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Published on November 2, 2016

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These days there are three ways you can look at the relative success of a Marvel movie: as a part of the MCU, as an adaptation of the existing character, and as a film in its own right. In the case of Doctor Strange, it’s particularly appropriate that your perception of the movie will shift depending on which one of those perspectives you choose.

Let’s start with the good news. This is, for anyone with even a passing familiarity with the character, a really good adaptation. The exact basic principles of the comic are on screen: Stephen Strange is a brilliant, driven, egotistical surgeon whose hands are mutilated in a horrific car accident. Desperate to get his life back, he exhausts every option, eventually journeying to Nepal where he is taken in by a magic user called The Ancient One. She teaches him magic and along the way he meets Baron Mordo, Master Kaecilius, and Master Wong and gets a look at how the world truly works.

The script, by C. Robert Cargill and director Scott Derrickson is at its best when it both embraces those basic elements and subverts them. One of the film’s two best scenes sees Strange introduce the unflappable Wong (an excellent, and under used, Benedict Wong) to the wonders of Beyoncé. They’ve rebuilt Baron Mordo as a moralistic, driven figure who feels worthy of both more screen time and a movie in his own right. Finally, their take on The Ancient One is given a distinctly Gallifreyan, playful edge by Tilda Swinton. All three characters spend the first hour of the movie in particular being very successfully turned into something other than the sum of their parts. Even the much vaunted, surrealistic imagery of the original comic is given a glorious, Chthonic touch by Derrickson that feels alien and new, in a way that neither of the Thor movies managed and Ant-Man merely got close to. If, as seems likely, magic is going to be a big part of Phase IV, then this is the best possible introduction for it.

So, Doctor Strange is a great adaptation. It’s also a good Marvel movie. But, the increasingly troubling thing for the studio is that “good” has become its default. Marvel has yet to produce a film which is less than entertaining and Doctor Strange is certainly that. But it’s not very much more than that, and for a film with such a distinct visual identity, that’s bad news. The movie does an excellent job of introducing magic into the Marvel Cinematic Universe but as it finishes, you find yourself a little confused as to where it could possibly go next. There are some fantastic visuals and ideas but the film feels, for want of a better phrase, dangerously complete. There seems to be very little of the emotional growth that makes every Iron Man outing so fascinating, or the ongoing conversation about personal morality that elevates every Captain America movie. There’s not even the often flawed, often interesting exploration of the social and political impact the existence of superhumans would have on society that characterises the 2.5 Avengers movies we’ve had to date. Instead there’s a very good cape, a completely solid central performance, and little indication of the envelope being pushed beyond the pretty visuals.

Marvel's DOCTOR STRANGE..Mordo (Chiwetel Ejiofor)..Photo Credit: Film Frame ..©2016 Marvel. All Rights Reserved.

And that brings us to the bad news. Not only does Doctor Strange as a standalone movie never get beyond the baseline of Marvel movie competence, but it also fails, severely, in several major ways. The casting choices for the film—specifically the casting of Tilda Swinton, Benedict Wong, and Chiwetel Ejiofor—have been the subject of a lot of well-deserved scrutiny, and all three choices are flawed for different reasons. Swinton’s performance is never less than good, but it’s impossible not to view her casting here as a missed opportunity to showcase an Asian actress in a major role—especially when you realize that Benedict Wong is the only Asian primary cast member in a film set predominantly in Nepal. Worse still, the film teases major developments in store for his character that it never quite follows through on. He is at least Strange’s equal, rather than his butler, but he’s also given precious little to do that doesn’t involve being the butt of Strange’s jokes.

Ejiofor’s is the most impressive performance of the three and, ironically, the one least well served by the movie itself. His Baron Mordo is arguably the movie’s strongest character: a fiercely moralistic, principled man who wants to do good and views himself, with some justification, as the hero of his story. He and Cumberbatch play off each other supremely well, too, and that’s what makes the final choices made here with Mordo so incredibly frustrating. Without going into specifics (in order to avoid spoilers), the film teases a welcome and much needed left turn, much in the same way it does with Wong—and then turns right anyway. In the case of all three actors, Derrickson and Cargill have argued very convincingly for their choices. In all three cases, for me at least, their choices lead back to a far more traditional and far less interesting place than the first hour of the film seems to promise.

