Indiana Jones isn’t that bad of an archaeologist.
I mean, okay, the low relative quality of his archaeological expeditions is so notorious it’s become a bit of a truism. There’s a great McSweeney’s list of the reasons Herr Doktor Jones was denied tenure. Even as I make this argument, I can hear friends of mine who spent their summers on digs cringe inside, across the continent. (Hi, Celia!) But hear me out. This won’t take long.
(Looks at rest of essay)
Um. Maybe it will. Keep reading anyway.
First, I want to acknowledge the common protests. Jonesian archaeology looks a lot different from the modern discipline. If Jones wanted to use surviving traces of physical culture to assemble a picture of, say, precolonial Peruvian society, he’s definitely going about it the wrong way. Jones is a professional fossil even for the mid-30s—a relic of an older generation of Carters and Schliemans. Which, if you think about it, makes sense. By Raiders, he already has tenure, probably gained based on his field work in India (Subterranean Thuggee Lava Temples: An Analysis and Critical Perspective, William & Mary Press, 1935), and the board which granted him tenure were conservatives of his father’s generation, people who actually knew Carter and Schlieman (not to mention Jones, Sr.).*
* I’ll set aside for the moment a discussion of cronyism and nepotism, phenomena utterly foreign to contemporary tenure review boards…
Jones is the last great monster of the treasure-hunting age of archaeology. To judge him by modern standards is to indulge the same comforting temporal parochialism that leads us to dismiss post-Roman Europe as a “Dark Age.” Jones may be a lousy archaeologist as we understand the field today. But is he a lousy archaeologist in context?
To answer this question, we must evaluate the tasks Jones sets for himself—or the tasks set for him. Often Jones seeks an object smaller than a standard sea chest, with at best a vague sense of its location. In most cases the object is regarded by the brightest minds of the field to be mythical. Nor are these objects hiding just out of sight—in Raiders, Jones searches for the Ark of the Covenant, which his mentor, Dr. Ravenwood, pursued for his entire career without success—and finds it in less than a month. In Crusade, Jones finds the Holy Grail. Yes, he uses his father’s grail diary to get there—but, then, Henry Jones Sr. had that diary, and he didn’t find the Grail himself.
In each of the first three films*, Jones pursues two legendary objects, with a presumed goal of delivering each to a museum—one in the opening act, and another in the main plot. That gives us six data points: the idol head, the Ark of the Covenant, the ashes of Nurhachi, the Siva Stones, the Cross of Coronado, and the Holy Grail. Only the Cross actually makes it to the museum, which leaves Jones with a 16.7% success rate, but he does locate each object he sets out to find. If we ignore the Siva Stones, which Jones seems to have always planned to return to the village from which they were stolen, Jones’ success rate at converting “this object is probably mythical” into “this object is part of a publicly accessible museum collection” rises to one in five. His methods may be unorthodox by modern standards, but 20% is a lot higher than average, considering that we remember the names of archaeologists who do this even once.
* I have not seen Crystal Skull. Maybe I should?
Having addressed the question of his success at his own goals, let’s turn to some common complaints against Jones. Outstanding among these is the assertion that any of the death traps Jones casually subverts would be worth a great deal more to archaeology than the objects he sets out to recover. How many actual working pressure-sensitive blow gun traps do we have from Pre-Colombian Peru?
This is the strongest challenge to Jones’ methods, and to respond I’ll resort to a kind of movie logic, which pains me, but here we are. It’s hard to ignore that the Jones universe clearly differs in small but important ways from our own—consider, for example, the existence of magic, or the fact that a rubber raft can double as a parachute. The death traps Jones subverts would be archaeological fascinations in our world, where such things don’t exist (outside of Qin Shihuang’s tomb, perhaps) and would in fact be an amazing discovery. But they clearly do exist in Jones’ world, and are quite common.
Consider the case of the Peruvian tomb, in which Jones tries to defeat each trap in sequence. Either he discovered a description of the tomb’s traps, which suggests that Jones expected any extant traps to be functional, suggesting in turn that Jones possesses an overabundance of caution (hah!) or a history of encountering just such death traps—or he had a general sense of what traps are commonly used in tombs, even when those traps (like the beam of light-spear trap in Raiders) have no easily-deduced mechanism.* In either case, we’re forced to admit that active death traps in Jones’ universe are a common concern for archaeologists, on the borderline between nuisance and real danger. Perhaps a wave of archaeologists in the Indiana Jones Universe’s 1970s will earn tenure as a result of advances in the revolutionary field of death trap archaeology, much as the study of middens has become key to modern archaeology.
