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Supergirl is a Metaphor for Being a Modern Woman

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As pilots go, CBS’ Supergirl is about what you would expect: The 42-minute episode is basically an expanded version of the three-minute preview we saw months ago. At the time, io9 claimed that sequences of Kara Danvers running through National City in twee sweaters, quailing before her bitchy boss, and grinning dumbly at cute boys resembled the Black Widow chick lit parody that Saturday Night Live had released just weeks prior. But Supergirl is very aware of the preconceived notions stacked up against it, as evidenced by the meta conversation between Kara (Melissa Benoist) and the fearsome Cat Grant (Callista Flockhart) about the latter branding the former:

Kara: “If we call her Supergirl, something less than what she is, doesn’t that make us antifeminist?”

Cat: “What do you think is so bad about ‘girl’? I’m a girl, and your boss, and powerful, and rich, and hot, and smart. So, if you perceive Supergirl as anything less than excellent, isn’t the real problem… you?”

It’s this kind of commentary on sexism that gives you a reason to stick around.

(Some spoilers for the pilot episode.)

In almost every scene, the Supergirl pilot is about a woman falling short of expectations, usually set by men. Consider one of the first shots: Jor-El and Lara lovingly place their baby Kal-El (complete with spit-curl) in a spaceship and send him far away from Krypton… then the camera pans to the second spaceship, where 13-year-old Kara Zor-El is tearfully saying goodbye to her mother and father before bravely stepping up as her cousin’s protector. It raises the question: Why not put them in the same spaceship? Because the minute or so that Kara’s parents dally changes the course of time for her: Her ship gets caught by shrapnel from the exploded Krypton, sending her into the Phantom Zone. By the time she makes it to Earth, an adult Superman wrenches open her pod and brings her to the Danvers family, scientists who have already cracked the mystery of his Kryptonian powers. They also have a daughter, Alex, who suddenly gets an alien sister her age. (If you want to know more about the comics’ origins of Supergirl for a comparison, check out a brief history of the last daughter of Krypton.)

I have to assume the Kryptonians’ reasoning for not putting Kara and Kal-El in the same pod was to double their chances of a child making it to Earth. But once Kara lands, she’s superfluous: Superman has already revealed himself to mostly positive reaction, so why throw a wrench into things again? So now, this girl who has psyched herself up for becoming a superhero decides to live out her adolescence as a normal kid—and, considering that she now lives in a solar system where the yellow sun enhances her every ability, she is purposely selling herself short.

Supergirl Cat Grant Callista Flockhart

Are we supposed to be surprised, then, that 24-year-old Kara is paying her dues working for media company CatCo? That she’s like Anne Hathaway in the beginning of The Devil Wears Prada—fumbling, unable to stand up for herself, unwilling to use her heat vision to make Cat Grant’s latte appropriately scathing hot? She’s willing to set aside her superpowered privilege to work her way up through the ranks like a normal person, yet all she gets is Cat saying things like, “If you can’t take credit for doing something well, you’ll be at the bottom of the pile forever.”

Kara is damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t. Thankfully, she decides to start doing, when her sister Alex’s (Chyler Leigh, formerly of Grey’s Anatomy) life is in danger thanks to a malfunctioning plane. And so crisis creates Supergirl! I will give the showrunners this, we see tons of action in the first episode: Kara threading a burning plane through a bridge with minimal damage; deflecting bullets (set coolly to “She’s a Bad Mama Jama”) at a bank robbery; and playing chicken with a giant oil tanker. Even mastering flight just took a single hop; her powers aren’t rusty at all. And her utter glee at finally fulfilling her potential is infectious. Here is a girl who has intentionally limited herself her entire life and has just taken off the restraints.

Supergirl pilot review Melissa Benoist
Photo credit: Darren Michaels/CBS

But, lest you forget that Kara is a girl, the Department of Extranormal Operations certainly hasn’t. Hank Henshaw (David Harewood) in particular sneers at this new superhero, thinking her inept—not because of the level of her powers, which are inarguably super, but because she’s a flighty girl who’s just going to cause more trouble than the levelheaded Superman. (Which begs the question of how much this series is actually tied to Man of Steel.) But with the introduction of the DEO comes a small and interesting twist: Alex Danvers is a secret agent! Alex is a new character created solely for the show, but already this reveal gets you thinking about nature versus nurture: She acknowledges that growing up with an alien sister certainly helped steer her career path, but that as a brilliant bio-engineer in her own right she earned her job. Yet later she privately asks Henshaw just how she got the job. His response is about as withering as his appraisal of Kara: “She’s why you got in. You are why you get to stay.” Backhanded compliment much?

In case you hadn’t had enough of men undermining women, we meet the season’s lineup of monsters-of-the-week: The escaped convicts of Fort Rozz, an ancient Kryptonian military base thrown into the Phantom Zone for all eternity. Too bad that when Kara’s ship finally escaped the Phantom Zone, she dragged Fort Rozz with her. Girls, am I right? So now, of course, they’ve scattered all around and are looking for someone to take revenge on. The latter half of the pilot is taken up with Kara fighting Vartox, a reptilian ex-con who snarls, “Just because you wear the symbol on your chest doesn’t mean you’re him. Fighting him would be an honor. Fighting you is an exercise.” It’s a great moment when Kara is able to use her heat vision to overpower him, though Vartox still offs himself so that he won’t be taken alive or betray the identity of the show’s big bad.

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One of Supergirl‘s greatest triumphs is obliterating the Bechdel-Wallace test in nearly every scene. (Alex helps Kara pick an outfit for an online date, and even that scene ends with the cute reminder that “when in doubt, blue is totally your color.”) As brutal as Cat Grant is, her criticisms of Kara are projections of her own insecurity: CatCo and The Daily Tribune have always been second-best to Metropolis and The Daily Planet. And, returning to that earlier conversation, Cat asserts her own type of power by branding Supergirl with her name before anyone else can.

The interpersonal relationships between women on this show are an engaging push-and-pull between mentors and mentees, and competitors. Rather than stewing over it for a season, Alex reveals that her love for Kara has always been intertwined with a healthy jealousy: “I was the star, but then suddenly there was someone who could touch the stars.” Most of all, Kara wants to live up to the memory of her mother, Alura Zor-El. The problem is, she’s living out the sins of her mother, as Alura (a judge?) is the one who put away all of Fort Rozz’s convicts. Add that to the fact that the pilot’s final reveal is the season’s big supervillain… Alura’s twin sister Astra! (I knew that when they introduced Laura Benanti as Alura, she wasn’t going to just stay as a hologram giving nuggets of inspiration whenever Kara needs it. Now she gets to lift her up and bring her down!)

Supergirl Kara Alex
Photo credit: Cliff Lipson/CBS

Yet despite that last-act reveal, I wish that more had happened. The best television pilots set up what you saw in the preview and then up the stakes even moreHow I Met Your Mother spent 22 minutes fawning over Robin Scherbatsky, only to reveal that she was Aunt Robin. Everwood created the ultimate early-00s ‘ship of Ephram and Amy, only to introduce her comatose boyfriend Colin. Not only does The Flash transform Barry Allen into a meta-human, but while he’s exploring his new powers, we also discover that his mentor Dr. Wells is 1) not paralyzed and 2) has a newspaper from the future! Supergirl‘s executive producer Greg Berlanti should know better, as he served/serves as EP on the latter two series.

Something the show could do is sharpen the details of the here and now in which it’s set. There’s an amusing scene where Kara uses her super-hearing to catch on that her online date is trying to ditch her, but why don’t we know if she uses OkCupid or Tinder? And while we know that Supergirl goes viral (though the phrase is never explicitly used) after she saves the plane, the major evidence of her existence is presented in the bevy of TV screens (isn’t that a villain trope?) in Cat Grant’s office, as well as the first clear photo that Kara’s “source” gets of Supergirl stopping a heist—a print, not an Instagram post.

Supergirl James Olsen Mehcad Brooks Melissa Benoist
Photo credit: Richard Cartwright/CBS

Speaking of photos, it’s Jimmy James Olsen! I’ve spent so much time talking about women fighting the patriarchy that I should actually touch upon the male supporting characters. Kudos to the producers for not only making James Olsen black, but for giving him sex appeal. This might be my favorite role I’ve seen Mehcad Brooks (who came on the scene via True Blood) in. Less appealing is Winn (Smash‘s Jeremy Jordan), the cliché best friend/nice guy who would rather think that Kara is a lesbian (groan) than that she simply isn’t into him. By the end of the pilot, they both know her secret identity and react in different and telling ways: Winn is there for her costume montage and tries to convince her to stay in a midriff-baring/hot-pants ensemble, with teh kicker being “Whoa, you look really pretty without your glasses” (GROAN); James helps Kara keep her job by arranging the Supergirl photo shoot and not taking credit. And while I’m looking forward to James as a potential romantic interest (Kara’s first reaction to him is “wa-pow”), the show sets up the two as more of her bros than points on a love triangle.

Here’s a reason why you should stick with Supergirl: Whereas Clark Kent is Kal-El’s secret identity, Kara Danvers didn’t grow up with that same need to create another persona. With her, what you see is what you get. And I see a fledgling superhero whose appearance coincides with important discussion about taking girls—and women—more seriously. This is a good start:

Supergirl Melissa Benoist Girl Scouts

Supergirl airs Mondays at 8 p.m. on CBS

Natalie Zutter is just so glad they didn’t bring back that awful “Fight Song” from the trailers. You can read more of her work on Twitter and elsewhere.