Cumberbatch is very good, but he’s never less than very good. Also, to put it bluntly, he’s playing a flamboyant, socially awkward genius who has no patience for anyone outside his own head.

Yet again.

Marvel's DOCTOR STRANGE L to R: Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) and Christine Palmer (Rachel McAdams) Photo Credit: Jay Maidment ©2016 Marvel. All Rights Reserved.

He gives Strange a couple of moments of welcome depth but it’s never more than that, and every obstacle he encounters is overcome with remarkable ease. There’s nothing to humanize him in the way that Scott Lang’s good-natured nervousness does in Ant-Man, or the way Peter Quill’s endearingly inflated sense of his own genius lends humor to Guardians of the Galaxy. Stephen Strange is a very clever, very gifted man who shows minimal emotional growth even as he wins, convincingly, for two straight hours.

In that respect, the film is a definite step backward. In the way that it treats its female characters, however, the film is a seven-league leap backwards. While Swinton is consistently solid (and gets at least one of the best jokes), Rachel McAdams is given nothing to do as Doctor Christine Palmer, other than patch Strange up and look long-suffering. The fact that this is the first installment of Marvel to immediately follow Luke Cage—a series redolent with interesting, varied, and complicated female characters—is unfortunate timing at best and profoundly offensive at worst. It’s not even that Marvel should be better than this—they often are. But not here.

The film even suffers technically. While the iconography is brilliant, reinventing spells as something surprisingly close to Tony Stark’s holographic interfaces, far too much of the physical action is dangerously muddy. Derrickson makes a deeply weird choice to use the motion of one shot as a means of cutting to the next one, so you continually find yourself rolling with the punches and not entirely sure where you are. It’s like a more focused—but just as unsuccessful—version of Paul Greengrass’ hyper-caffeinated action cinematography, and it buries a lot of the film’s best moments. Perhaps worst of all are producer Kevin Feige’s hints that both Wong and Palmer will be important parts of the Marvel Universe’s future: that’s great for the future, but doesn’t come anywhere near justifying how badly both characters are served, here.

And yet, for all that, this is a Marvel movie. There is the aforementioned solid baseline level of entertainment that the film never fails to provide. Cumberbatch really is very good; Ejiofor and Benedict Wong are fantastic, and Mads Mikkelsen is excellent, despite playing a villain whose motivation, again, seems to be a placeholder for a future movie. The visuals are dazzling, the soundtrack is Michael Giacchino at his gleeful prog rock dad joke best, and it’s never less than fun. But it’s rarely much more than that either, and with this character, at this stage of the MCU’s development? That’s really disappointing.

Alasdair Stuart is a freelancer writer, RPG writer and podcaster. He owns Escape Artists, who publish the short fiction podcasts Escape PodPseudopodPodcastleCast of Wonders, and the magazine Mothership Zeta. He blogs enthusiastically about pop culture, cooking, and exercise at Alasdairstuart.com, and tweets @AlasdairStuart.

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Alasdair Stuart is a freelancer writer, RPG writer and podcaster. He owns Escape Artists, who publish the short fiction podcasts Escape Pod, Pseudopod, Podcastle, Cast of Wonders, and the magazine Mothership Zeta. He blogs enthusiastically about pop culture, cooking, and exercise at Alasdairstuart.com, and tweets @AlasdairStuart.
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8 years ago

This is an amazing review! Thanks!

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Matthew W.
8 years ago

I am wondering what the “more” the reviewer is expecting is? I mean, I get and agree with the criticisms about some of the casting and so forth, but what is it that you want from Marvel that you’re not getting?