* Seriously. How the hell does that spear trap work? This is Raiders’ biggest mystery, as far as I’m concerned—much bigger than the question of how Jones holds his breath during the U-Boat ride. The ancients seem to have had an excellent command of optics.
Another common challenge, more easily dismissed, is that Jones is a bad teacher. Let’s set aside for the moment the fact that it’s perfectly possible to be a successful researcher and a horrible teacher. We seldom see Jones in the classroom, but what we do see paints him as a terrific teacher. In, let’s remember, 1936, his class looks like this:
This is not what the classroom of a bad teacher looks like. Trust me. I’ve been a teacher, and when I started I was not a good one. This is especially not what the classroom of a bad teacher in 1936 looks like—look at that gender balance. Jones, who we’re led to believe works at an old-money institution*, if not an Ivy than a near-Ivy, has a classroom of at least two-thirds women.
* I still haven’t seen Crystal Skull, but exterior shots of Marshall College for that film were made at Yale.
For contrast, my alma mater didn’t even admit women to its undergraduate program until the embarrassingly late year of 1969. And before you pass this gender balance off as a wartime phenomenon, we’re in ’36—Pearl Harbor’s a long ways away. The gender balance is such I might assume Marshall (Jones’ institution) to be a women’s college, but there are clearly male students, so we’re left to assume that Jones is a popular teacher, especially with female students. Suggesting all those women are in Jones’ class because they want to sleep with him—a common assertion—rejects out of hand the possibility that these women are legitimately excited about archaeology as Jones presents it, which seems like a skeevy and disrespectful move to me.
Granted, at least one student is romantically interested in Jones, which has led some viewers to the conclusion that Jones makes a habit of the kind of affairs that feature largely in the sort of novels certain English professors write about English professors. But Jones seems unsettled by his student’s romantic interest in him—and, while this draws aside form the main course of my argument, we see no evidence Jones is attracted to women over whom he has power.
Jones has three romantic engagements over three movies: Marion Ravenwood, whose introduction scene features her drinking a Sherpa under the table; Willie Smith, who may not be terribly well-prepared for bar fights and elephant rides but is a canny operator in her own right—it takes savvy for a farm girl to establish herself as Shanghai glitterati (Smith and Jones are actually a great pair, in a way: they both have chips on their shoulders the size of Texas, Smith’s discomfort with insects matches Jones’ discomfort with snakes, they have the same temper, etc.); and Ilsa, a hypercompetent archaeologist whose only weakness is that she happens to be a Nazi. Jones’ erotic interests appear consistent: he likes people who see him as a partner, a screw-up, or both.* Which, of course, parallels his relationship with his father…and that’s as far as I’ll take this psychoanalytic sidebar. Let’s leave it here: people can behave in weird and bad and inconsistent ways, but I see no indication Jones is interested in affairs with his students.
* Compare this to James Bond, habitually drawn to fish-out-of-water innocents to whom he can condescend.
Which leads me to the final point often used to argue that Jones isn’t a good (or representative) archaeologist, which tends to be that he’s too badass. Too hot. Too competent. Too adventurous. Archaeologists wear tweed. Archaeologists have glasses that make their eyes look bigger.
Bullshit.
Let me tell you a story: in my 20s I met a young woman riding on the Mongolian steppe. I was part of a tour, on our third or fourth day out from base camp, feeling like a sack of potatoes in the saddle. She appeared at the summit of a ridge we were riding up: glint of sunlight on blonde hair under blue sky, moving as if born to the saddle. We hailed one another and paused to talk and share airag. She grew up in Montana, she said, around horses, and she had a few weeks off so she decided to go steppe riding by herself, and sleep under the stars. A few weeks off, said I. Where was she working?
At a dig, she replied, in the Gobi Desert. “There are abandoned cities all over the place out there,” she said. Then I asked her how I could stop feeling like a sack of potatoes in the saddle, and she taught me how to post.