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Natalie Zutter is a writer and pop culture critic based in Brooklyn. In addition to her work at Reactor, she writes about SFF for Lit Hub and NPR Books as well as contemporary romance and thrillers for Paste Books. Find her on Bluesky, Instagram, and Twitter.
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krad
9 years ago

My guess is that OKCupid, Tinder, Instagram, and Twitter were not mentioned explicitly because they didn’t pay for the privilege. Product placement comes with exchange of monies, and I can see the producers not wanting to give them free publicity…..

—Keith R.A. DeCandido

 

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9 years ago

Regarding secret identities, I wonder how much of the difference is between a story where the hero must keep his heroism closeted, versus a story where the hero is out?  The secret identity seems a relic of the past, affirmation for those who must keep part of their lives hidden.  The modern superhero is out and proud.

It’s particularly interesting because Kara’s coming out as Supergirl is explicitly juxtaposed with the idea of coming out as a lesbian.

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9 years ago

The show is not related in any way to the movies.   They blew that out of the water in the first few minutes.  Kara arrives 24 years after Clark.  Then she doesn’t come into her own as Supergirl for another 10.  If we were going with the movie continuity, this would be set in a post Justice League world. 

Benoist is incredible, I love everything about her portrayal.  Her SQUEE over seeing herself on TV.  Her look of pure joy when she reminds Alex she can fly. 

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9 years ago

@2, Interesting, we’ll have to keep watching.  Wouldn’t it be great if they made Cat a lesbian?  Speaking of, LOVING Callista Flockhart!

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9 years ago

Clark is Clark, and becomes Superman as an adult. He was never Kal-El, because he was solely raised by the Kents. Kara, on the other hand, came to Earth as a teen, so she is Kara Zor-El, calling herself Kara Danvers, pretending to be Supergirl. Maybe Clark acts differently when he’s Superman, to avoid giving himself away, but if Kara is going to behave exactly the same as Supergirl, then she might as well use her street clothes.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

I liked the pilot so much I watched it again this morning. I love how unapologetically feminist it is. I hear a lot of fanboy whining about how they changed Jimmy Olsen or whatever, but I also hear a lot of people saying how excited they are to have a superhero show they can watch with their daughters, and that is so much more important. 

I do have minor quibbles, though. For instance, the show got Alura’s name wrong. Kryptonian female second names are the names of their fathers, not their husbands. Kara Zor-El is the daughter of Zor-El and Alura In-Ze. Jor-El’s wife is Lara Lor-Van. And so on. At most, it should be Alura-El, since some versions refer to Lara as Lara-El. (It’s just as patriarchal either way, though.)

Speaking of which, what does it say about family values on Krypton (or other alien worlds) that the Fort Rozz prisoners who are determined to get revenge on Alura are only interested in targeting her daughter rather than her nephew Kal-El? Okay, implicitly they’re too afraid of Superman to go after him, but why couldn’t they have ganged up on him or something? Maybe there’s some cultural reason why direct parental lineage is considered more important.

And while we’re on the subject, if Krypton had enough contact with alien life to have a bunch of aliens of different species in its prison, then why the hell didn’t they have enough ships to evacuate more than two kids when the planet blew up?

 

@2/Ursula: I was disappointed that Kara was so emphatic about saying “I’m not gay!” True, she just meant to say “That’s not the secret I have to reveal,” but hearing that line delivered so forcefully has some unfortunate implications. I wish she’d said something more neutral like, “No, that’s not it!”

I think the diminution of secret identities in modern shows is more about the increased serialization of modern shows. Back when every episode was about restoring the status quo, a hero could keep his secret for years on end. But these days, there have to be big changes and revelations and plot advances happening all the time, and character interactions have to grow and change, so secrets don’t get kept for long. George Reeves’s Superman and Adam West’s Batman kept their secret identities indefinitely. Smallville‘s Clark Kent had a new character learn his secret maybe every two seasons on average. Arrow‘s Oliver Queen had a new person learn his secret approximately once every four episodes in the first season. And on The Flash and Supergirl, they’ve just skipped right past the secrecy and had the characters in the know from the start.

I think part of it, also, is that we’re so much more interconnected now. With the Internet and mobile phones and texting and selfies and everything, our lives are so much more exposed and intertwined, and privacy is lessened. It’s harder to keep secrets, or to justify having fictional characters keep theirs. Modern superheroes are members of larger support networks rather than independent loners, because society is more networked.

 

@5/lordmagnusen: I think she did act differently as Supergirl, carrying herself with more confidence and speaking in a less diffident and quavery manner.

That said, there’s a long history of TV/film superhero actors who made no effort at all to differentiate their hero and civilian personas. If I could suspend disbelief with George Reeves, Lynda Carter, and Dean Cain, I can do it with Melissa Benoist.

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9 years ago

RE: the aliens in Fort Rozz, it’s only so they don’t have a bunch of Kryptonians running around. :)

 

As for Kara’s attitude as Supergirl, I must watch the pilot again, but I wasn’t dissing Benoist (I think she did a great job in the pilot), just challenging the idea that 
she never had the need to create another identity until becoming Supergirl, while Kal-El had to disguise himself as Clark Kent. It’s the other way around. He came to Earth as a newborn baby and was raised by the Kents, as in Byrne’s Man Of Steel, he is Clark Kent, and only later discovers/accepts his identity as Kal-El (same goes for the most recent movie of the same name). Kara Zor-El came to Earth with a formed identity as a Kryptonian, and had to learn to be a Terran girl, and now has to learn how to be Supergirl.

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9 years ago

It also had the higher ratings premiere of the fall!

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9 years ago

“Cat: “What do you think is so bad about ‘girl’? I’m a girl, and your boss, and powerful, and rich, and hot, and smart. So, if you perceive Supergirl as anything less than excellent, isn’t the real problem… you?”

Umm – this is literally the point where I rolled my eyes big time (to be fair, I wasn’t that into it in the first place and was watching it with my husband).  I’m a female technical/professional, and work for a company with a female CEO.  Nobody where I work acts like this.  Definitely over this portrayal of ‘powerful’ women.

But your general idea – about exploring the ways we do and don’t take girls seriously – is on point.  I love the idea of shows about girls and women who live up to their potential and abilities. I just think it would work better in this show if everybody wasn’t straight out of a stereotype catalogue.  Actually the only thing I really enjoyed about it was the relationship between the two sisters which surprisingly was NOT cliché and catty and they actually had a more or less normal, sisterly, loving relationship (maybe with some bumps here and there) that wasn’t about two women trying to outdo/bring each other down.

But then we get the evil!twin sister villain at the end ;) (Although I do give it points for having a decent amount of main female characters.)

So, I suppose I like the idea more than the show. Not sure I will keep watching or not…this episode was kind of cardboard cutout/predictable to me and nothing about it really drew me in or intrigued me.

krad
9 years ago

I honestly would have liked it better if they hadn’t discussed the name at all, as Cat’s argument is nonsense, and just a very unconvincing figleaf on the real reason, which is that this TV show is an adaptation of a 56-year-old character, and the name is pretty well entrenched. Sigh.

—Keith R.A. DeCandido

 

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9 years ago

@9 – Lisamarie: It IS a pilot, and both writers and actors are getting comfortable with the characters. Give it a couple episodes more.

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9 years ago

Regarding secret identities:  Is Kara’s character even bothering to hide it? In the pilot, the only reason nobody knows its her is because there’s no clear photo of her as Suprgirl yet. (Which is a stretch, IMO).  Even when Cat gets James’ clearer photo of her, wouldn’t she look up and do a double take on Kara?

Really hoping the show doesn’t try to convince us that wearing your hair up and putting on glasses will hide your identity. 

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9 years ago

@11 Cat’s argument is nonsense

Not to the actual not-adult girls and boys that are the target demographic of this show(although it did better with teen boys, surprise!), they need to hear pretty often that there isn’t anything wrong with being a girl, because the rest of the world is eager to tell them there is. 

People, this show is not for those of us invested in feminism.  It’s for those who’ve just started noticing the different ways the world treats men/boys and women/girls, and giving them someone to relate to, who faces those same struggles. 

 

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9 years ago

If hiding your secret identity behind glasses and a different hairstyle (plus a different attitude) is not something you can suspend your disbelief for, then this might not be the right genre for you to watch…

MatthewB
9 years ago

@11 

Cat’s argument is nonsense, and just a very unconvincing figleaf on the real reason, which is that this TV show is an adaptation of a 56-year-old character, and the name is pretty well entrenched.

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Not to the actual not-adult girls and boys that are the target demographic of this show(although it did better with teen boys, surprise!), they need to hear pretty often that there isn’t anything wrong with being a girl, because the rest of the world is eager to tell them there is. 

People, this show is not for those of us invested in feminism.  It’s for those who’ve just started noticing the different ways the world treats men/boys and women/girls, and giving them someone to relate to, who faces those same struggles.

Both of these statements are true.

In the larger picture, it is a convenient justification for something that did start with some fairly standard sexism for its time.

Inside the show itself and in the minds of the young fans, the argument is important and true.

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9 years ago

I dunno, to me the “girl” speech read more as “I know there’s legitimate issues about the sexism of this, but I, as a male writer, can just put an argument that it’s not sexist in the mouth of a female character so it’ll gain legitimacy.”  Particularly with the “If you have a problem with it, isn’t the real problem… you?”  which seems directed at people who have legitimate gripes with it. 

I’d much rather they use something like, “I don’t know whether to be insulted you think I haven’t thought of that already or be annoyed that you’re still two steps behind.  Branding is all about attention.  This is a name people are going to be talking about all the time.  Sure, she’s a superwoman, but… Supergirl fits betters on a headline, and she’s going to be on a lot of headlines.  It’s one letter shorter, that means space for one more exclamation point on Twitter, and there’s going to be a lot of people needing it.  And for those blowhards on the news channels, it’s easier to say.  People get bored after the third syllable.  Sometimes they get bored after two.  You think I started out as Cat?  If I called her Superwoman, someone else would make it snappier, and they’d be the ones who set the narrative.  We might as well make it a statement.  Use it to say there’s nothing wrong with being a girl.  I’m a girl, and I’m rich, successful, yadda yadda yadda.”