 

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

Would it be safe to say that the visuals make the film worth seeing in 3D? I generally like to know how important 3D is to the experience, and how well it’s used and executed in a film, before deciding whether to spend a few extra bucks on it.

I understand the desire to avoid the “mysterious Oriental” stereotype of the Ancient One, but I think the best way to offset that would’ve been to cast an Asian-American actor as Stephen Strange himself, as some people mooted doing with Danny Rand in Iron Fist. In that case, the argument in favor was that it would’ve avoided the cliche of the white man appropriating and mastering Asian ways better than the Asians did, and the argument against was that it would’ve put Marvel’s first solo Asian lead in the stereotypical role of a martial-arts expert. In the case of Dr. Strange, the latter isn’t so much of an issue.

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8 years ago

How fair is comparing a TV series with a long story arc to develop character and a movie?  Not very.  

Throwing in various social agendas doesn’t really fit either.  The movie works on its own, or it doesn’t. Viewers and reviewers various agendas or lack of agendas may differ.  

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8 years ago

…set predominantly in Tibet.

Kathmandu isn’t in Tibet, it’s in Nepal.

Regardless, Marvel/ Disney’s desire to not get shut out of the Chinese market pretty much means that we can forget any reference to Tibet, or to characters having a Tibetan origin.

With that, Swinton was great in the role, but I wish that along with changing the background of the character, they had also changed the iconography – all her runes and weapons had a distinctly East Asian flavour. 

So yes on the Cumberbatch playing Cumberbatch note above.

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8 years ago

So the movie is fun and entertaining, the visuals are great and the actors all do a really good job, but the movie is disappointing?

It seems to me that a lot of “critics” don’t understand or appreciate where comic book movies come from. Yes, you can have comics and movies that say something substantial, but those are the exception. The rule is to entertain so why a movie that does that is “disappointing” seems to fall completely on the “reviewer” and what they brought in to the theater.

BMcGovern
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8 years ago

@5: “Tibet” corrected to “Nepal”–thanks!

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Total
8 years ago

Er…folks, read the review:

Yes, you can have comics and movies that say something substantial, but those are the exception

The reviewer has a name — Alasdair Stuart — and perhaps we should use it?  And Stuart makes the point that the MCU movies have long had much more substantial messages than just the baseline entertainment.  So, no, they’re not the exception in this context.

How fair is comparing a TV series with a long story arc to develop character and a movie?  Not very.  

Which is why it’s good that Stuart also compares it to other movies.

I am wondering what the “more” the reviewer is expecting is? I mean, I get and agree with the criticisms about some of the casting and so forth, but what is it that you want from Marvel that you’re not getting?

Uh, perhaps doing things that would prevent the criticisms?  Having an Asian actress in Swinton’s place, as one example?

 

Paul Weimer
8 years ago

Thanks for sharing this, Alasdair. The Swinton casting of the Ancient One should have been my first tip off. AS far as the technicals, when I see them movie, I’ll see for myself.

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Kessler
8 years ago

The problem is that this movie is an origin story and needs to introduce the new concept of magic. If one would attempt to put additional themes and more depth to the characters, it would risk turning it into a bloated mess. Doctor Strange certainly played it safe, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I new what to expect and liked what I’ve got. Now I’ll be waiting for the next movie, with much higher expectations.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

I’m a bit surprised that it is an origin story, frankly, since a couple of years ago in The Winter Soldier, Agent Sitwell said that Stephen Strange was one of the people that Hydra was monitoring as potential threats, implying that he was already the Sorceror Supreme. If his origin didn’t happen until now, why was he on the watch list back then?

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Magician
8 years ago

Was this review sarcastic? I couldn’t tell. Aside from criticisms about casting (all of which ended with “but they did a good job anyways,” thus negating them) this entire review is could be summed up as “It was really good, but I didn’t pass out from how amazing it was.” This is the anything less than an A+ is an F of movie reviews. If that’s your bar, you must be perpetually disappointed in modern cinema.