This encounter set me afire with the dream of going back to school for central Asian archaeology. I investigated the idea and learned that in addition to the modern and Classical Chinese I already knew, I’d need at least a reading knowledge of French, German, Russian, Japanese, modern Mongolian, Sogdien which is a language I swear, Tangut, Uighur wouldn’t hurt, and at some point I’d have to pick up the Chinese character transliterations for Mongolian used in Yuan dynasty records. Then roughly seven years of PhD study in places where my girlfriend of seven years couldn’t follow—I’d have to surrender most of my friendships, and set aside writing as a serious pursuit. (All those languages!) But, God. Ancient cities in the desert.
Another anecdote: I’ve had wonderful professors, I’ve had brilliant professors, but without doubt the most badass professor I’ve ever had the pleasure to work with was Doctor Kimberly Bowes, a late classical archaeologist who spent a year teaching what amounts to introductory Mediterranean political science and history. Dr. Bowes knew a billion languages and she spent her fieldwork being lowered down pits into buried villages and subterranean temples of blood-drinking cults (I mean, Christian churches, but, you know, same diff). Having swallowed the “real archaeologists aren’t Indiana Jones” pill along with every skeptical kid my age, I thought she must be the exception, the Sole Awesome Archaeologist. Then a colleague of hers arrived one day to watch her class—he rode in on his motorcycle, with leather boots and a lanky figure and the kind of five-o-clock shadow actors pay people to help them fake.
And the stories I’ve heard from friends who’ve gone on fieldwork! Yes, it’s grids and dust and potsherds and toothbrushes, sure, but if you’ve ever camped out, and I mean really camped out, like a week in the mountains somewhere hiking ten miles a day kind of camping out—imagine doing that for months at a stretch, digging all day and working (or drinking, or both) all night. Imagine scars and shovel blisters and sweat and back pain and waking before dawn because you were so tired you went to sleep an hour after sundown. Imagine speaking three languages around a campfire. Imagine poisonous snakes on a thornbush-covered mountain at sunrise.
You know that bit in Firefly, where River says the cows forgot they were cows while they were inside a spaceship? If you’re reading this, I’ll hazard that your job takes place entirely inside the spaceship. Not so for an archaeologist who does fieldwork. That’s pretty awesome.
Indiana Jones isn’t that bad of an archaeologist at all, within his cultural and historical context. He’s a successful adventurer. He’s a popular teacher. And he, as per usual for archaeologists, is a badass. The real practice of archaeology doesn’t look much like the movies, no. But he’s far from the disaster he’s frequently envisioned to be.
Max Gladstone writes books about the cutthroat world of international necromancy: wizards in pinstriped suits and gods with shareholders’ committees. Last First Snow, his next novel, is about zoning politics, human sacrifice, and parenthood. You can follow him on Twitter.
Yeah, Max. I want you to see Crystal Skull, and then come back to your thesis here. :)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had a lot of problems (though I like it better than the average, as I found it a natural update to the ’30s throwbacks of the original movies: what happens when you shift society forward twenty years? Exactly what we got), but one of the things I think it did well was showing Jones in his academic habitat, and the contrast and dichotomy between Dr. Henry Jones, Jr., Ph.D, and “Indiana” Jones, OSS*, field explorer, discoverer of secrets–how the two personas oppose and also are strengthened by each other.
*The casual mention of Indy as an OSS agent was pitch perfect. Of course he was. What else? Bet he knew Berg and Child personally.
Re: Qin Shihuang’s tomb. Will someone PLEASE do a proper excavation of this thing before I die?
Hilarious work, though it’s worth mentioning that Schliemann was pretty dodgy even by the standards of his OWN time, and never held an academic position. (And whose personal life seems to make your assessment of Indy’s positively mild by comparison.)
Speaking as someone for whom Raiders of the Lost Ark is her all time favorite movie EVER, bless this post. <3
And since I am such a Raiders fangirl I am in a position to note that in the novelization of the movie, Indy was in fact sleeping with that student. But the novelization, I note, was no doubt based on an earlier version of the script, and that little tidbit didn’t make it into the movie. I am therefore willing to dismiss it as not entirely canon.
Re: Crystal Skull, ha! I am not quite in the camp of “this movie never existed”, and I did in fact see it twice–but mostly what I got out of it was delight at the closure it gave Indy and Marion, and a bit of regret that Cate Blanchett’s villain was not quite as awesome as she should have been, given that she was played by Cate Blanchett.