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@17/ghostly1: The writer of the pilot, showrunner Ali Adler, is female. Her full name is Allison Beth Adler. (By the way, she’s also a lesbian, which eases my concerns about the “I’m not gay” bit.)

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9 years ago

Yeah, in some ways I agreed with Kara in that ‘Supergirl’ is certainly a bit consdescending/diminutive (and I like that it got lampshaded) – like, I personally don’t have too much of an issue if somebody calls me ‘girl’ but I can see how in certain contexts it can be very patronizing.  Although I get the impression Kara is in her early/mid twenties so ‘girl’ may still seem an age appropriate term.  Although nobody would call a male of equivalent age ‘Superboy’ either.  I don’t know – there’s probably a lot to unpack regarding the terms we use to describe women and men and the word ‘girl’. But at any rate, that’s the name of the character so they are more or less stuck with it.

And I actually wouldn’t mind Cat’s argument if it wasn’t coming from a source that was itself such a stereotypical/toxic portrayal of a powerful woman in charge; this is not the type of ‘girl power’ I would want my children to aspire to.  But maybe this is one of those cases of the way female characters often get over-analyzed. I don’t know, now I feel like I’m arguing myself in circles ;)  At any rate, at the time I was watching it, it fell flat and felt more like a lazy stereotype than creating a powerful but flawed/realistic female character.  Perhaps Kara as a powerful woman will be a foil for Cat’s type of ‘powerful woman’.

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9 years ago

I would like to think that Henshaw’s “you’re only a girl, go make some coffee” speech was a test, rather than a dismissal that reflected his actual feelings on super-powered alien women.  And I don’t think his comment “She’s why you got in. You are why you get to stay” was in any way backhanded.  He was honest about her recruitment (because, the idea that it was pure coincidence was clearly BS) and also confirmed that she is important for her own abilities, but at the same time (I think) giving a less-than-subtle hint that if she sides with Kara too often she will be out of the DEO.

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9 years ago

Oh, my bad.  I was stupid, I looked up the Wikipedia entry and got mixed up between the “Directed by” (Glen Winter) and “Written by column.  (Or rather I didn’t even look at the other one, thinking I was looking at the right one and actually reading the director). Still, aside from the male writer bit. 

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9 years ago

While Winn assuming that Kara was gay is a bit of a cliche, I don’t think it’s offensive because Occam’s razor.  Kara was clearly struggling with a secret, and if Winn believes her to be a decent person then it’s probably not that she has another partner (because she wouldn’t be dating if she was a decent person and already attached) and “gay” is way more likely than “alien.”  And really, it was a coming out of the closet scene, just the wrong closet.

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9 years ago

@14 – regarding the teen boy demographic doing better; well, my 4 year old son loved it, at any rate ;)  He was VERY upset when he thought Supergirl might lose/get hurt and was very excited about her flying.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@19/Lisamarie: The ’88 syndicated Superboy series continued to refer to the character as Superboy rather than Superman even after he graduated college and entered the workforce. But that was because the producers didn’t have the license to use the Superman name, due to a weird legal quirk that treats Superboy and Superman as separate characters.

 

@22/StrongDreams: Come to think of it, as someone who has a lot of experience with being stuck in the friend zone, I’ve just realized that Winn’s “You’re a lesbian, that’s why you’re not into me” wasn’t meant as “I’m so irresistible that any heterosexual woman would have to be into me,” but more like “Whew, now I don’t need to feel rejected and undesirable, because you wouldn’t have been into me anyway.” It can be hurtful to be found unattractive by the person you have a crush on, so if she had been lesbian, it would’ve come as a relief from a self-esteem standpoint, even if it would’ve also meant that a romance was out of the question.

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9 years ago

@19, We don’t know enough about Cat to go with stereotypical or archetypal.  Pilots always paint with broad strokes.  I surely don’t find her toxic.  She acts in a way than men are allowed to act, and are not judged for.  Isn’t that what we’re fighting for?

What we know(so far) about Cat Grant:

She appears to be a self made success.  

She cares for her mother, enough to invest in therapy to maintain a relationship that is obviously problematic.

She likes Wicked.

She has exacting tastes. 

She is demanding.

She is a smart and shrewd businesswoman.

Is she dismissive to people who haven’t demonstrated their value to her?  Sure.  But I don’t consider that “toxic”.  A toxic woman would be Cersei or Lucretia from Spartacus.  Cat Grant is Anna Wintour-lite.  I mean, Kara hasn’t yet been able to deliver her a warm latte, she gets easily distracted when sent on an assignment, and spends her work hours socializing from what we can see.  How exactly has Kara demonstrated she’s entitled to that job? 

ChocolateRob
9 years ago

OK so I watched the first episode when it was leaked months ago but the most lasting impression I got from it was that Alex is probably the worst sister in the world (though Kara’s mother’s sister is clearly no great shakes either). Her way of settling an argument with her sister is to have her shot from the sky in the night and have her wake up chained to a table in an unfamiliar place with deadly radiation keeping her weak and immobile, watched over by a big scary dude. Personally I’d have tried explaining my job first in a more friendly environment.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@26/ChocolateRob: I’m sure that the kryptonite-dart attack on Kara was at Henshaw’s orders, not Alex’s. She works for him, not the other way around. Alex was the one who released Kara from the shackles that Henshaw put her in.

I like the complexity of Alex and Kara’s relationship. In the scene where they were talking through the doorway, Alex could have chosen to defend her actions by saying that she encouraged Kara to stay hidden in order to protect her from the Fort Rozz inmates who wanted to kill her. That was a legitimate part of the reason for her actions, and she could’ve focused on that. Instead, she admitted that part of her motivation was jealousy and ego, and she set that aside and chose to support and encourage Kara at last. That was a brave thing to do.

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9 years ago

@25 – that is not at all how I read that character, and at any rate, there is nothing professional at all about making snide and smug comments to your underlings, anyway. Personally, I’m fighting for a woman to be able to get to the top WITHOUT stomping all over everybody and making Mean Girls style comments to get there.  Frankly, I wish there WAS more judgment for men that act like psychopathic assholes on the job (a friend of mine is working in a toxic male-boss environment and was passing around an article about bad bosses).  At any rate, many of the qualities you mentioned are value neutral in that they don’t make her a good person…nor are they the things I find objectionable.

I find the line quoted above (at the beginning of the article) actually not so bad in writing – and to be clear, that is not the objectionable part.  After all, Tony Stark gets to proclaim himself a billionaire playboy genius whatever and nobody bats an eye.  It’s rare to see a girl be allowed to actually articulate her own positive qualities (which is actually why the scene where Kara is geeking out over seeing herself on TV was refreshing and cute).  But that doesn’t make up for meanness and an ‘everybody is beneath me’ attitude.  Like you said, it’s a pilot, so perhaps she’ll bet a more even handed portrayal as the show goes on.

Also, not gonna lie, I recognize way too much of myself on my worst days in that portrayal ;)

Re: Kara’s job performance – haha!

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9 years ago

Interestingly, I went through the list of attributes, and while I don’t know her thoughts on Wicked or anything about her mother, they could all apply to the CEO whose company I work for (also a self-made success)…I’ve only had a handful of encounters with her (although I know a few people who do work in roles with more interaction with her and she absolutely does have very exacting/demanding standards) and…I just can’t see her insulting somebody’s pants, etc.  Actually, the fact that I’ve had encounters with her at all is probably a different, as I am in no way a high ranking person at my company, haha.

So..yeah…lots of ways to be a strong, capable woman, and I personally don’t care for this type.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@28/Lisamarie: Maybe Supergirl will inspire Cat to be a better person.

Anyway, Cat strikes me as sort of a modern riff on the original characterization of Perry White, who was perpetually angry and mean and insulting to his employees, constantly threatening to fire them (or actually firing them and rehiring them moments later), but with an underlying heart of gold. Basically what J. Jonah Jameson would be like if he actually liked Spider-Man. (Jameson was probably created as a pastiche of White, I imagine. Or maybe it was just a stock character type back then. There are plenty of mean bosses in fiction, after all.)

ChocolateRob
9 years ago

@27 She may not have ordered it but she was hardly “over my dead body”ing it, there are a dozen ways she could have countered it into something less disturbing. That she appears to release her gives me Mother Gothel vibes ‘here I am to save you from your mess because I love you. It was for your own good, I’m not the bad guy’

So I’m reading too much into it, it just gave me creepy vibes

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@31/ChocolateRob: I think maybe you’re overestimating how much power Alex has within the DEO. We don’t even know if she was aware of what Henshaw was doing until after it was already done. He may well have kept her out of the loop because he knew she would object.

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9 years ago

and…I just can’t see her insulting somebody’s pants, etc.

Oh I can.  My boss is a similar type, and I since I sit right next to her 8 hours a day I could tell you all about her mom and her preferences on Wicked(she’s a more Lion King kind a gal).  She won’t insult your pants for superficial reasons, but if you wear yoga pants to the office, she’s got an opinion on that!

And in that instance, those were some bad pants.  They were…ill fitting.  *ahem*

And too, it’s the atmosphere, I don’t know what your field is, but this particular show is mimicking the high echelons of media empires, where trends are established for the nation to follow, the people who create our discourse.  While I do think every voice has value, are you telling me you aren’t more likely to listen to someone who presents themselves stylishly than someone who looks slovenly?  Cat Grant understands appearance matters, and in her own way is trying to convey this to the people she works for.  Now, of course she’s not perfect, but every character has to have room to grow.

