tested into, he rescues a bodega cat during his first solo film. Good stuff!—but he also simply wasn’t local enough. Even apart from the plot where he fights an alien in space, one of his own movies takes place on a field trip all over Europe. As fun as it is, he’s a long way from Forest Hills.

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The other issue of course is that he became more and more Tony Stark, Jr. The fact that you’re a working-class orphan from Queens doesn’t mean much when you can text the Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. The struggles of high school pale when you can basically go be an intern for the most famous man in the world any time you want. And even after Tony’s gone, Peter has the EDITH glasses and an aunt who absolutely supports his heroic activities, and Tony’s bff Happy Hogan to be an uncle figure-turned-maybe-actual-step-uncle. And yes, part of the awesomeness is that Peter remains grounded and sweet despite all the giant MCU shenanigans (“Oh! We’re using our made up names! Then, I am Spider-Man.”) but this version of Spider-Man has always felt worlds apart from Toby Maguire’s or Andrew Garfield’s.

But No Way Home fixes that. Hell, it fixes everything.

As my beloved colleague Emmet said in their review, “How could any one movie hope to pack so much Spider-Man into its tiny frame? The answer turns out to be relatively simple, in fact—it had to focus on what makes Spider-Man special, which has always been his need to help others.” Because the MCU Spider-Man has been dealing with giant macro issues in his own movies and in his adventures with the Avengers, we don’t often get to see him just be a caring, empathetic nerd. No Way Home remembers that this is the core of the character, and fixes its own tangled arc by making that the center of the story. Peter cares about these supervillains. He risks his own life, repeatedly, to try to heal them and send them back home whole. He uses his giant brain to come up with cures for them. He battles a wizard for them. He keeps risking his life to help them even after they’ve all tried to kill him, and even after one of them kills Aunt May. And it only works because he has the other two Spider-Men working beside him—the only superheroes in all the Multiverse who would be willing to do something this crazy just because it’s the right thing to do. (OK, maybe Nightcrawler would help, but he might not exist in this multiverse, and he’d be useless in a lab anyway.) This doesn’t just finally give the MCU’s Spider-Man a perfectly Peter Parker-y plot, it also retroactively gives Raimi and Webb’s films more satisfying conclusions, where their villains are reformed rather than killed. The whole movie revels in the specific moral universe that Spider-Man allows, where the point of being a hero is not fighting bad guys but working toward justice, and each moment in the film is carefully built to steer us away from violence and into forgiveness, redemption, and healing. (You know, something something cool youth pastor.)

No Way Home is about different types of second chances. Peter Parker wants a second chance for his friends to live normally, to go to MIT, to not have his actions as Spider-Man held against them. Obviously, the Rogue’s Gallery all get their own redemption arcs. And Peter’s fellow Spider-Men also get their second chances. Where the Raimiverse Peter Parker couldn’t save his best friend Harry from turning to the dark side and ruining his life on a quest for revenge, here he puts his own body between MCU Peter Parker and Norman Osborne, stopping the youngest Spidey from putting vengeance ahead of justice. Where the Webbverse Peter Parker failed to save Gwen Stacey, here he’s able to save the MCU’s MJ. (On top of that, the actor who had some really public issues with how he was treated by the superhero industrial complex also gets to receive love and admiration from the other two Spideys—the only people who understand how tough this job is, both in-universe and in the more meta way.)

But the MCU Peter’s second chance takes a very different form. Peter is stripped of everything. Every connection to Stark Industries—even Happy. His ties to the Avengers. His best friend and girlfriend. Where the others get to go home healed, Peter has to do it wounded, grieving, and naked. The movie is reminding us that sometimes going after a second chance hurts way more than just keeping your head down and maintaining the status quo. If you don’t mind a slight stretch, it’s showing us what happens to people who try to tell a different kind of story. After all, the version of this movie where Peter sent the villain homes to their deaths ends with Peter going home to an alive Aunt May, with an MIT Dean pleading his case up in Boston. Even the version that ended in the usual MCU CGI-slugfest ends with Peter going off to MIT, starting a new life sharing a dorm with Ned, MJ a few doors away, older and wiser from having yet again thwarted an evil and saved New York. But in this version of the story, Peter chooses the thing that Spider-Man always has to choose: he fights with his brain, to use his nerdiness as a vehicle for his empathy. And in the one moment when he slipped up and couldn’t forgive Norman? A different version of himself was there to save him from his own anger, while a second version was there to pass the cure over.