* I have not seen Crystal Skull. Maybe I should?
Now you’re just trolling us.
I had a similar thought the last time I read an “Indy is a terrible archaeologist” rant — that maybe he wasn’t so bad by the standards of his time. But this is articulated much better.
The aforementioned rant was on io9 a while ago, and one of the commenters proposed that, yes, Indy was a tomb robber and treasure hunter, but maybe he was a “white hat” treasure hunter (by analogy with a white hat hacker) — he’d remove the items of value to treasure hunters before the nastier ones (like Belloq) got them, whereupon the archaeological sites would subsequently be left alone and be safe from damage by plunderers, allowing other, more reputable archaeologists to go in afterward and study the scientifically fascinating death traps at their leisure.
Fortunately, Max, there is no Crystal Skull; thank goodness, because if it had been made it would have been even worse than another notoriously hypothetical movie like Attack of the Clones would have been had it also ever been produced.
I love the idea of students crafting dissertations on how best to tackle a tomb trap, or the archaeological methodology of rope swinging.
As a lifelong Indiana Jones fan I went to see The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in the cinema for my 30th birthday. Worst birthday ever. Like watching my childhood being pecked apart by crows. Cheap, tacky plastic crows.
>Jones, who we’re led to believe works at an old-money institution*, if not an Ivy than a near-Ivy, has a classroom of at least two-thirds women.
>* I still haven’t seen Crystal Skull, but exterior shots of Marshall College for that film were made at Yale.
Indy is at the University of Chicago. http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/University_of_Chicago
Which does fit the near-Ivy description. (And has a pretty excellent archaeology department in real life.)
…I kind of want to write this story now.
@3. mutantalbinocrocodile: I know!! The only thing that gives me pause is a desire for the eventual excavators to do it *right,* which to my mind means apolitically, transparently, & with full involvement of the international academic community.
I’m not going to advise you on whether to see Crystal Skull or not.
But my take on it is that while it’s a terrible movie, the established continuity is not violated by the events of the movie, which differentiates it from certain prequels.
@@.-@. annathepiper: Excellent, and noted! I too am fine with regarding the novel as less-than-canon. And I kinda do want to watch Crystal Skull just for fun—I can do the same thing I do with certain authors’ sequels to their own books & treat it as fanfic that happens to be by the creator.
@6. ChristopherLBennett I *love* the notion of white hat treasure hunting.
@@@@@ 8. n interesting film-crit takedown of the movie.
@@@@@ 10. Packetdancer: Oh my god DO IT.
To be fair, Henry Sr. probably WOULD have found the grail on his own had the Nazis not kidnapped him. He made it as far as the library, after all, which contained the very last required clue.
As for Abner, I’m not sure of the circumstances of his death, and it seems clear that Marion didn’t seem interested in pursuing his quest. It seems there was also a question of money/resources with Abner. Now, the Nazis found Tanis, which again, was the last piece. The question remains that if Abner had the time and resources, would he have found it? Also, how long would it have taken Indy to find it if the Nazis had not already discovered the city AND the map room? Not to mention that Abner was the one who originally found the headpiece and Indy was just following all of HIS notes.
Hey Max, old school submarines only dove before they attacked; if they were just moving from point A to B (as I believe they do in Raiders of the Lost Ark), they would stay on the surface. I mean, it’s a pre-WWII U-boat after all, not something from the height of the cold war. :)
Max @@@@@ #13: Yeah, I’m pretty sure the novelization still had a foot in the more “playboy” version of the character–the one they were playing with when they were still considering Tom Selleck for the role. There’s not much emphasis on the affair with the student; it’s a throwaway mention, as I recall, during the scene Indy has with Brody at his house. But it was there!
@15. crzydroid: Fair points. Certainly, Jones Jr. stands on the shoulders of giants; he’s no Grothendieckian mansion-builder. But he does, at least, get there first. (Like Lobachevsky.)
@16 davidholden: That makes so much sense! Thank you for resolving (to my mind) the biggest consistency problem in the series.
@17 annathepiper: Wow. Every time I re-learn that Tom Selleck was up for Indiana Jones, my mind is re-blown. It’s like the Christopher Walken / Han Solo schtick, only real.
I thought the Indiana Jones type was bullshit, too until I took an intro class to archaeology in college from the craziest motherfucker I have ever met.