To be honest, she reminds me a great deal of Adele DeWitt from Dollhouse, who was a queen of the scathing remark(and how much more palatable would such a remark be if they got a British woman to do it?  We tend to be more accepting of insults if they sound like they come from Europe, lol.)  And because Flockhart* earned the love with me in Ally McBeal, I’m willing to buy into the character and see where she’s going to go with it.  Especially because this show is FULL of female characters.  I LIKE diversity.  Need more Women of Color though.  And I do like Mechad Brooks(he WAS on Dollhouse!) as James.

There is also this to consider going forward, which is that future events are surely going to effect Kara’s attendance and punctuality over the course of the show.  From Cat’s perspective, this is surely going to be infuriating. 

*You know she’s married to Harrison Ford right?  Like, she scored HAN SOLO that’s awesome. 

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9 years ago

I really enjoyed the show.  It was positive and upbeat and fun.  I liked the sibling rivalry between Kara and her adopted sister, which ended up foreshadowing the sibling rivalry that must have existed between Kara’s mother and her evil twin.  Lots of good performances from pretty much all the actors involved with the show.  Looking forward to next week, and recommending it to my granddaughter!

_FDS
9 years ago

The name is entrenched and it is a relic of a past where Lois Lane had her own comic book, but it was filled with stories about her needy desire to become Mrs. Superman (although to be fair, it certainly did have enough stories showing her as a capable professional). I’m glad several other people have argued against the ‘I’m a girl’ as being anything legitimately to be taken as an intelligent discussion on feminism. As a gay guy who was a member of Queer Nation, I’ve been involved in more than a fair share of discussions about language and this is a fair consideration – but I’m not sure we can do that in the context of what we saw so far.

Personally, I do not like the Cat character so far. I’ve worked for powerful female attorneys and interacted with men who were heads of large companies. None of them ever commented on my shoes, haircut, glasses, pants, etc. Yes, people in powerful positions can be demanding and exacting and, often, do act in a less than humane way to those who work for them, and for whom they can exercise authority and power. But the point of sexual harassment training is that it’s abusive to use your power position over your co-workers simply because you are higher up in the work place structure to have your way with them. Why is it them appropriate to encourage this behavior in our media? I think they could have written the role a little better in that regard. Although to be fair, I’ve just never been a fan of Flockhart as a performer.

The biggest problem I had with the show were two: Kara should have felt pain before. While this is a lesser point and can be glossed over, it just shows that for a pilot, where the time to second guess themselves, and to prepare as much as possible (versus a week to week grind) and they are flubbing major plot points.

However, my main problem is how they can have Superman be there when the ships lands and not take several steps (e.g. why not secure the ship/pod? Even if he felt this was a trust issue with the government, he should feel (as has been shown in the books by numerous writers and in other media) that Kryptonian technology should not be in the hands of some covert agency that also finds it necessary to create Kryptonite bullets. [Also, as an aside, this is going to be another situation where everyone and there aunt has access to Kryptonite? The government has it refined as a liquid and in various forms of restraints and weapons, and of course, future super-villains will as well, and even the kid down the block, biking home from school, will stumble on it all over the place, right?]

If he rescued Kara, he just didn’t notice the big Kryptonian prison right in the general area? He doesn’t any any special abilities to see long distances or anything like that so he just missed it, right?

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9 years ago

@35 None of them ever commented on my shoes, haircut, glasses, pants, etc.

Then there was apparently no problem with your dress and grooming.

OTOH, Kara dresses like a college student, not the administrative assistant to Anna Wintour-lite. In this particular case, Kara was wearing a pair of pants that didn’t fit her, they were two inches too short.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@35/_FDS: But “queer” itself started out as an insult against gay people (it means strange or unnatural) but was then co-opted by the LGBT community and turned into a positive. So was “gay,” for that matter. It originally meant carefree and uninhibited, and was formerly used to refer to people who were heterosexually promiscuous, libertine, and unconcerned with sexual morality, later coming to be used as a code word for people who were transgressive of sexual norms in another way (i.e. same-sex). So as a self-described “gay guy who was a member of Queer Nation,” you’re already taking two terms that were originally used to demean and judge people like yourself and co-opting them into terms of pride and positivity. How is it any different for Cat to take “girl” and co-opt it into a term of pride?

As for Cat’s fashion commentary, she is the head of a media company rather than an attorney, so I can understand her being more concerned with appearance and presentation. Still, who says that her behavior is “encouraging” anything? She’s clearly being set up as a workplace antagonist for Kara, like countless other mean bosses in TV history.

On Kara’s comment about pain, she wouldn’t have felt pain since she left Krypton a dozen years earlier. That’s long enough that it could feel like a different lifetime, that she could’ve forgotten what it felt like. Her statement was clearly an exaggeration, but it’s the kind of exaggeration I can believe she would actually use. It’s actually quite common for people to use “never” and “always” in exaggerated ways — e.g. saying “We’ve always been friends” about someone you met in the 8th grade.

And we have no reason to assume that Fort Rozz was in “the same general area” as Kara’s pod. On interstellar scales, Earth would qualify as “the same general area.” They could’ve easily come down thousands of kilometers apart.

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9 years ago

@35, yeah, you should probably expect to see a lot of Kryptonite.  Unfortunately, Superman/Supergirl is overpowered, and invulnerable characters who win every battle easily are boring.  The only villains who can hold their own against Supergirl physically will be other Kryptonians (who will be withheld for most of the season), or other aliens who are almost as powerful on Earth as a Kryptonian (for…reason?), or enemies with access to either Kryptonite or advanced alien technology.  The villains might occasionally try to outwit/outthink Supergirl, but if that works too often, who wants to watch a stupid hero?

Put another way, it will be very difficult to consistently write good, engaging stories that give Kara credible threats to deal with without using Kryptonite.  And since this is American TV, expect a lot of Kryptonite.

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9 years ago

I enjoyed it overall.  I found it as interesting as Agents of Shield, more interesting than Gotham, and a bit behind Arrow and Flash.  Far below Agent Carter. I got exactly what I expected, a fun genre show targeting the Tween and YA crowd with tons of nods to the mythos and previous series.  Adding a previous Superman and Supergirl as Kara’s foster parents was a nice touch.   Plus she has to be Supergirl, Everyone knows Superwoman is Felicity Smoak.

The show shouldn’t be related to Man of Steel at all as it’s hinted in that film that Kara preceded Kal-El to Earth.  This show is on Earth-YA.  The film is on Earth DCU.

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9 years ago

@30 – Chris: But Perry was always shown to have that underlying heart of gold. This was just the pilot, but I’m not convinced this Cat Grant is like that. She’s more JJJ than Perry.

@33 – Aeryl: Oh, Brooks was on Dollhouse? Yeah, I kinda remember now… Oh, and I really liked Adelle on that show.

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Dr. Thanatos
9 years ago

It was a cute show, and did what it set out to do, namely entertain (I am not requiring all my shows to Make Major Cultural Statements). My wife and I (not tweens) found it pleasant and will probably continue to watch it. Seeing Ally McBeal again in all her neurotic glory was a great pleasure (and yes, we must remember that she is Mrs. Dr. Jones).

I was most amused by what is probably a trademark issue i.e., we heard references to “him,” “Man of Steel,” “my cousin” but no one said the S-word. I entertain the notion that her cousin is He Who Must Not Be Named. And have you ever seen Superman and Voldemort together? Have you?

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9 years ago

@38 – The other thing they could do is give her problems which her superpowers can’t solve directly.  They can help her get into place, or capture or subdue someone, but they can’t change someone’s mind, or make someone do something they don’t want to.  Superpowers are a bit like the sonic in Doctor Who – tools to be used to help solve the problem, but not a cure-all for the problems of the world.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@38/StrongDreams: Actually producer Andrew Kreisberg has made a point in interviews of saying that they aren’t going to ride too heavily on kryptonite as a threat. For instance:

“There’s a collective mistake that Kryptonite is the only thing that can hurt a Kryptonian. In the comic books and in other adaptations, specifically the Superman animated series, Superman can be hurt by a lot more than Kryptonite. On the show, we’ve shown that fighting certain aliens [can hurt her]. She fights Livewire, who has electrical powers and enough electricity to stop Supergirl’s heart. There are other things on this show that are beyond Kryptonite. We always want to feel like our hero is in jeopardy.”

A lot of versions of Superman have made the character more vulnerable. In the Fleischer cartoons, it often seemed plausible that he might, if not be killed, at least fail to save the day because he was overpowered by an attack or an obstacle like a volcanic eruption or electrocution. One clever thing the ’40s radio series did was to have Superman’s super-hearing leave him extra-vulnerable to a villain with a destructively loud voice. A Lois and Clark episode had him be susceptible to ordinary hypnosis. And of course Superman has always been vulnerable to magic. Then there’s the classic ’50s episode “Panic in the Sky” — remade for both the ’88 Superboy and Lois and Clark — where he tried to deflect an asteroid and the force of the impact gave him amnesia. There was another ’50s episode where he was radioactively contaminated and had to stay far away from people, rendering him useless to fight crime.

And of course there’s always the dodge that aliens can be assumed to have superpowers of their own and thus be able to pose a threat to a Kryptonian. Kreisberg cited S:TAS, which used that trope a lot (Lobo, Kalibak, Darkseid, Maxima, etc.), and we’ve already seen it here with Vartox and his axe. Then there are villains like the Parasite, who can drain Superman’s powers and pose an extra threat by draining his memories and learning his secret identity. There are plenty of possibilities other than kryptonite. Past TV adaptations like L&C have tended to ride too heavily on kryptonite because they relied mainly on Earthbound threats, but this show is going all-out with alien bad guys from the word go.