What’s the true story of Peter Parker? He always does the right thing, no matter how much it destroys him. He does the right thing in healing his Rogue’s Gallery. But the multiverse doesn’t care that a teenager was trying to work out a couple of redemption arcs—it’s still going to fracture because of the tainted spell. So Peter does the right thing, and asks Stephen Strange to work the original spell, and it destroys him.

His destruction is his second chance.

Not the uplift of Doc Ock using his tentacles for good, or Electro and Webbverse Spidey sharing a heartfelt moment together, but the stark reality of starting over from nothing. This isn’t even going back to the beginning—this is New York’s best hero thrown fully on his own wits. Peter, an orphan twice over now, has to move into a single bare room and reboot his hero career from scratch. All of his friendships, his connections to Stark Industries, his ties to the Avengers—they’re all gone. But this is where the film shows us why Spider-Man has been such an enduring hero: starting over from less than nothing sucks, sure, but Peter’s not going to give up or give in or back down. This is where he becomes most himself. (And yes, we’re coming to that important scene, now.)

Peter looks at this tiny, dingy room, and smiles. He brings a couple of cardboard boxes in, alone. He opens his phone to track emergency calls—presumably the same way he used to find people in need, way back before Tony found him. And then the camera turns and holds: a sewing machine with a half-finished, red-and-blue suit spilling across the table next to Ned’s old Emperor Palpatine LEGO, and the blue-and-white “We Are Happy To Serve You” paper cup. The incongruous sewing skills that imply either a history of crafting (with Aunt May, maybe, or Uncle Ben? Or long ago, with his mom?) or, my personal read, he was poor enough that he learned how to patch his clothes. A toy that stands as a tie to his childhood, his lost best friend, and his lifelong nerd-dom. And that fucking coffee cup. That last, disposable, inadequate tie to MJ. That innocuous paper icon of life in New York, the great equalizer, the cup that is carried by Wall Street bros and MTA workers alike. That underlines the point of Spider-Man: he isn’t flying around the world living playboy fantasies like Tony, or studying arcane arts like Strange, or searching for a found family like Star-Lord—when he was given great power he took on the responsibility for his city. He’s never going to plaster his name on a tower to look down on Manhattan, or stalk dramatically through a West Village mansion. He is that cup: sturdy and unassuming, and he’ll be there for any New Yorker who needs him.

And that’s why Spider-Man is the fucking BEST.

Leah Schnelbach may have said “This movie is my Citizen Kane” at one point, out loud, in the theater. THEY REGRET NOTHING. Come talk to them about all those surprise appearances on Twitter!

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Mitch
3 years ago

I’ve still been digesting the movie since seeing it last night. And while deeply affected I hadn’t cried yet…. This article broke me through that wall.

 

Thank you for writing it.

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Dan
3 years ago

So many favorite parts…but the leading one is the affirmation that Tobey and Tom, give to Andrew.   You’re Amazing!

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3 years ago

This was beautiful.

I hadn’t realized it until now, but No Way Home is basically the MCU’s take on One More Day/Brand New Day, but legitimizes it in a way that the comics didn’t. Comics Peter made a deal with the devil after Aunt May died because everyone knew his identity. MCU Peter made a deal with a wizard and then Aunt May died because he tried to eat his cake and have it, too, which messed up the spell. MCU Peter gives up everything and still has to live with the consequences of his actions.

Also, the “We Are Happy To Serve You” cup, while also a tie to MJ, is also a great reminder and a great motto for him to live by.

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Halibulu
3 years ago

What hit me (other than literally everything else in the movie) was seeing the GED test study guide in his few belongings at the end, and realizing just how complete the “it’s as if Peter Parker never existed” spell worked. He didn’t just lose his friends and family, but also his entire life’s history. He didn’t get to finish high school. His great genius and academic work went to naught, and he has to get a GED and presumably an associate’s degree to advance his ambitions (no shade to either of them, but it is a drop from jumping straight to MIT).

Oh, AND all of the trauma and grieving and pain in his heart right now? He has NO one to talk it over with. No one to offer him comfort and succor. He’s a teen left adrift to navigate the complexities of all that loss (hell, this picks up right after far from home so he’s still processing losing Tony even), and I just feel for the lad. No Way Home, indeed!

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Bill
3 years ago

Only Fellowship of the Ring left me more excited and satisfied by a movie.   I cried and laughed and happy cried and cried more.  The only disappointment was rehashed villains I never cared for to begin with.  