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Matthew W.
8 years ago

@8 Total – I think we all know the reviewer has a name. Calling him “the reviewer” is simply quicker, and sometimes more clear. Also, I don’t think that the casting was what he was referring to when he said that he wanted something more from the movie. I think what he was asking for was perhaps more depth to the minor characters, or maybe feeling less like this movie existed in large part to lead into a bigger movie or wanting it make some kind of statement. At any rate, it wasn’t entirely clear to me what he wanted, and that’s why I asked the question.

As a side note, internet comment sections have plenty of smartypants condescension already and I don’t think it’s necessary to add to it. Just something to think about. 

Tessuna
8 years ago

I too felt that it was good but not as awesome as it easily could have been. I think that the magic-learning felt way too easy. I mean, a doctor who learns magic – I wanted to see him struggling with magic having different logic – or maybe no logic at all… and I wanted to see that the studying has changed Strange on some spiritual level…

Also, as a Wheel of Time reader I couldn´t help but think: He just started to learn how to channel and among his first lessons is Travelling? Oh dear…

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8 years ago

This critique sounds like a signpost marking where Marvel could have taken a much-needed stand against superhero fatigue and did not.  More of the same “good” movies does not lead to any sort of evolution.  I’m already starting to muddle the many, many movies we’ve had so far, with few of them especially standing out.  They need to keep up producing stand-outs, or mixing up a new formula, something, if we’re doing another ten or twenty years of this.

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Total
8 years ago

Calling him “the reviewer” is simply quicker, and sometimes more clear

Or a way of being dismissive, which is how it came across to me.  I note that you still haven’t used Stuart’s name in your post.

Also, I don’t think that the casting was what he was referring to when he said that he wanted something more from the movie

Uh, strange that Stuart said “The casting choices for the film—specifically the casting of Tilda Swinton, Benedict Wong, and Chiwetel Ejiofor—have been the subject of a lot of well-deserved scrutiny, and all three choices are flawed for different reasons” then.

t any rate, it wasn’t entirely clear to me what he wanted, and that’s why I asked the question.

The entire second half of the review was about what Stuart thought didn’t work and what he thought should be better.  You asked a question that the majority of the review had already addressed.

As a side note, internet comment sections have plenty of smartypants condescension already and I don’t think it’s necessary to add to it. Just something to think about.

Says the person who won’t use the reviewer’s name.

I also note that Internet comment threads have lots of commenters who clearly haven’t read the article they’re commenting on.  Just something to think about.

 

 

 

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James Moar
8 years ago

Would it be safe to say that the visuals make the film worth seeing in 3D?

Yes, I’d say it’s one of those few films where the 3D really helps to boost what the visuals are doing.

BMcGovern
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8 years ago

Hi, all–we appreciate the effort to keep the conversation civil thus far, but let’s move away from the interpersonal critiques and back to discussing Doctor Strange and the MCU.

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8 years ago

I agree that the movie is a great adaptation, but it has two main problems that doesn’t make it nothing more than a “good” film in my book: 1) the overuse of jokes. I believe that yo uneed small, specific moments where humor deflates the grave ambience of a film… but not every five minutes. While it did not take me out of the game as it did in Iron Man 3, this film could have used 50% less jokes. 2) The “mirror dimension” reality warping action scenes were a bit too long. I do love the spell visuals and gesturing… though the rings were a bit stupid.

On a lesser scale, I also think that the movie could have used much less magical kung-fu (since this is not Iron Fist) and more spell battling. Would it have looked a bit like a Green Lantern movie? Maybe, but I wanted to see magical constructs that went beyond weapons and other (visually) small things. There was too much punching and stabbing for a wizard movie, dammit!

I was a bit sad there wasn’t any direct tie-ins to SHIELD or the Netflix shows. Another missed opportunity, although it might tie sideways into Iron Fist (five months away).

I do not agree that it needed to explore the sociopolitical impact of superhumans on the world, because it’s by definition a movie about what happens behind the scenes of what most people see as the world. A lot of people criticize MCU movies as being just parts of a series of movies (not me, that doesn’t bother me), so this one did a great job of being pretty much stand-alone, while also tying into the broader setting. Also, the film is not “predominantly set in Nepal”, so the lack of Asian cast is not a major point here.