I think Kreisberg has also said that Kara’s inexperience at using her powers and fighting bad guys will also be a source of vulnerability for her.

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9 years ago

@41, It actually was said, I think twice.  But they are trying to not overshadow Kara with him.  But right now that obvious attempts at not saying Superman are making it worse.  Will definitely have to wait and see if it gets better now that there isn’t as much set up involved.

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9 years ago

Her inexperience only serves to underscore Superman’s irresponsibility. He never trained her?

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9 years ago

, in the comics isn’t Supes the one who goes along with government more readily while Bats is the suspicious one?  It ties into the overall universe we’ve gotten so far: that is, by the time that Kara lands, Superman is enough of a part of the government machine that he would allow the government to keep alien tech like Fort Rozz and Kara’s ship, rather than moving them to the FoS or the moon for safekeeping. While he does not object to her becoming a hero if that is her destiny, he doesn’t help, train or encourage her, and he allows (or is helpless to prevent) the DEO to create kryptonite weapons and a safe room whose only purpose is to de-power Kryptonians. This could have important implications beyond the rather trite “he’s letting you find your own way.” if the show runners choose to explore them.  You’d think she would at least text her cousin to say, “I don’t mind you being subtle and staying out of my way and letting me make my own destiny, but did you know your pals at the DEO have kryptonite bullets and a kryptonite safe room?”

…and if the answer eventually is “the room is for Astra, we knew she was the big bad all along but we weren’t sure if we could trust you” then that deserves a big F-U from Kara and the audience.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@45/lordmagnusen & 46/StrongDreams: Alex wanted Kara to keep a low profile so as not to attract the attention of the Fort Rozz escapees. Perhaps Superman wanted the same thing, for her to keep herself hidden until she was ready to take care of herself. So he may have avoided her as a way to keep attention from being drawn to her. He didn’t want to force the escapees’ attentions onto her before she was ready.

As for the DEO’s kryptonite paraphernalia, Henshaw made it pretty clear that he doesn’t trust Superman or any alien. We’ve seen a number of government or military characters who saw Superman as a threat, such as Trask in Lois and Clark and General Hardcastle and Amanda Waller in Superman: TAS and Justice League Unlimited. There’s certainly precedent for the idea of the government readying kryptonite weapons just in case Superman should ever go rogue. And Superman would probably approve of such precautions, since he wouldn’t want to hurt anyone if he ever fell prey to mind control or something.

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9 years ago

He’s Superman, if he can keep a secret identity, he can train Kara in secret. And as for the precedent in comics and TV of anti-Kryptonian measures taken by the government, it’s certainly there, but there’s also precedent of Superman objecting strongly to the government being in charge of said measures, preferring them to be in the hands of other superheroes (like when he gives Batman the Kryptonite ring).

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9 years ago

@41:  That’s ridicuous.  Voldemort wears glasses, how would he see?

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PowerfistJenny
9 years ago

Oh god, this show made me puke a little in my mouth. Age-old sexist tropes and quips that were common like 20+yrs ago thrust into it as a cheap shortcut to character establishment and story engagement being hailed as “empowering”. God I am so over that. I don’t care about her “interpersonal” female relationships and office drama. I came for superhero entertainment and instead got Kara struggling with her personal problems while sometimes being Supergirl. This reeks of the same route that old series “Farmville” took.

I am so done with this genderbending fad of having to have a female version of every male superhero as it is, but then mixing pop-culture feminism into the show just makes it an immediate turn-off. Thanks but no thanks, I didn’t come for a soap opera.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@50/PowerfistJenny: Kind of strange to call it a “fad” when the character of Supergirl was created in 1959.

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9 years ago

Powerfistjenny, I think you have missed the fact that if you’re looking only for superhero action, then you’re not the intended target audience for this show.

 

And having female versions of heroes is a “fad”? It’s been going on since the early 1960s…

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9 years ago

It felt to me like this show was aping Buffy really hard.

Winn-> Xander 
Alex -> Willow
Cat -> Cordelia
James -> Angel
Giles -> Hank

I didn’t hate it, but I hope it gets much better very quickly.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@53/wlangendorf: Some of those are really, really enormous stretches. The only thing Alex has in common with Willow is being a Caucasian brunette female who speaks English. James is nothing like Angel, since he’s neither an aloof and mysterious figure nor a reformed vampire. And Hank is much more hostile than Giles ever was.

Really, you can create a convincing-sounding argument that a show’s cast is similar to practically any other show’s cast (of the same size) by cherrypicking the character traits. After all, there are only so many basic character types and roles.

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9 years ago

Wow, this show is NOTHING like Buffy…

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9 years ago

And if it was like Buffy, why is that a BAD thing?  Wasn’t Buffy great?  Or do we have to hate it now since Joss “let us down” with AoU?

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9 years ago

@53

I was stretching by the end, I guess.  Willow -> Alex I was  going for “female friend who knows the protag’s secret and is able to help in battles in a way that is not fighting”.  Obviously hacking/magic is different from spy powers, but it felt close enough.  Angel -> James I feel better about.  James is in the advantage position in every interaction with Kara, at first by how flustered she is, then by saving her from Cat firing her, last with his secret knowledge from Clark.  Really its less that he’s like Angel and more like they are both members of the Tuxedo Mask club.

@56:

I didn’t necessarily mean that the resemblance was a bad thing.  As you say, I  liked Buffy.  I was noting its similarity to the older show and then, separately, hoping it got better.  There is a lot of room for this show to improve, and no reason it shouldn’t do so.

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9 years ago

Buffy rocks.

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9 years ago

Having just rewatched it, there is an editing gap in the opening scene where Alura gives Kara her necklace, which is weird because they call attention to it, she’s holding it right before Alex shows up with the projection(who is also wearing in the recording).

Looking at those pants again, yeah those were bad, although calling them cheap was pretty bad too.  And at that moment, Kara had just walked in and talked to her boss in a manner that’s plausible for being fired, so I’m calling that one a draw

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9 years ago

Okay, not trying to beat a dead horses, but a few of your comments at 33 made me laugh (in a good way) so I wanted to more or less give my last two cents.

Your yoga pants thing actually cracked me up a bit because our dress code is literally “you must wear clothes”.  That’s it.  So, yeah, we have people wearing yoga pants, I’m guessing.  I tend to be more of a jeans/t-shirt person. 

Without going into tons of public details (I can think of a few of her interests) there are definitely things she would be demanding about, but dress is not one of them (unless we’re meeting with clients – but it still wouldn’t be a snarky thing. I have been repremanded before for that when I was a newbie (not by the CEO personally, but by my own boss) but it was just, ‘hey, this is what you need to wear’).

Anyway, I suppose I shouldn’t be picking on fashion because while I didn’t care for Kara’s pants myself, I honestly couldn’t tell you if they were cheap, fashionable, etc. I mean, she certainly looked cuter in them than I would and I had no real objections to how she looked, but what do I know :) Fashion is not my forte.  And yeah, I’m not working at a media company in Big City, I’m working at a software company in the Midwest where we’re all Midwest!Nice (we ARE a leading company in our field worldwide though). So this may also be part of the clash because I just can’t picture anybody talking to anybody that way here.  To me it’s just needlessly rude, petty, cruel, etc. and at least for me, not empowering.  And without going into stuff best left for the psychoanalyst couch, one of the personality traits I tolerate the least is that kind of casual, cutting dismissiveness.  It just totally gets under my skin.

I actually love snark – I love it too much, sometimes, but I have been noticing that movies seem to be a lot ‘snarkier’ (both male and female heroes) and while I laugh at it, I do sometimes wonder if as a society we’re starting to maybe go a little too far with it.  Sometimes it just seems like everybody is very quick to be quippy or dismissive towards people, or to be a asshole, but if you’re a funny asshole it’s okay.  Digression, sorry.  Maybe this isn’t even a new trend, being ‘cool’ has always had that ‘don’t care’ element.

I’m not actually familiar with Dollhouse! But I definitely laughed at the European insults because that is totally right.  “Especially because this show is FULL of female characters.  I LIKE diversity.  Need more Women of Color though.” – yes this.  I am figuring, well, at least we can have this conversation because there are women characters to talk about, even if this particular one is not one I’d say, ‘this is a character I want to be like’.  I mean, I still think she is coming out a little cardboard, but maybe she will get more depth as the show goes on (or maybe I need to accept this is a superhero show and this maybe a bit exaggerated/cartoonish in its portrayals). I think my favorite example, perhaps, of a snarky female character is Veronica Mars – she doesn’t take any shit, she always has a snappy retort but she’s rarely actually mean or viewing people as ‘beneath her’ (there are probably some episodes in which this is debateable, or if she goes too far at times) which is the impression I get from this character (and yes, I understand that as a boss, people are literally beneath her professionally but that’s not what I mean here).

I can appreciate that she is a powerful, successful woman – but it just (to me) seems to play into that catty Mean Girls type of character and that for a woman to be successful in the professional world you have to adopt that kind of persona, or that ‘this is how professional women are’.  It just seems so far, we get two examples of women in the professional sphere, the sweet, but ditzy/ineffectual one, or the competent-but-mean one.  (Although actually, I think Alex counts as a professional and she actually rings the truest to me – competent, is able to speak her mind while doing her job, but still has her moments of doubts or flaws, etc).