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3 years ago

The only criticism I’d have of that essay is that of all the Spider movie villains mentioned, Doc Ock was redeemed in his first movie appearance.  I know it’s been a while, but he died making sure that his power plant didn’t explode and destroy New York City.

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3 years ago

I agree with the sentiment, but I’m not so sure about the details. The final spell made it so that nobody would remember Peter Parker – but they do remember Spider-Man. The Avengers, whoever’s left of them, would remember Spider-Man fighting Thanos. Happy, at the end of this film, accepts that the kid next to him knew May through Spider-Man, which bears this out.

It stands to reason that computers aren’t affected. He still has a bank account, but the teller at the local branch won’t remember him if he goes inside. This raises an interesting question: if people forgot that Parker exists, what about the video footage from the Mysterio incident? That, logically, still exists. Marvel/Sony will have to handwave that away, of course… otherwise, the soft reboot of the character here doesn’t really work. I guess what I’m saying is that from this point on, they can pick and choose what “people don’t remember Peter Parker” really means.

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3 years ago

Love this article so much.  In a Discord with some friends I wrote this in our spoiler safe channel after seeing it this weekend.

Seriously, one of the bigger problems comic book movies have had over their paper serialized counterparts has been a nearly unrelenting need to kill the villain as closure, whereas with superheroics, one of the draws is the aspirational nature of the hero character. They find other ways, better ways due to their gifted nature. I think that’s one of the main reasons that the Zach Snyder Superman movies feel wrong to me is that he seems unable to find ways to drive character conflict and growth without making them dirty in the process. Spiderman isn’t exactly a paladin archetype like Supes, but one of his core characteristics is his essential good heartedness, that sense of “this is what a good neighbor does for his people, for his tribe” and since Spiderman is from New York, well the tribe is multifaceted and enormous. While the movies don’t (usually) go so far as to have the hero actively wield the knife metaphorically speaking, they do tend to have the antagonist die either by their own hand, or as a consequence of their actions. From a practical story viewpoint, this is a problem because you can’t (usually) bring someone back after you’ve offed them. But from a story mechanics point of view, it’s also unsatisfying because Spiderman would try to do better and the story said he (or she in the case of SpiderGwen) couldn’t. Even for all their gifts, the hero couldn’t do better.

This movie can’t fix that completely but holy **** it tries so goddamned hard. Aunt May being the moral core of Peter Parker is a throughline and he tries to do better, tries to save his antagonists, make them better. And, the story LETS HIM SUCCEED. There’s help, he couldn’t do it wholly on his own (the friendly multiversal neighboorhood helps him) but he succeeded in fixing them. Even if it doesn’t ultimately change their fate, for a moment, he saved the people he should have for the past 20 years but the narrative told him he couldn’t.

 

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3 years ago

While it does seem like they severed his ties to everything, I’m pretty sure they left ways to bring him back into the Avengers.

Iirc, the spell would erase everyone on Earth’s memories, yet when he was being questioned by Damage Control, it was mentioned that Nick Fury was still off planet. (There’s also Thor, Captain Marvel, and the GotG out there, but I’m less sure they know who he is.)

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3 years ago

@6: And in this movie, Ock is not punished for that redemption. He is allowed to go back with an Arc Reactor and the means to stabilize his machine, free to pursue a life of science with Peter in the new universe that is created.

DigiCom
3 years ago

I’m of a strongly divided mind on this one.

On the one hand, everything you say is correct & true to the character.

On the other hand, one of the things that drove me away from the Spider-man comics was the insistence that the “Parker luck” (and oh, how I grew to loathe that expression) meant that no matter what he did, Peter was doomed to be a bit of a schlub, scrabbling for his rent and lacking anything remotely resembling a happy ending.

In ongoing comics, where the illusion of change requires a certain status quo, it made a certain (depressing) sense, but there’s no real justification for it in the movies, other than “The PTB want it that way”.

Sure, have the spell erase the knowledge of his secret ID, so he no longer has the safety net of calling up Happy/Pepper for a new suit, or access to Avengers resources.  I’m OK with that.  But erasing his entire LIFE?  Removing his closest friend AND the woman he grew to love, as well as erasing his achievements as a student, not as Spidey?

It just comes off a bit sadistic to me, and it makes me uncomfortable.

YMMV, of course.