And what you mention about Cumberbatch playing his usual role… in this case, I think he did it so well, and it fit so much with Strange, that during the film I never thought of the actor and his other roles, but always of the character. And I do not agree that he does not grow emotionally during the course of  the film.

Two things:

1) I don’t think Strange introduces Wong to Beyoncé. It’s pretty obvious that Wong already knew who she was, and was just playing stoic and detached from the worldly culture to mess with Strange.

2) Mordo is not, imho, well-writen. His turn to darkness is not believable at all. (Also, they never call him Baron in the film, do they?)

– MByerly: Agree with your first point.

@11 – Chris: Hydra could have had access to mystics that forewarned them, even if they didn’t know exactly what he’d be, that Strange could be a threat.

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Gregorman
8 years ago

Two characters named Benedict as the top stars in a movie? What are the chances? I never read too much Doctor Strange as a kid. The odd crossover was about it. And then there was this graphic novel, in which Dr Strange was forced to team up with Doctor Doom to free Doom’s mother from the grasp of Mephisto, who somehow stole it way back when. As Dr Doom was by far my favorite villain, I bought it, and thereby gained a bit more respect for Dr Strange as well.

Dr Strange never really fit as a superhero, imo. Nevertheless, I collected that series for a bit after that, and grew to like it, although not as much as other series. I hope the movie lives up to the lofty standards set by Iron Man or the Avengers, and not down to the lowly dreck that was Fantastic Four.  

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@20/MaGnUs: Maybe, but that’s a reach. I would’ve preferred it if the movie had opened with Strange already established. We’ve had too many origin stories already, and most of the complaints I’m hearing about this movie revolve around it basically rehashing the same formula as the first Iron Man. So maybe it would’ve been a stronger movie if it hadn’t been an origin story. I understand the need to introduce and explain the Marvel supernatural realm to the audience, but instead of Strange learning that from the other mystics, that could’ve been done by having an audience-surrogate character (like Christine Palmer) get drawn into Dr. Strange’s world and have him explain it to her, like the role of the companions at the start of both the classic and current Doctor Who series, or the role of Wolverine and Rogue in 2000’s X-Men. (This is actually a very common pattern with X-Men screen premieres, to focus on a viewpoint character joining and learning about the pre-existing X-Men team. The “Pryde of the X-Men” pilot used Kitty in the role, the ’90s FOX series used Jubilee, and X-Men Evolution used Nightcrawler.)

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Dougl
8 years ago

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Yep, if they aren’t going to do an emotional arc whereby he comes dangerously close to suicide or something for having his life destroyed, why bother showing it. They could do his origin in the opening freaking montage the way they did it here and just a Doctor Strange movie that actually advanced something. We didn’t get an origin for Thor, I think that’s the only one.

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8 years ago

@22, Christopher – I thought that it paralleled the much-maligned Green Lantern movie myself. It’s a standard “hero’s journey”, of course, but many of the plot beatsare identical.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@24/CNash: That’s my point. One origin story is much like another, and the main complaint I’m hearing about this film is that its story is too familiar and formulaic. If they’d done something other than an origin story, then it might’ve been fresher. Not every character needs to begin with an origin story. Heck, in the comics, Doctor Strange didn’t get his origin explained until his fourth story, when it was told in flashback.

Jason_UmmaMacabre
8 years ago

@25, that was why I really liked how they did it for the Constantine show that was on tv last year. He was already knee deep in fighting evil and we were introduced through someone who had no idea about the dark arts. I thought it was very effective. 

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Irrevenant
8 years ago

@11 Remember that in The Winter Soldier they were using an incredibly advanced algorithm which anticipated people who would become problems for Hydra in future. I assume Strange was flagged for that reason. 