Stories about dealing with gun-toting guerillas in the Peru, stealing avgas from a local military base so they’d have fuel for a dig, how to deal with black market money exchangers in Costa Rica and just how goddamn easy it is to die in the jungle.
Max @15, Grothendieck has finally left the room, yes. A different kind of bad ass academic, the very words we speak were his first
Thank you for this bit of text:
“the kind of affairs that feature largely in the sort of novels certain English professors write about English professors”.
Brilliance.
Nothing new to add but the asides on this essay were making me chuckle :) Thanks for the post!
I never even considered that the gender balance of his classes would be considered out of the ordinary in that time. Hah, love that!
tnv @9
Eh.. but Universities can have individual colleges for the various major disciplines.
scifantasy @2
Considering that Jones had been pretty much sparring with shadowy Nazi fronts for two thirds of the original trilogy, and adding in his skillset(multiple languages, knowledge of firearms, traps) he was a shoo in for OSS. What else was he gonna do? Join the regular army?
And yeah… Crystal Skull was mehhh… It was good to see Marion Ravenwood again, along with the tidbit of Jones’ service with the OSS during the war, but everything else(that screwball son of hers, for example) never mind.
Nice essay, Mr. Gladstone!
Apart from all that, I would love to see a new Indy series (animated perhaps?) set during his time with the OSS. Sorry, Soviets, Indy’s baddies are the Nazis. He hates those guys. We all do, Indy.
Max @@@@@ #18: I KNOW RIGHT? I have a huge mental block imagining Selleck as Jones. But I think we get a faint echo of it in the opening scene of Temple of Doom, too. That’s about the only place I could imagine Selleck, with that whole white jacket and red flower on the label look Ford had going on.
Redlander @@@@@ #24: I TOTALLY want to hear more about Indy’s OSS adventures. If more Jones novels ever show up I want that to be their focus. :D
From the sound of it, people should stop telling aspirants that ‘archaeology is nothing like Indiana Jones’, since it seems they are both a)only discouraging those inclined to join the field and b)lying through their teeth to keep the fun to themselves… for a given value of ‘fun’. If you define life-and-death danger, deprivation, brushing up against the seedy parts of less economically developed countries as fun… which, you know, people who thing ‘arachaeoloy is Indiana Jones’ WOULD….
Yeah, people REALLY have to stop passing around this lie…
One of the prizes of my early 1990s videotape collections (along with Twin Peaks and Wild Palms) is The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Each episode was framed by a 95-year-old Indy reminiscing about about the plot of the episode and he was a totally bad-ass old coot.
This show was MUCH better then it sounds, especially the World War I episodes. Well-researched, exciting, and occasionally heartbreaking, with character cameos that were AWESOME if you knew the history to begin with; if not, a great reason to go learn the history.
@27: I liked George Hall as Old Indy, but unfortunately, George Lucas didn’t; the present-day framing segments were apparently tacked on at network request over Lucas’s objections, and he’s expunged them entirely from the home video releases. Not that Lucas didn’t have a point; the frame sequences had lower production values than the rest of the episodes and were generally rather extraneous. The only one I can think of that was really significant to the story was the one where Indy was reunited at the end with Jane Wyatt as the older version of Elizabeth Hurley’s character in the episode proper.
Count me as another Young Indy fan. The episodes set in revolutionary Russia, in Ireland, and on Broadway were especially good — oh, and the one with Picasso, Braque and Norman Rockwell. I have a bunch on VHS too that I haven’t watched in a long time.
Amusing article. You really need to rewatch Temple of Doom.
Doom is a prequel to Raiders, and it’s when Jones was a Belloq type scumbag out for fortune and glory (not to get artifacts for a museum). For example, he was trading the ashes of Nurhachi to Chinese gangsters in exchange for a diamond. But he also only sought the Siva Stones for personal profit. He changes his mind towards the end and becomes the loveable good Jones that we see in Raiders.
So that blows a hole through being a good archaeologist even relatively, and also changes the “success” percentage you calculated.
(Yes technically the footage of Jones as a young man in The Last Crusade shows him stealing the Cross of Coronado because he wants it in a museum, but this is actually a retcon of Doom. And Young Indy adventures don’t count)
“subterranean temples of blood-drinking cults (I mean, you know, Christian churches, but same diff.)” LOL . . . grape juice these days . . . had some yesterday . . . and will again next Sunday . . . real wine back then and still some places today, including Bolivia.