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ED
3 years ago

 @10. Perene: Even in the original timeline Doctor Octavius wasn’t punished for his redemption, he was forced to accept the consequences of having rigged up a terrifyingly powerful device – which he knew to be fatally flawed and explosively dangerous – without bothering to include any means of switching it off safely (Then proceeding to whale on the only person who showed up able to help for long enough that there simply weren’t any good options left open in the time they had left).

 So yes, it’s most definitely a pity that the Good Doctor wasn’t able to make his redemption a more long-lived process, but that’s his own responsibility quite as much as any cruel trick of Fate.  

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ED
3 years ago

 One point that’s been vexing me since I watched this – very excellent – film: Peter would have spared himself a great deal of trouble if, instead of demanding exceptions to the Big Tricky Spell, he was willing to do the work of reintroducing his loved ones to that secret identity of his.

 This would, admittedly, have been a headache and (potentially) a heartache, but it’s a perfectly mundane situation that would NOT have imperilled the fabric of Space & Time – much like Doctor Strange’s suggestion that Peter might have appealed MIT’s verdict.

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Xnbach
3 years ago

I think they can get a lot of mileage out of an “it’s magic” hand wave, but I am pretty sure things that are pure Peter Parker (Ban account, ID, May’s insurance) still exist, memories of Spider-Man of course still exist, but anything that connects Parker and Spidey are gone. The Mysterio video no longer exists, all the News coverage and Dept of Damage Control records are wiped, nobody at Midtown remembers him anymore.

The Surviving Avengers remember Stark bringing in Spidey, but nobody knows his identity and folks figured that knowledge died with Stark. Not sure if the spell was just Earth or the whole universe (since it had multiverse effects) but even if it was just Earth, that means only Fury and Danvers would still remember. The Guardians mostly fought Thanos alongside Spider-Man instead of hanging out with Parker. Thor and Parker never met onscreen. Maybe they exchanged condolences off screen at Tony’s funeral, but I doubt MCU Thor knows who Peter is.

Personally, I am hoping that Peter eventually ends up going to Columbia instead of MiT and eventually makes friends with another college student named Johnny Storm. Maybe Bobby Drake will show up by then as well.

DigiCom
3 years ago

Personally, I am hoping that Peter eventually ends up going to Columbia instead of MiT and eventually makes friends with another college student named Johnny Storm. Maybe Bobby Drake will show up by then as well.

So, the next movie would be Spider-Man: Amazing Friends?

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3 years ago

@14 Instead of Johnny Storm, keep Bobby Drake and add Angelica Jones.

DigiCom
3 years ago

@16:  Amusingly, that’s why Firestar was created.  They couldn’t get the rights to use Johnny (which is the same reason why the contemporary FF cartoon used HERBIE).

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3 years ago

I got teary at several parts of the movie, and this review made me teary all over again.

Return of the Jedi is another one of those movies that touches me deeply in its main hero’s insistence that a villain can be healed, or cured, or redeemed in some small way.  In which the main battle is not for the galaxy, but for one person’s soul, going against the advice of his elders.  It’s a purely un-pragmatic move.

Over the past few years, I’ve had a complicated relationship with my Catholic faith/spirituality, and in some ways I feel this movie is more Catholic than I am. I’ve become hardened/cynical in a lot of ways, definitely more prone to Strange’s cold pragmatism and willingness to write people off once they’ve gone down a certain path, for the overall good.  This is one of those movies that makes me wish I could be better.  

And yet, in real life it’s often so much messier – there are no quick potions or devices that can “cure” people who insist on using their power to hurt others. I’m not sure at which point you have to accept they are making their choices. I also think maybe the movie equated a little too much of their villainhood with their power (Electro’s electricity, etc) and not their choices. For Osborne (and Ock) that might makes sense as it’s spelled out that these things are interfering with their personalities (and Osborne also seems to maybe have some other latent issues)…is the same assumption here with Electro that the electricity power was actually altering who he was? FWIW, I really liked Max Dillon in his movie – he was a character I related quite a bit too, and honestly, I choked up a little when he and Garfield!Spider-Man got to have their moment. (ALSO, my very white kid was all, “Yeah, we need a Black Spider-Man. Wait – Miles Morales is Black Spider-Man!” and was really excited about that).

I do love that they stayed true to Ock’s character as well – as he DID redeem himself in his own movie so I’m glad that he was also the one that, once he got his personality back, was true to that. (And that hit of the Elfman soundtrack when he reunited with MacGuire!Spider-man, OMG, I teared up there too).