And btw, I am certainly not dissing Flockhart or the idea that, as a ‘villainous’ character she’s a fun character.  Or even that her lines aren’t funny. Or even that the line about being a girl ISN’T a great way to co-opt the stigma with that term if you want to identify as a ‘girl’.  I do sometimes identify as a girl, but then I feel kind of silly doing it and wonder if I’m too old to do that…but then I think, eh, why not? :)

Maybe she’ll kind of end up like Nyneave in Wheel of Time – she starts off as a very abrasive, overbearing and feared character but it’s basically becuase she knows she’s the youngest Wisdom her town has seen and so comes off extra strong. She’s sometimes a divisive character but she’s actually my very favorite of the main characters and is pretty much the most awesome character (except for Verin) in the series in my opinion :)  But I also worry they’ll take it too far in the other direction and just keep making her extra mean, etc – which in some ways might also be undermining, since if the only example of a character we get that explicitly is saying feminist type things, is also the one that is treated as more or less villainous (aside from the actual villains)…that’s also kind of a backwards message.

Anyway, tl;dr version is that I can appreciate that a feminist character isn’t necessarily a likeable character, or even a character that we are supposed to want to be like…but I’m still not sure yet if she actually is that, or just a stereotype, or maybe something clever that will end up being commentary on that stereotype.

I think we might give a few more episodes a try…if for no other reason that I enjoy the commentary threads :)  My son at least wants to watch it again :)

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9 years ago

The thing for me about this is it just really seemed “by the book” to me, or maybe some would say “paint by numbers.” Just kind of that it hit all the tropes and there didn’t seem to be a whole lot that was unique to it. That said, I was happy with the effects and that they actually showed off Supergirl using her powers. I also really liked the interactions with her sister. Although I found the feminist message oddly juxtaposed with the obligatory shot of her in the skimpy first trial outfit.

I gotta say I didn’t like how easily she was taken out by the Kryptonite darts…makes me wonder if it’s possible that Superman could be taken out the same way. Speaking of “him”, I noticed they only used the name once, and after that avoided saying it. It made me wonder if they owed a royalty or something every time they mentioned the name.

 

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9 years ago

@61, I agree it hit all those buttons in a rote and predictable manner.  But it did it WELL.  Benoist’s enthusiasm* and the character dynamics(and the blatant politics) all excite me. 

Somebody linked to an interview with the writer and pretty much, they were trying to avoid saying “Superman” so he wouldn’t overshadow her, and to an extent I can understand.  What I don’t think they counted on, was how much avoiding saying it was going to create a shadow of its own. 

I have hopes the predictability and the Superlative Shadow will improve as we go along.

There is also something about it that reminds me of Agent Carter.  If these showrunners know where they are going with as well as AC’s people did, this could get REALLY good.  

 

*Benoist is KILLING me.  Seriously, the only reason I decided to watch it, was an article that talked about the show the day it premiered, and they posted the gif of Kara dancing next to the TV in her pjs and wet hair, right before Alex shows up.  Just the absolute SQUEEness of it was what made me watch. Also Stephen Colbert asked her if Supergirl was a feminist, and she went “Yes, and she’s for EVERYBODY!” 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

Hold on… look at the fifth picture in the column. Supergirl has earrings. How the heck did Kara pierce her ears? Heat vision? A kryptonite needle? For that matter, why don’t the piercings instantly heal up after being made?

Come to think of it, there was a Superman radio episode in the ’40s where Superman had to give Jimmy a blood transfusion to heal him from a fatal injury or something, and when the doctor couldn’t get a needle through Superman’s skin, Superman took the needle and forced it in himself. I always found that a bit sketchy, though, since the needle should’ve broken either way.

 

@61/crzydroid: The shot of her in the skimpy outfit wasn’t meant to titillate, but to mock the very idea of her fighting crime in something so male gaze-oriented (and note that it was similar to what the comics’ Supergirl actually did wear in the ’90s and ’00s). So there’s no conflict with the feminist bent.

As for the darts, Kara’s just starting out. Superman is probably seasoned enough to avoid them.

And as for the name, reportedly we will be hearing “Superman” said aloud more often in the future.

 

@62/Aeryl: Yes, Benoist’s enthusiasm and charm are great. I’m also really impressed with the costume. People like to make fun of superhero capes and tights, but I think she looks really classy in her costume. The cape has a rather elegant cut to it.

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9 years ago

Yeah her OBVIOUS discomfort with the outfit is why that scene works.  I actually missed that scene on my first watch, I was skipping ahead with my DVR and went too far.  So when I went back I did it to the part where she came out in the skirt.

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9 years ago

I loved it.  My wife loved it. 

Most importantly, my eight-year-old daughter loved it.  And we’ll be watching together. 

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ddaniel
9 years ago

I liked Melissa Benoist, though she really just seems to be playing her character from Glee but without the singing. The show had a lousy script. Nothing promising about it in the least. Little of it made any sense. Some examples:

Her tiny escape-pod of a ship falls into some magic zone of space where everything is frozen in time, then falls out again for no reason, dragging a giant prison ship with it like some intergalactic tugboat. Was it able to generate some massive tractor beam?

She comes to Earth as a teen to find Superman has already paved the way for a superhero from Krypton. She should be welcomed, just as he was. He’s even there to greet her. So what does she do? Says to herself, “I have little choice. I must hide my powers, never use them, just be ordinary–maybe even bumbling and awkward, like Clark Kent was growing up.” Why? Well . . . because the writers liked it that way.

Oh gosh! Her sister is a super spy and she has no idea! But they love each other and are very close.

As hinted in other comments, this lame script couldn’t decide if its inspiration should be “Devil Wears Prada”, “Chuck” or “Superman”, so it just borrowed from all three. Nice special effects, though.

 

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9 years ago

@66, I’m certain whatever caused her ship and the Kryptonian prison to fall out of the Phantom Zone will be explored in a later episode.  It’s called a mystery. 

“I have little choice. I must hide my powers, never use them, just be ordinary–maybe even bumbling and awkward, like Clark Kent was growing up.” 

Except she didn’t.  Kal-El and the Danvers knew about the prisoners that escaped, so they subtly encouraged her to hide her powers as a youth, when she was less likely to be able to protect herself.

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I liked it.  It was fun & Benoist is an enjoyable Kara Danvers/Supergirl.

My wife liked it as well and does have a boss like Flockhart’s Cat, so she thought she was believable.

I do think that they could have used Superman’s name more as that dialogue sounded foolish.

That said, however, I don’t think you can blame Superman for Kara’s inexperience.  As has been mentioned, nearly invulnerable characters are hard to challenge.  And I think how boring it would be if Kara’s inner thought are “Well, this is how I should respond here ’cause that was how Kal trained me,” etc…  Everything would on focus on her training and not on what she learns in doing things that she’s been trained to do.

Also, I liked the James Olsen character, honestly.  It makes sense that he’s grown up as he’s been Superman’s pal for quite some time.  

Finally, I don’t have much to say on the feminist angle other than if having a female superhero lead a hourly tv show is that upsetting to some people then we really haven’t made much progress as a society.

In the end, however, all the noise and chatter doesn’t matter for me ’cause Benoist does for me what Lynda Carter & Christopher Reeve did for me with their characters, she makes me believe that she can fly, that superheroes are real.  

Kato

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9 years ago

@63 – Chris: There are sticky earrings and magnetic earrings. I’ve used both; these seem to be the kind that could be either of those.

@66 – ddaniel:

“Her tiny escape-pod of a ship falls into some magic zone of space where everything is frozen in time, then falls out again for no reason, dragging a giant prison ship with it like some intergalactic tugboat. Was it able to generate some massive tractor beam?

You have an issue with that? Superheroes might be the wrong genere for you.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@66/ddaniel: The Phantom Zone has been part of Superman lore since 1961. The backstory in which Kara is older than Kal-El, is sent as his protector, but gets trapped in suspended animation for a couple of decades has been around since 2004 and has previously been adapted in Smallville and the animated movie Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, although in that version it was a kryptonite asteroid that trapped her in suspended animation. (Superman: The Animated Series also used the idea of an older Kara having been trapped in suspended animation since Krypton’s destruction in 1998, but in that version, she was never intended to be Kal-El’s guardian.)

And I agree with Aeryl — there’s no doubt an explanation that will be revealed as the series progresses. I suspect Evil Aunt Astra engineered the whole thing.

 

@69/lordmagnusen: Well, I hope they do address the earring issue. It seems like the sort of scene that would fit right into this show.

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9 years ago

I don’t need them to address it, when there’s such a simple explanation. Lots of women don’t have pierced ears yet still wear other kinds of ear-decorations.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@71/lordmagnusen: As I said, it’s not a question of “need,” it just strikes me as the sort of character business/texture that would work in this show. Like maybe a conversation between Winn and Kara about how her earrings work. One of the fun things about Silver Age Superman comics was all the handwaving they did to explain the details of how his powers worked and how he lived his life and such. And not just there. John Byrne’s ’80s reboot included a scene explaining how Clark shaved by reflecting his heat vision off a mirror (a scene that was also replicated in a Lois & Clark episode). The series format gives you the room to include stuff that isn’t about “need” but still adds texture and slakes curiosity.

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9 years ago

Ah, I get your point. I love that shaving scene, I’m a big fan of Byrne’s Superman (and Superman in general). Maybe the Danvers had a Kryptonite needle?

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9 years ago

Hahaha, I hadn’t even noticed the earrings at all, but that is definitely the kind of thing I would expect CLB to notice :)

The skimpy outfit scene didn’t bother me a whole lot (aside from making me roll my eyes at the Winn character – which I think was probably the intended reaction) because I can appreciate the irony of the scene, but in another director I can see how it would kind of be a ‘let’s give lip service to feminism and criticize silly, objectifying outfits’ while still showing the character in a silly, objectifying outfit for so we can ogle it and have our cake and eat it too.  But I didn’t really see the scene as shot that way (although there ARE other ways you could get that point across, such as having her look at it and refuse to try it on).  It’s clear she’s uncomfortable with it and putting the notion of superheroes in silly, objectifying outfits to rest. I can see where others might get that impression though. 