Archaeologist p-o-v interesting!
The scene when Indiana is explaining about the staff of Ra to the visitors is interesting–it’s obvious he could go on and on about it but Marcus stops him; we can see the enthusiasm for both info and field work aspects . . . but of course the info comes from the field work, yes?
And historical writings?
I’ve seen Raiders multiple times, but the next two only once, and Crystal Skulls never. Now I’m curious about Crystal Skulls but it sounds like something I should just wait to run across while channel surfing :).
Thank you for this.
@30: Why does it have to be a retcon? Human development doesn’t follow a mathematically perfect curve. Maybe Indy was more idealistic in his childhood, then grew cynical and became more of a self-absorbed fortune hunter in his early ’30s, but the events of Temple of Doom reawakened his altruistic side and made him the man he was in the first and third movies.
As for Young Indiana Jones, I recall one of the producers (Rick McCallum, maybe, but don’t hold me to that) suggesting recently that the movies were adventure fantasies based on the life of the “real” Indiana Jones whose adventures were depicted in Young Indy. Thus explaining why Young Indy was more naturalistic and the movies more fantasy-driven. (Akin to how the Real Ghostbusters cartoon explained the movie as a dramatization of the cartoon characters’ adventures.)
You can’t count [/i]Crystal Skull[/i], in any rational argument. It isn’t rational.
Jones fan here. I grew up watching Indy’s movies, and to date they are still one of my favorites. That being said, DO NOT WATCH CRYSTAL SKULL. I found the movie to be too ridiculous, yes even more ridiculous than using an inflatable raft as a parachute. As such I didn’t really enjoy it. If you do watch it, make sure to share your opinion with us :)
Talk about serendipity. Yesterday I started a fake research Tumblr and you’ve given me inspiration for a new entry:
@36 – Adapar, that’s joyous! Will it be cross-linked on arXiv? Or cross referenced with anything from Holmes, S.? <smiley></smiley>
@37 well I haven’t found anything yet but I have established that Jones used Holmes’ A Study of the Chaldean Roots in the Ancient Cornish Language as a textbook in his classes.
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The most amazing thing is that Holmes’ book is in Amazon; not available now though.
I hadn’t even thought to take a stand on Indy’s worth as an archaeologist.
Still, this piece is fascinating and I appreciate it very much. Thanks!
My husband, Jim, is an archeologist with the award-winning Office of Archeological Studies of the Museum of New Mexico.
How do he and his associates feel about Indie?
Well, they have a signed poster prominently displayed in their new building.
Like the writer of this piece, they see Indie maybe a bit behind the times, but very, very cool…
Ok, I just need to post this correction, since I’m a trivia nut and it bugs me slightly: it’s Wilhelmina “Willie” SCOTT, not Willie SMITH. I know, I know: big geek *points at self*.
But something else overlooked in the comments, which I even pointed out the other day to my girlfriend when rewatching Raiders, was that damned light activated spear trap! That has always rankled me, as I have no illusions that a pre-Columbian civilization would possibly be capable of that. I can see basic machine traps (pulleys, levers, inclined planes, etc.) because those have been around since antiquity, but if you break a beam of light it launches a gate of spears? Before 1835, when the first thermopile IR detector was created? Methinks not. I’d love to see one of those cutaway posters for the Temple of the Chachopyan Warriors which explains precisely how that trap is rigged.
As for his affairs with Students, he definitely can come off as sort of a letch in terms of his earlier behavior, but Spielberg specifically put the kibosh on his playboy/lothario persona that by excising the scene of him “entertianing a lady student” prior to Brody’s appearance at his home in Raiders, and making his reaction to the Eyeshadow Note of “(eye) Love You” stammering bewilderment. Something that the McSweeney’s article touches on though, was that it might be inferred that Marion was underage when she had her initial relationship with Jones. Which is something that never occurred to me. Could Jones be a Pedophile? I think that’s taking things too far, but it definitely seems like a holdover of the original persona. Maybe it’s just his youthful dalliances rearing it’s head.