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Andrewiswriting
8 years ago

So, to sum up – everyone is very good, the movie is very good, but meh something something disappointing.

Much like this review, thanks for taking the time.

While we’re at it – “Marvel has yet to produce a film which is less than entertaining”

<ahem>

Both Hulks, Iron Man 3… come on.

 

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@27/Irrevenant: I doubt a computer algorithm could’ve predicted Strange’s car accident and his subsequent search for a cure, or whatever mystical, unearthly forces contributed to his origin. As MaGnUs said, they would’ve pretty much needed actual seers.

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Kate
8 years ago

So just any Asian actress would be better, huh? You can just lump them all into one basket?  Do you have any idea how much that offends Asians of different backgrounds and countries and cultures? When white people trying to protect the interests of Asians (which is kind of offensive in itself, us assuming that role) just see them as all the same flavor?   

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8 years ago

@29 – Chris: My first thought, right after a friend made the same question you did when were coming out of the theater, is that the algorithm predicted Strange’s highly advanced medical skills somehow helping the Avengers or something like that.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@30/Kate: I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that. The concern is that, since there are so few roles for Asian actors in Hollywood movies to begin with, that any instance of casting a white actor in an originally Asian role is problematical because it takes one more employment opportunity away from an Asian actor. This is not a “white” concern, it’s one that comes from the Asian-American community (and its allies, of course). The same concern has been raised about many prior examples, like casting Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness, casting Natalie Dormer as a character based on a real-life Japanese woman in The Forest, or casting Scarlett Johanssen as Motoko Kusanagi in the upcoming Ghost in the Shell movie (although at least that has a fair number of Asian actors in the supporting cast). Of course nobody’s saying that any Asian actor/actress would be equally good; I don’t have a clue where you’re getting that impression. The objection is that Asian performers are still being systematically shut out of lead roles in Hollywood features.

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8 years ago

I liked the movie a lot more than other folks who commented above.  Because they were introducing magic to the MCU for the first time, I think giving Strange a traditional origin story was a good move, as it introduced us to the Marvel system of magic along the way.  I myself liked the casting, and enjoyed the performances of all the actors.  And I thought the amount of humor was about right, with the sentient Cloak of Levitation being the best touch (and Wong finally laughing at the end was a good moment).

The Ancient One and Wong, as originally portrayed in the comics, were racial stereotypes.  Casting Swinton as the Ancient One, and presenting Wong as an equal instead of a servant, upended those stereotypes in different ways.  I don’t ever remember Mordo getting much motivation in the comics, other than saying he fell under the sway of evil–so the backstory they gave him in this movie felt very satisfying to me.  Ejiofor is a wonderful actor, and will make a compelling antagonist in future installments.

As we were watching all the glowing diagram magical spells, and all the kaleidoscopic movement of buildings, I kept thinking, “Where are all the cool and blobby surrealistic backdrops that Ditko gave us in the original?”  But then Strange went to the Dark Dimension, and I got my blobby stuff.  And the way Strange beat Dormannu with the time loop was great.  His learning how to endure pain and suffering turned out to be the key to victory.

If I were ranking all the Marvel movies to date against each other, I would put this movie in the upper half.  Part of it might be the fact that Strange was one of my favorite characters (or at least he was back when Ditko was doing the books).  But a lot of that ranking comes from the fact that this was a well constructed movie with a lot of good performances.

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Athreeren
8 years ago

@11 : They could have set the beginning of the film in the past, and have references to the state of the MCU at the time (on the contrary there is a reference to Civil War). This would allow Strange to spend a long time becoming the best sorceror in the world. Because here the timeline barely leaves him less than a year. If it is this easy to learn magic, how comes it’s still a secret? And I agree that the Doctor Who approach of having the world explained to a companion would have probably worked better.

 

@32: Yes, people are indeed saying that any Asian actor would be better, without taking their origins into account. Just see the article that was released here on that subject when Scarlett Johansson was cast as Major Kusanagi (with many references on Swinton as the Ancient One controversy): the actresses mentioned as possible alternatives for Johansson were Constance Wu, Arden Cho, Elodie Yung and Rinko Kikuchi, only one of whom has anything to do with Japan, as far as I know.