What I did actually find a little odd was some of the camera angles in the subsequent scenes where she’s talking to Winn and basically all you can see is her legs and butt…I’m not sure if that was intentional or just the way the shot ended up playing out.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@73/lordmagnusen: Indeed. The image and symbolism of Superman is very important to me, I realize, even if I haven’t always been crazy about how he’s been portrayed onscreen. I hear people talking about how silly his costume and red trunks are and all that, and I just can’t see it. To me, it’s not silly-looking at all, because it’s Superman’s costume, and that makes it a symbol of truth, justice, and the neverending battle against corruption and prejudice.

Granted, some attempts to realize it in live action have been better than others. (I’ve just gotten to the second season of Lois & Clark on my rewatch, and not only is Superman’s chest symbol huge there, but they just changed it to some material that looks almost fluorescent on camera. Way too garish.) But when they get it right — as the Reeve movies did and as Supergirl now does — it looks to me like something that should be worn with pride.

Admittedly, I’m not entirely sold on the basketball-skin texture of Supergirl’s costume or the lack of yellow on the chest shield. But on the whole, it looks really good.

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9 years ago

I really liked the show as a whole.  There were clunky elements, but fewer than a typical pilot.  I try to cut new shows a lot of slack as they find their groove.  Conceptually I enjoyed almost everything.  I loved the Helen Slater/Dean Cane cameo and I thought Melissa Benoist was excellent and I enjoyed just about every second of her screen time.  I really liked the fresh take on Jimmy/James Olsen as a seasoned mentor…excellent performance and character concept there. 

I seem to have had more issues with the Alex storyline than others.  I thought it was clumsy and predictable through the middle, but I think that will get better as that show finds its footing.  I cringed at the “I have never felt pain” line since the actress has an unconcealed scar on her forehead. “I had forgotten what pain is like” would have made sense.

Cat did not bother me even though I have never really enjoyed Calista Flockhart’s roles in the past (I actually expected to dislike this character more than I did). My experience is similar Lisamarie in that she is nothing like the successful women that I encounter in my profession.  Cat would probably crash and burn quickly in a tech field, but I have friends in media and this personality seems to have a lot more success there.   

Winn was the only aspect of the show that I actively disliked. I forgot his name until I read this post, I have been calling him John Cryer in my head.  I am hoping he makes an early exit, although morphing into a villain could make him interesting.  

The Fort Rozz stuff seems to be setting up something similar to Smallville’s Meteor Freaks as a well for weekly villains.  I’m not sure how I feel about that.   I hope we see Kara get equal access to the Fortress and other Kryptonian artifacts on Earth besides Kal-El’s blankey.  There is no reason she shouldn’t.  Honestly, she should know more about what is in the ships and what might have been staged on Earth. She was not a baby and at 13 should have had some kind of briefing on what she would have available to help her and Kal-El on a strange planet.

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9 years ago

@75 – Chris: High five, my fellow Superman-bro. :)

And I agree on the basketball texture, and the lack of yellow… but it’s pretty good, all in all, and maybe they’ll modify the emblem in the future (like with Flash). I need to rewatch Lois & Clark, this time with my kid. But I prefer Cain’s giant emblem to Superman Return’s teeny-tiny one.

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9 years ago

@76, That’s a chicken pox scar, so it’s believable it came from a childhood disease she experienced on Krypton. 

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9 years ago

@78 I agree; it is completely believable. That is why I cringed at the pain line.  

Come to think of it, even though she was 13 when she left Krypton it seems like she is written as through she arrived as an infant like Clark.  Her assimilation into Earth/American culture would be fertile ground for future stories as she was not a blank slate when she arrived…she has more of an immigrant/refugee story whereas Superman is searching for his roots. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@79/TribblesandBits: We saw a difference in how Kara responded to the hologram of her mother. This wasn’t some stranger she didn’t remember, it was someone she loved and missed. So the writers are aware of the difference between her story and Clark’s. Hopefully we’ll see more exploration of her Kryptonian side as the series progresses.

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9 years ago

I hope they show us flashbacks of Kara attempting to cook traditional Kryptonian dishes for the Danvers, substituting every single ingredient for a Terran one. Or her celebrating Kryptonian holidays. :)

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9 years ago

@80/CLB: Thanks, I will have to watch that part again.   

@81/Lordmagnusen: Me too…it would be a nice touch.

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TereLiz
9 years ago

While the script might not have been the freshest thing in the world, I thoroughly enjoyed it as a pilot. Loved the way they flipped the role that Jimmy “James” Olsen is playing; he’s a connection to her cousin, and Winn is really her Jimmy, anyway, so why does Olsen need to be the archetypical dork here, too? 

I hope the characterization will even out once people have time to get more fleshed out, like Winn, Hank, and Cat, but in my mind it makes sense to present them as archetypes in the pilot, since we’re just getting Kara’s first impression of them. 

I really appreciated that a lot of the drama came out of Kara’s relationship with her sister, which reminded me of my own relationship with my sister, so plot-wise, it made for a great set-up. 

And, I can’t believe this topic is getting so much attention, lol, but as for the earrings, Kara didn’t have super-strong skin until she landed on Earth, thanks to our sun. Maybe they were already pierced on Krypton?

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@83/TereLiz: But once the yellow-sun-charged superpowers kicked in, I’d think they would’ve healed any old injuries. But then, there is that scar on her forehead, apparently.

I’m not well-versed in how body piercings work, but don’t they eventually heal up if they aren’t regularly used? And we saw here, when the axe fragment was removed from her arm, that Kara’s injuries heal in seconds. So she would’ve had to keep her earrings in permanently to keep the piercings from healing.

_FDS
9 years ago

in the comics isn’t Supes the one who goes along with government more readily while Bats is the suspicious one?

@46, since I’m a comic book ‘nerd,’ let me correct this – Superman believed in justice, meaning that he would never act as a jury or judge. He would turn over the evil doers to the authorities and expect them to get (a) due process and (b) a fair trial. This is part of why some folks call him a big boy scout. Batman is generally suspicious of everyone and everything in the modern (post 1980s) retelling, except for perhaps Alfred and even that’s a perhaps. The recent Lego DC shorts and movies lampshade/lampoon this with their Batman character only joining the Justice League to keep a closer watch on the alien who obviously is only here to conquer or prepare the Earth for an invasion force of aliens, yadda yadda. DCAU also, somewhat keeps to this, in the Timmverse, less so in the other versions. However, other than having Superman work within the government (meaning partner to help prevent property damage, and primarily loss of life), not to enforce policy, or again act as jury or judge.

I agree with a later answer, if there’s going to be a logical answer given is that he was aware of Fort Rozz, and decided Kara was safer until she had some time to (a) get some solar energy into her body, including reserves, and also grow into her powers (in most of the pre-1980s Superman stories that feature Superboy and even many of the ones post Byrne, he did not have all the same powers at a younger age as he did at an older age; this is exactly the same tact that DC has taken in their current, post Flashpoint/Nu52 reboot: he starts off not being to fly, but jumps – as the 1938 comics depicted – and he far less invincible as he is more later shown to be). This is similar to what Smallville did as well. I still think that logic would be that he would see the prison and do something about it, versus expecting the government to do so. He certainly wouldn’t act in concert with the government about it, that contradicts any number of stories, including ones that have featured this Fort, such as the Chris Kent story line a decade ago.

I think they will need to explain why he didn’t feel the need to train her, especially if they are going to be showing training sessions (which they are) in the series. They did some of this in Flash so I expect we’ll get some explanation, satisfactory or otherwise.

_FDS
9 years ago

@37, “@35/_FDS: ‘But “queer” itself … was then co-opted … and turned into a positive.’

I’m well aware of this – my point was that I was in agreement with those who did not find the show’s portrayal of this as a feminist message. And in reference to getting into a conversation about language, its uses, etc. I believe one too long and complicated a discussion to have in terms of a review of the show. Simply put, I disagree with the OP statement, and so did others. With respect to how being in QN in its heyday was “any different for Cat to take “girl” and co-opt it into a term of pride,” I don’t think they are relative. “Girl” is not in the same league as the N-Word and Queer is/was. Additionally, Queer is still viewed by many in the community as inappropriate terminology and this was definitely very much so (and even far more so) the case when I was running around (even in San Francisco as was the case) wearing a QN tee with several hundred other people. In the Castro and in other pockets of the community, we were told that our wearing of the shirt (or a badge, or a sticker) was a sore point, hurtful, etc. Again, I don’t want to get into a long discussion on language or appropriation, I don’t think this particular comment thread is the forum for it, my point was simply that I disagreed with this in the OP, as others have, and they made my point more saliently. I also do not feel, which I may have made not as saliently, that this is an instance, as you’re suggesting, of Cat trying to co-opt a word into a positive. Rather, (as with Ms. Marvel, for example), since they probably could not have renamed the show or renamed the character, this was the show runners and plot scripters way of trying to head off the issue.

And we have no reason to assume that Fort Rozz was in “the same general area” as Kara’s pod. On interstellar scales, Earth would qualify as “the same general area.” They could’ve easily come down thousands of kilometers apart.

Superman could have easily seen where both items crashed, this is both taken from the comics, or the screen portrayals, including the TV ones. He certainly would have easily been aware of both being in the atmosphere ready to crash. It just begs for a answer, other than ‘because plot.’ My big issue with this is that it’s another meteor freak of the week, transporter malfunction type ‘because plot’ and ‘because our writers lack sufficient creativity and imagination’ rationale (as some others point out later on in the comments and have done so elsewhere).