All in all, whereas modern archaeology may rankle at Jones’ procedures and tactics, we have to remember that a) it is a fiction, and grid references and dust brushes make for lousy entertainment, and b) he was fighting fire with fire: If the Nazi’s are going to use “a bulldozer to find a china cup”, he’s going to run in there and grab the artifact bare handed as quick and dirty as possible. Let the rest of the archaeology sort itself out in the end… when he’s not being shot at.
And no Max, don’t watch the Crystal Skull if you can avoid it. I sure wish I could have…
@41, Marion was underage, but Jones was in college, so it’s not that extreme of an age diff, IMO.
@41: I’m trying to think of an explanation for the light trap, and I had the thought: Maybe the Hovitos just take shifts hiding behind the wall to guard the temple, and when they see someone pass through the beam of light, they pull a lever to fire the spears? ;)
Of course, the bigger problem with the light trap is that it’s apparently a sunbeam, so it would only work for certain hours of the day and certain days of the year, and only in clear weather.
As for Indy and Marion’s relationship while she was underage, it wasn’t explicitly described as a sexual relationship. We are talking about the 1920s, after all, and while that was a relatively libertine era compared to those around it, I think it would’ve still been fairly common for people to “save themselves for marriage” and pursue non-sexual romances that could last for years. And expressions of attraction between underage girls and adult men weren’t as stigmatized then as they are today. Consider the song “Thank Heaven for Little Girls.”
So it’s pretty ambiguous just what their relationship was, but — like Indy’s archaeological practices — it probably wouldn’t have been as scandalous by the standards of the time as it would seem to modern eyes.
Two thoughts:
First, whereas I quite like and agree with the premises of this essay, I have to think that Indy would have been regarded with great skepticism by “the greatest Egyptologist of this or any other century”, the esteemed Radcliffe Emerson (as created by Elizabeth Peters and described by Amelia Peabody Emerson). (And now I am tempted to wander over to AO3 and see if anyone has done that crossover.)
Second, the obvious follow-up to this essay is a discussion of how archaeology has(n’t) evolved from Indy’s day as reflected in the adventures of Sydney Fox of Relic Hunter, as played by Tia Carrere. (Surely someone’s done that crossover….)
@41: There’s a cutaway picture in Indiana Jones: The Ultimate Guide, but the only “explanation” it gives is “Shaft of Sunlight cannot be broken without activating spears from the crossbow.” It does seem as though there’s a crystal that intesifies the light. So maybe this is an area where the series benefits from Crystal Skull? The answer could be aliens. Unless they discovered some kind of substance on a plant or from an organism that goes towards the light, so when the light is broken, the thing has to move. I don’t know. I like the idea @43 that the Hovitos are just hiding in there, which is why they can show up so quickly when Indy gets out of the temple.
@45: I’ll have to go home and take a look at that cutaway, Crzydroid. I just remembered that I had that book…
@45, crzydroid, For You

Actually thinking about it, would it be possible that the beam of light generates heat that shrinks a vine and when the light is broken, it releases the vine? I know chemical/physical processes are not that quick, but looking for a fanw*nk that would answer the obvious issue here.
@48: Which still runs across the problem of the light source. If it’s sunlight, then the trap would be set off every day when the Sun goes down, or any time a cloud went over it. Not to mention that the Sun would only be in the right position to shine on the sensor for a few minutes per day on a specific day of the year, because it follows a different path through the sky every day.
So really, how breaking the light beam triggers the trap is the least problematical part of this. The steadiness of the light source itself is the far bigger problem.
it’s sad how this site has become a haven for christian bashing bloggers. i’m an athiest, and disbelieve in the christian god as much as any of these people, but jeez, a little restraint please. and before you shove the eucharist stuff in my face, you know the comment was meant pejoratively. it’s just sad, and detracts from an otherwise thoughtful and interesting blog.
It took me a minute to realize what you were talking about in relation to this post but I assume you mean the comment about blood drinking cults HAHA actually I meat Christians?
Yeah, I noticed it, rolled my eyes a bit and then basically just let it go. It’s a common enough barb that I doesn’t really register anymore (especially around Christmas, when fundamentalists start to trot out the ‘Catholics are actually Pagan’ stuff in effort to get people take down their Christmas Trees). Plus, I suppose from a certain point of view, it is a correct statement (although of course, in other ways, totally not). Perhaps a bit irreverant but not the worst I’ve seen.