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3 years ago

Also, adding on to my previous comment, regarding Aunt May and spirituality, it occurs to me that in the Raimi Spider-Man movies, she is also one of the only characters shown to be praying (and also imparts her own important advice to Peter in the second movie – which of course also has the famous and very not-subtle ‘Pieta’ imagery on the subway).

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3 years ago

Beautiful, beautiful article, thank you.

I have already put down some of my thoughts underneath Emmet’s article, here I will just paraphrase (to match Peter’s gender) a quote from Brandon Sanderson’s Words of Radiance: “Then he smiled. Oh, storms. He smiled anyway.”

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3 years ago

This was such a great movie, and you did a great job of getting right to its heart, Leah. Thanks for this.

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3 years ago

FYI, that coffee cup has a name, the Anthora coffee cup, and the designer was Leslie Buck, a Jewish Holocaust survivor. You can find out more about him and the cup by a simple internet search.

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Mr. Magic
3 years ago

@18 / Lisa Marie:

I do love that they stayed true to Ock’s character as well – as he DID redeem himself in his own movie so I’m glad that he was also the one that, once he got his personality back, was true to that. (And that hit of the Elfman soundtrack when he reunited with MacGuire!Spider-man, OMG, I teared up there too).

Yeah, that was my favorite moment of the film after Charlie Cox’s cameo (heh, Daredevil’s my favorite Marvel character).

I especially loved the callback to their first meeting in Spider-Man 2. That got me genuinely emotional and tearing up.

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Gary Jaron
3 years ago

Okay…I confess when Tobey Maguire showed up on the screen I clapped – and then lots of people clapped!

 

This was a great dead-on essay!  We finally get a young kid actor playing the ‘Friendly NEIGHBORHOOD Spider-man’!

 

 

 

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Gareth Wilson
3 years ago

Maybe Bobby Drake will show up by then as well.

I couldn’t help thinking that Peter is now a teenager with bizarre superpowers, no obvious connections to powerful corporations or superhero teams, and no social support group. If they really are bringing in a whole new corner of the Marvel Universe, he’s an obvious target for recruitment.

“Do you mean mutant like leave the cilantro out of the burrito, or like on Futurama?”

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Gary Li
3 years ago

I did feel that, until No Way Home, the MCU Spiderman had access to WAY more resources than the previous incarnation, for example (as previously mentioned) the backing of Stark Industries, Happy Hogan, EDITH, the Avengers, even Ned as The Guy In The Chair. By movie’s end, his circumstances are equivalent to Tobey Maguire’s Spiderman 2 and the PS4 Spiderman game: living alone in a crappy apartment, presumably struggling to pay rent and hold down a job and/or college degree while being Spiderman. It was so brutal, but it still managed to be hopeful. 

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Gary Li
3 years ago

One more thing – I get why Marvel brought in Matt Murdock, but plot wise, the only lawyer Stark Industries could get for Peter, May, Happy etc was Matt Murdock? Where was Pepper? Don’t Happy and Pepper talk anymore?

trike
3 years ago

The coffee cup is fraught with meaning. It is quintessentially New York, but also designed by a Jewish Holocaust survivor, who lost everyone in his family except his brother as a teenager to the Nazis. It was intended originally just to make money, and featured a Grecian-inspired design because Greek immigrants dominated the NYC coffee shop trade in the 1950s and 60s, but it eventually came to mean more, as people saw it as a small representation of starting over at square one in a new life: immigrants and survivors, yes, but also just people who moved to New York in pursuit of their dreams.

All of that applies to Peter as well. A teenage survivor who has lost everythingstarting over, willing to help, to be in service to others. A lot of heavy lifting being done by that paper cup.

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ED
3 years ago

 Saw this film for the second time tonight –

Still a great deal of fun, right up to the point where it plays your heartstrings like the Devil’s own harpist – there are some joys to be found even after that point, but you’ll need to smile through tears.

 Also, I keep wondering who would play the Doctor Strange of Spider-Maguire’s timeline (Alluded to in Spider-Man 2, but never yet shown): The mental image of a moustachioed Joaquin Phoenix greeting Spider-Man 2 like an old friend (“I’d be happy to make a house call” says he, as he makes the ‘Open Portal’ gesture) despite their never having met before makes me smile.

 Bonus points if the local Doctor Strange takes news of the multiverse madness with some equanimity, but visibly cracks up when Pete mentions some clown related mayhem in passing.