Flash has somewhat gotten beyond it somewhat quickly, due to the Reverse Flash story line, but here, so far, if their RF is the aunt, she’s a Kryptonian who was in the prison so she should be on Earth already or they had space ships in the Fort? My brain is just hurting, which isn’t my idea on how to start enjoying a show.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@85/_FDS: When Superman started out in 1938, he was much more of an anti-establishment figure, a vigilante champion of the common people crusading against corruption among the powerful — with acts ranging from removing warmongering leaders from power to saving a wife from her abusive husband. He became more of an authority figure in the WWII years and after, but so did Batman. (In the ’43 serial, Batman was an agent of the US government, and in the ’66 series, Batman and Robin were “duly deputized officers” of the Gotham City Police.) It’s only in recent decades that they’ve diverged, with Superman remaining more aligned with authority while Batman became more of a rebel. I think it was The Dark Knight Returns that codified that view, taking it to a satirical extreme by portraying Superman as an unquestioning enforcer for a corrupt, warmongering US government. TDKR was meant as a revisionist, grotesque satire, but it’s been disproportionately influential on subsequent portrayals of the DC Universe.

 

@86/_FDS: I don’t think anyone male is qualified to judge the impact of the “girl” label or decide whether women should embrace or reject it. Men, gay or hetero, don’t get to tell women how they should define themselves. If Ali Adler was okay with writing the “girl” speech and Calista Flockhart was okay with delivering it, then neither you nor I has any business mansplaining to them why we know better.

As for Fort Rozz, I’d guess that Superman was aware of the crash, but he would’ve seen to Kara’s safety first, and that would’ve given the inmates time to go to ground before Superman could arrive at the fort.

And I don’t see a problem with the concept. Every superhero show needs villains of the week, and we’ve had too many shows in the past about Superman vs. bank robbers and gangsters. Supergirl needs some source of powerful foes, and a crashed alien prison is a more logical one than “Kryptonite suddenly has the power to create human mutants.” Smallville‘s use of kryptonite was incredibly stupid. The stuff positively littered Smallville; logically it would’ve contaminated the soil and the water, and Clark would be dying of super-leukemia by now. This is a more elegant solution. And the creativity comes from what characters they create as inmates. (Although these days comic-based shows seem reluctant to create characters rather than drawing them from the comics — probably because the comics companies don’t want to pay royalties to the creators of original characters.)

As for General Aunt Astra, nobody said she was in the prison. You’re just jumping to that conclusion. Naturally the writers have a backstory in mind for her that they haven’t revealed yet.

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9 years ago

@84 – Chris: Do you think that a Kryptonian who lost an eye on Krypton would regrows his eye once she got yellow-sunned? I have to differ, previous injuries shouldn’t be healed, but new ones will, like we saw.

@87 I do agree with you that TDKR has overly influenced DC’s stories, and more importantly, a lot of readers, into thinking that Superman is a government lapdog.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@88/lordmagnusen: I suppose there’s the precedent of Jax-Ur in Superman: The Animated Series, who didn’t regrow his eye on Earth. Still, that doesn’t apply to body piercings, because those do heal up like any ordinary skin/tissue injury unless they’re kept open by being regularly used.

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9 years ago

Yeah, there’s that with piercings.

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9 years ago

Well, I certainly got my fix of Kara remembering Krypton in the second episode :).  I’m thrilled that the ‘S’ does not mean hope in this show.  They are doing it right so far.

John C. Bunnell
9 years ago

#87: Actually (having just watched the second episode), we now know that General Aunt Astra was an inmate of Fort Rozz…and boy howdy is sibling rivalry turning out to be a running theme of this show.

Which is probably enough for the moment, as (one hopes) we’ll have a recap/review post for the new episode up here in reasonably short order.

_FDS
9 years ago

87, I do not believe we’re getting a regular recap. Why this website decides to regular review some things, seasonal review other things once, and ignore either (which I’ve always simply assumed had way more to do with the writers of the site’s personal preference than anything else – we get a Dr. Who recap because EAP wants to write it – I’m sure it drive some traffic to the site, but probably not any greater than the site might normally have, no sure, don’t watch/read that particular one). I suspect this will be similar to the Flash. And perhaps we’ll get an end of season or mid-season summary as we did with Agent Carter.

It’s this kind of commentary on sexism that gives you a reason to stick around.

86, Chris – this is the OP lead. It’s also what a number of people, most of whom presumably based on commentary are either female or gender identify as female. My initial comment, to which you replied, and to which I am replying to your reply regarding my QN comment, is what you are now calling a commentary on ‘girl’ which you apparently feel I am not permitted to make. It’s actually a commentary on the above sentiment in the OP and I would kindly invite you to re-read the entire thread in that respect because otherwise your comment is really inappropriately dismissive on no actual, factual basis. I really don’t want to get into a back and forth regard. I’ve re-read my statements and feel my second addendum clarified what was unclear about my QN nations. As I’ve stated, a Supergirl pliot episode review isn’t really the place to get into this discussion, which the OP herself broached, (which isn’t about a particular word, as you yourself clearly indicate your understood in wanting to discuss ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ but about appropriation, metaphor, language as subtext, etc., among any number of other polemical and philosophical musings.

Finally, with respect to 1938 Superman, I’ve read the DC Superman Archive editions, all of them, own all of them, the Superman in the 40s, 50s, etc., etc., and actually own the entire runs of all of and was re-reading some of the 1938s stories just recently before RE-reading Grant Morrison’s entire v2 Action Comics run again. I’m not in agreement with your assessment that Superman now (nu52), or in the post Miller era (post CoIE, post Byrne, post IC, etc., etc.), was in any way viewed, by himself, or in universe, as an agent of the government, as opposed to a partner (in the sense that any Justice League member, as a group or individually would be) viewed as acting or working with (e.g, hello Mister Fireman, how can I help you with this building fire, or hello Mister Coast Guard, what needs to be done about this tsunami, etc., etc. I don’t think we’re really disagreeing.

Miller is to blame for a number of characterizations that are erroneous. This is one of them. With respect to #46 and with respect to the internet being forever, I wanted to make sure a more fulsome accounting could be found with this reference when it comes up.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@93/_FDS: My point is that I don’t think either you or I has the right to tell a woman that she’s not allowed to be okay with being called a girl. If she’s okay with it, that’s her choice and I respect it.

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9 years ago

Considering the premiere got nearly 100 comments(as many as this season SHIELD thread, which is at 4 episodes, I might add), are we getting reviews of the whole series, or will this be a discussion thread for the season?

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9 years ago

Wait, there’s not a recurring discussion? That would make me sad!

Well, I’m a girl, and I didn’t get the impression FDS was saying I could or couldn’t call myself that…he was just commenting on the way he interpreted that scene and giving his critical opinion on if it accomplished the goal or not.  The scene didn’t quite work for me either, for various personal reasons/perspectives, even though I completely agree with the sentiment and the statement itself.

As an aside, I found Cat much more interesting/palatable in the new episode..still somewhat snarky and not taking any crap, but didn’t seem to have the petty/mean edge to it (I did miss the opening of the show so there might be a scene I missed).

 

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eilidhdawn
9 years ago

The show feels much more like a follow up to Lois and Clark than man of steel or smallville

It’s got a few good points hopefully the show will grow

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@96/Lisamarie: I agree, they did soften Cat a bit, in performance if not necessarily in writing.

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Francesco
9 years ago

     I have been enjoying this show more than I had expected I would.

     Did anyone else catch the apparent tribute in the chemical plant being named Plastino Chemical?

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@99/Francesco: Yes, and the bridge the plane nearly hit in the pilot was the Otto Binder Bridge. They aren’t legally able to give proper credit to Binder and Plastino as Supergirl’s creators, so they’re left with homages. Although there are plenty of other comic-creator name drops in street names, as is the usual custom in superhero adaptations. We’ve heard mentions of the intersections of 6th & Sprang, Gates & Igle (after some recent Supergirl comics creators), and 5th & Siegel, as well as a Donner Avenue.

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Thalita
8 years ago

@2/Ursula: I was disappointed that Kara was so emphatic about saying “I’m not gay!” True, she just meant to say “That’s not the secret I have to reveal,” but hearing that line delivered so forcefully has some unfortunate implications. I wish she’d said something more neutral like, “No, that’s not it!”

 

I didn’t really have a problem with how she said she wasn’t gay. What happened in that scene in my opinion is that she was clearly pissed that Winn would make that talk about him. After all, he was trying to justify why she wasn’t into him and the only possible reason in his mind is that she is a lesbian. I think she only was so emphatic because she needed him to stop turning the conversation to him and his own insecurities and focus on what she was trying to say abut herself. I didn’t feel like she said it with any sort of indignation at being called a lesbian.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@101/Thalita: I’m the one you’re quoting there (responding to Ursula), and I agree absolutely that that was how the line was intended. I’m just concerned that it could’ve been misconstrued by some viewers. (I also didn’t like that it closed off the possibility that she could turn out to be gay, although now they’re going that route with Alex instead.)

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Graham
8 years ago

Kara: “If we call her Supergirl, something less than what she is, doesn’t that make us antifeminist?”

Cat: “What do you think is so bad about ‘girl’? I’m a girl, and your boss, and powerful, and rich, and hot, and smart. So, if you perceive Supergirl as anything less than excellent, isn’t the real problem… you?”

It’s this kind of commentary on sexism that gives you a reason to stick around.”

 

Agree this is in fact a mark of social progress.

But let’s not forget that it was feminism that taught us all to think of the term “girl” as paternalistic and demeaning in the first place, regardless of context or intent, and without criticizing the corresponding use of “boys”. It’s good to be getting past all that.