When the argument is for diversity, I completely get it, Hollywood should do a better job of representing the population. But don’t say it’s about respecting one’s culture if you think any actor can play any character as long as they have roots in the same continent.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@34/Athreeren: I understand the reasons for that concern, but I don’t really see how it’s worse than, say, having an English actor like Cumberbatch play an American like Strange, or having the American Scarlett Johanssen play the Russian Black Widow. Or having a Jewish actor play Hitler, as has happened on multiple occasions. Granted, a lot of Asian ethnicities are more recognizably distinct to Asian observers than they would be to Western observers, but I think there’s got to be some wiggle room. Although I agree it would be better if the parameters of that wiggle room were defined from an Asian(-American) perspective of what would be okay rather than a white perspective of “they all look alike.”

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8 years ago

It was a good movie. I think it worked well in 3D, though I’d have to see the other version to be sure. I had low expectations given the pre-release controversy and it exceeded them handily. 

I found the use of combat magic to be unimaginative though. Is there a rule against ranged weapons? And it doesn’t really address the fact that a sniper could have put down the bad guys with no problem. 

I saw it with my father, who read Dr Strange when it first came out, and he really liked it. Though he commented that the setting in Nepal isn’t nearly as exotic as it was back in the day. The only reason it was a difficult trip for Dr Strange was that he’d spent almost all of his money already. Especially since Strange could have found magic in New York but for the fact that his source has found it in Nepal. I think the movie did a good job of acknowledging the orientalism of the original character without getting mired in it. 

I have other thoughts but they’re spoilery so they’ll have to wait. 

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Total
8 years ago

But don’t say it’s about respecting one’s culture if you think any actor can play any character as long as they have roots in the same continent.

How about if we say that, yes, we’d love for Hollywood to understand that there are individual countries in Asia (and Africa, for that matter) and it would be nice if they would think them then when casting, but we’ll settle for the moment for them getting in the correct hemisphere?  Small steps for an industry that can’t cast women above a certain age, African-Americans, or really anyone not young and/or male.

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8 years ago

In addition to good box office overseas, the movie did well in its first weekend in the US.  Projected to bring in $70 million, the movie instead earned $85 million. 

Scully
8 years ago

This is the first review I’ve come across that perfectly encapsulates my feelings for this movie. Thank you for writing an honest review. I’m tired of reading all the glowing praise this movie clearly does not deserve. It was a good movie. No doubt. But it was a long way from a great one.

Also, if studios can stop gearing movies for all the kiddos, that would be great. I’m really tired of the obvious, cheesy jokes.

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8 years ago

@34 – Athreeren: There is no actual Civil War reference. The director has straight out denied it in interviews (highlight below for slight spoiler):

The CW reference we all thought was there was “Air Force Colonel with injured spine after testing experimental armor”; we all thought that meant Rhodey, the director has said it’s not, it might have been the idea at some point, but they’re saying now it’s not. It’s probably, if you want to rationalize it somehow, a random Air Force Colonel testing one of the Iron Monger prototypes, or a Hammertech prototype.

@37 – Total: Here in South America (and Central and Mexico) we’d like Hollywood to acknowledge we’re not all interchangeable either. :)

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Total
8 years ago

@37 – Total: Here in South America (and Central and Mexico) we’d like Hollywood to acknowledge we’re not all interchangeable either. :)

ONE HEMISPHERE AT A TIME!

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8 years ago

Damn bureaucracy.

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8 years ago

Enjoyed seeing Doctor Strange last night.
And I guess the film-makers decided Strange had a hint of rhotacism for the same reason Kripke in the Big Bang theory does (according to the actor it was to undercut his arrogance with a bit of human weakness) but it was a little distracting.
And I was really looking forward to Cumberbatch delivering the line “…By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!”
Nevertheless, cracking film!