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3 years ago

I agree with @7 danielmclark, the spell erased Peter Parker, but not Spider-Man. He should still have all his connections to the Avengers, and possibly to Stark. The last scenes show us Spider-Man is still known, Happy’s conversation with Peter at the cemetery indicates that May’s connection to Spider-Man is known, at least to Happy. And JJJ is still fulminating against Spider-Man on his vlog.

14. Xnbach

I think they can get a lot of mileage out of an “it’s magic” hand wave, but I am pretty sure things that are pure Peter Parker (Ban account, ID, May’s insurance) still exist, memories of Spider-Man of course still exist, but anything that connects Parker and Spidey are gone. The Mysterio video no longer exists, all the News coverage and Dept of Damage Control records are wiped, nobody at Midtown remembers him anymore.

If I’m understanding you correctly, I disagree. The spell wiped Peter completely. He doesn’t exist. There is no record of bank accounts or May’s insurance to help him. Note that neither MJ or Ned recognized Peter as Peter when he came into the doughnut shop. Both of them knew him from school before they knew he was Spider-Man. If only the connection was removed they should have known him when he came in, and the GED test booklet shouldn’t be necessary.

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Mike
3 years ago

@27 If we are taking Daredevil’s show into account, it has already been established that he is the go to guy for heros.. Happy may know he is the best one to represent a powered individual, though he may not be be the best corporate lawyer.

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Kevin R S
3 years ago

Yes, the spell erased all memory of Peter Parker, not just the connection to Spider Man. For completeness of the Peter erasure, a lot of Spider Man specific memories are also gone, that would be why he has no connection to the avengers anymore, though, have we seen any mention of avengers as an operating concern since Tony’s funeral? Happy was still a source for tech, but may have been there as much because Peter was related to May as because he was Spiderman.

Remaining Avengers knowledge of Spiderman is probably vague, “oh, he showed up and helped fight Thanos but then disappeared. Don’t know who he is or how he got there. He’s some vigilante”

Now Peter is actually in a difficult situation. He has no identity, no records, no birth certificate, social security number etc. He probably had to go to his former home before whoever the next closest relative or whatever came, and get his 2 boxes of stuff (that includes nothing that even had his name on it, that stuff disappeared) and what cash he could, then use that cash to buy some forged documents to even be able to take that GED course and get a job.
The big theory was that Peter was replacing Tony in the MCU, but that’s pretty much gone as a possibility without pretty much undoing the end of this movie.

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3 years ago

@32 Kevin R S

We don’t know what the movies might do, of course. But from how the spell was described I don’t think any of his connections to the Avengers should be affected. He was prominent in the Civil War and in the actual Thanos war. His Peter Parker identity would be largely irrelevant to that. I not even sure that most of the Avengers, other than Tony and Dr. Strange, of course, ever knew his identity until Mysterio revealed it. So there memories of him should be clear and definite that he participated and was fairly prominent.

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Steven
3 years ago

I loved that they brought in all the previous movie characters, but overall, I was highly disappointed in the movie and thought it was one giant plothole.

First, Peter went to Dr. Strange, one of the most powerful sorcerors, with a problem. Dr. Strange didn’t sit down and talk through with Peter all of the potentials nor ask if there were any exceptions he wanted worked into the spell. He just jumped right in and started and made a huge mess. This mess was not Peter’s fault, and yet somehow, Peter gets all the consequences.

Also, the biggest issue that I have is that none of it was necessary. Instead of erasing Peter Parker, they could have just erased Spider-Man. Then all of the Avengers still know Peter, his friends still know him, he still has his life. He’s still Spider-Man, so he can just start being Spider-Man again, reintroducing himself to the world and telling his secret to his friends.

Because of that easy fix that a simple discussion could have allowed, my enjoyment of the movie was greatly diminished.

So, yeah, in my opinion, it was a big ole mess that did no justice to the character the MCU has built and all the work they’ve put in to reinvigorate the world’s love of Spider-Man nor to the attention to detail that Disney has had in the MCU/continuity thus far.

That being said, the actors all did a great job, and it was a joy to see them all interact. I especially loved the moment between Zendaya/MJ and Andrew Garfield’s Peter  – really poignant moment for me.

DigiCom
3 years ago

@34

I strongly suspect (but cannot prove) that Sony/Feige/somebody decreed that Peter needed to be forced into a position closer to the comics.  He was too happy/loved/successful to stay the same.

I fully agree, however, that erasing his secret identity could & should have been MUCH less drastic than “Erasing his existence completely”.

Then again, I’m addicted to irondad fics, so I’m biased. :D