Actually, what it made me think of was a church in Rome that sadly we did not get a chance to see on our vacation – but it’s basically built right on top of a Mithras temple you can go down and tour. We did get a chance to view the pagan necropolis under St. Peter’s though (well, there were a few Christian burials there as well, and also the grave of St. Peter), and that was pretty cool. But I think the influence other cultures/religions have on some Christian practices, and the common core of various belief systems, is very interesting and no way undermines my own faith.
Like all things on Tor, this thing came about by thinking about it too hard.
@51, I’m a Christian and I thought it was funny . . . but then again I’ve got a twisted (tho’ not irreligious) and silly (as opposed to goofy) sense of humor.
@53, yes, I also have a bit of a dark sense of humor myself, and also a slightly self deprecating one.
And @52, thinking too hard is what we do in these parts, haha.
@41 @42
I believe that was during the time Jones was collaborating heavily with Marion’s father. So they would have been thrown together a lot. I thought Jones implied Marion was mature for her age at the time.
JohnCBunnell @44
In my headcanon, one of Jones students before he retired was a much younger Sydney Fox, along with a british exchange student taking archaeology as an elective. One with a penchant for braids.
Ok, so here’s an idea: What if there is another crystal/mirror setup on the OTHER end of the beam, that bounces it back to the other side of the temple under the floor, and then there’s a setup that keeps sending the light back in a continuous circut? There may be some loss there, but maybe it can save at least some original sunlight when the sun is not in the right position.
@56: Light travels at, err, the speed of light. If the two crystals were, say, 10 meters apart, then the light bouncing back and forth between them would bounce 30 million times in one second. If there were even a 0.1 percent loss of light intensity on each single bounce, then you’d still lose all the light within 33 microseconds — far, far less than the blink of an eye.
Awww, dang. I don’t know then.
I enjoy Crystal Skull a lot, it’s way better than people say
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I have always loved Indy movies. I throughly enjoyed your comments here. Please take a moment to find out why George Lucas and Steven Speilberg choose the Crystal Skull script – I did and that is why I knew before I went that the movies were meant to resemble the one the creators enjoyed on Saturday morning as children. And why they used the Tarzan etc motif in the last movie because it more closely resembled the time frame. Or some such – or maybe they were bored! Either way they did all the movies for the same reason that we go to see them!–
– it’s fun.
As I recall, the dialogue on that was pretty creepy — the first suggestion was that they should have had an affair when Marion was eleven. ELEVEN. Then Lucas and Spielberg bat around other ages, talking all the time about how she should be young and promiscuous and come onto him, and … oh, hurl. “Fifteen is right on the edge. … Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting any more.”
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2009/03/raiders-story-conference.html
@61: Thanks for the story conference link — it’s fascinating. Apparently Lucas always intended Indy to be a rogue archaeologist:
So I guess the idea is that he would be to regular archaeologists what Sam Spade is to the police, a disreputable guy operating on the margins. That didn’t really come through in the final films, but I guess it explains why he’s going after these mythical objects that reputable archaeologists wouldn’t believe existed. Anyway, it’s fascinating to see that Lucas had already thought through all these issues before he even made the movie.
And I’m totally loving the idea of Peter Falk as Indiana Jones. “Uh, there’s just one more thing that bothers me, Major Toht…”
@annathepiper if you read the Trivia for Raiders on imdb, you’ll find out that when Marcus comes to Indy’s place to tell him he has landed the job of a Government sanctioned hunt for the Ark, that he is in his dressing gown because he was ‘entertaining’ a young lady, most likely the scenario you’re referring to from the novelisation, so it almost made it to the film, but Spielberg didn’t want Indy to come across as a serial man whore and cut her out.
“This is especially not what the classroom of a bad teacher in 1936 looks like—look at that gender balance. Jones, who we’re led to believe works at an old-money institution*, if not an Ivy than a near-Ivy, has a classroom of at least two-thirds women.”
I don’t know much about the composition of university classes in 1936, but I will point out that at my university (which is liberal enough to have admitted women since the 19th century), in the late 1990’s, archaeology was predominantly a female department.
I never took any class which had as many as 50% men, and there was at least one class where I was the *only* man.
That’s not to say anything for (or against) his teaching skills, but just that 2/3rds women in an archaeology class does not surprise me at all.