But…

two things are bugging me. The first is the time frame. We see Avengers Tower in all the New York City-scapes (even the first one) yet the film seems to take place over years.  The accident, the recovery time, the fruitless questing, and finally the training. Beards like that don’t grow overnight…

The second Steange’s lack of response to Murdo’s objection to Strange’s tactics.  it’s nice that this film continues to carry the Marvel message that their heroes are (mostly) not consciousless killing machines, showing Strange freaking out when he realised he’d killed while defending himself with magic. He was quick to counter and reject Murdo and the Ancient One’s insistence that he will need to do so again. Yet when Murdo accuses him of defending the Natural Order by violating it, Strange doesn’t counter that. Yet he could have had a speech about how that’s what medicine is, and what a surgeon does: affect the body in unnatural ways to restore the natural workings 

_FDS
8 years ago

Finally saw this yesterday as a standard movie. For future reference, only a portion of the movie would like have benefited from a 3-D showing, towards the middle half and towards the end, and for me, I personally felt no loss in retrospect but can see how others might. The casting choices (respecting this material and the general question) have been addressed elsewhere – and slightly here – in far better respects so I will only comment that I thought making The Ancient One a person with a Celtic past was, in part, a ways to slightly forestall this – the introduction to magic could have taken place at the London Sanctum and, as mentioned above in various places, some of the runes, books, and perhaps even towards the death of TAO being in a moment that took place in Great Britain’s past, perhaps, would have gone a bit towards making it a more successful attempt.

Genre fiction has long established a variety of magical practices in various cultures, epochs and forms and there’s no reason that the MCU’s ‘sufficiently indistinguishable’ but currently incomprehensible forms of theoretical and advance science as well as reality perception bending actions which we (and the current active participants of the MCU will perceive as ‘magic’) do not come from any number of sources, rather than be so highly aligned with a Far Eastern and Asian mystical aspect.

As for the review – personally, I find the MCU to be, generally, well-made product and, in that respect, accomplish the objective of similarly situated products, e.g. entertainment. I believe the fatigue expressed by our Reviewer here, Mr. Stuart, is the same exhibited elsewhere by others – as can be observed in many ways, such as audience scores, box office, etc. Well-made products can be viewed as competent, highly competent, or exceptional and this was not a particularly exceptional variation. With a lower entertainment quotient, it (as with Antman) will not achieve a similar outcome as did a similarly-situated product: Guardians of the Galaxy. In fact, I would believe that a measure of it’s success can be solely placed in it’s lead and, while repetitious, his similarly inclined and, as frequently well-produced, exceptional performance. A good comparison could be made with Star Trek – Into Darkness. Ultimately, it’s logical failures and it’s canonical characterizations and absurdities towards the Trek ethos, as a long-time fan, make it something I cannot bare to watch, I would sincerely admit to having found it’s 3D IMAX theatrical presentation to be highly entertaining and easily see how most would not have suffered my fridge logic moments before we even left the air-conditioned comfort of the theater.

So, while this review somewhat touches upon the problems here, I believe one of the reasons for the complaints in the comments, beyond Marvel drones, is that it’s a spoiler-free review and I believe some specifics might help. That’s not to say the movie is not, as is standard, a well-made product. It’s just far from the best version of the same product, or even (at least IMHO) among the higher echelon of same.

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André Jurado
8 years ago

Haters will be haters…  

This movie only deserves good reviews. 

Seems to me the reviewer only wanted a sequel and got frustrated on the way. Don’t. You doing it wrong. 

Enjoy the ride Marvel richly provided us with, and if there’s a sequel,  then be it and be happy about it because there will probably be one. A good one. And if not, we got already lucky just by having this one alone. There, I said it. ???? 

Cheers! 

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8 years ago

– haters gonna hate? The reviewer makes some minor criticisms. This is his job. He’s a movie critic. If I’m going to take anything from this review, it’s that this is a well-made, entertaining film that is better than most films, but not the best Marvel movie. That’s hardly “hating”